Would you like more lgbt representation in digimon?

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Aha well any boy would blush if they had to wear a ribbon cause it's embarrassing. And Haru calling him "my Yuujin" could just mean MY best friend. Didn't Naruto say my Sasuke too at some point..
I'm not trying to disprove the pairing, just trying to say it takes more than that to convince me XD

I'm fully aware what a fujoshi is lol People can write me a 50 pages essay on why they are canon but it's still just fan opinions until it's super clear in the show or the show's director says so or something. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Takato x Juri is not canon YET. They only become a thing in the future, according to the recent Tamers drama.
i'm not only talking about the fujoshis but also fujobait shows, the meaning is basically a show that gives ''ideas'' to fujoshi for selling but also not make it full canon to not scare the normal audience
konaka takato and juri are engaged in the drama cd so it's pretty canon, also while not exactly canon in the show itself takato flat out confessed to juri(he was unfortunate since it was the d-reaper clone.) and juri hugged him when he rescues her, so it's not just a friendship

i could understand if he said my best friend, but my yuujin sounds too possessive to me, like they could make him say the yuujin i know or my best friend but this kind of phrasing it is kinda like trying to give fujoshi ideas to me at least
 

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I get you, but Digimon as a whole is not targeted at older women, it is targeted at children, mostly boys. (excluding Tri maybe) so I can't see them putting fujoshi bait on purpose. Boys having close friendship with their friend is seen a lot in shounen. It's nothing special. Fans choose to see it as bait. If you watch a show with fujoshi-glasses, of course you're going to see romance and gay stuff everywhere. All I see is pretty innocent stuff between children.
 

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I get you, but Digimon as a whole is not targeted at older women, it is targeted at children, mostly boys. (excluding Tri maybe) so I can't see them putting fujoshi bait on purpose. Boys having close friendship with their friend is seen a lot in shounen. It's nothing special. Fans choose to see it as bait. If you watch a show with fujoshi-glasses, of course you're going to see romance and gay stuff everywhere. All I see is pretty innocent stuff between children.
If i'm not wrong, appmon had a lot of female watchers so that might be a reason(i remember seeing the statistics.)
digimon is not aimed at older men either, yet we have digimon like mervamon and venusmon who are pretty much targeted at fanservice for older males
i also heard fujoshi are more likely to buy the merchandise than older fans so there is that

well i believe they deliberately wanted it to be romance-like if even a voice actress of the cast noticed it,some parallels have been made with takato-juri, ai as the love interest or as a character is forgotten,haru being posessive etc. but everyone has their own interpretations
 

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I would like to see it, but only if it's written well. It's very easy to screw up an LGBT character and make their sexuality a footnote, too defining, or treat it negatively as a joke or fetish/perversion, and I'd prefer Digimon not fall into those same traps just for the sake of having a character like that. If they are going to do it, I'd like for them to be balanced as a character both in terms of themselves and the story.

Now, to Digimon's credit, it hasn't done too badly with the characters it's had. Of the examples listed*, Fei was pretty good in my opinion since her attraction to girls is never shown to be negative and it's not the sole defining trait of hers. Even when they teased her about it, they still had the scene end with Yuuko considering Fei precious to her and Fei expressing happiness to it, so it's given a good amount of weight and isn't denounced in any sense. Yu is a mixed example, his feelings aren't exactly denounced in and of themselves, but they do get exaggerated into Yandere territory due to Matadormon and that's what we mostly see of his affections, thus it's kind of a strange case since the story doesn't frame it the best and it's not really given a lot of weight outside of it. So while Digimon has shown they can do it, they'd just need to take more inspiration from how they treated Fei then Yu since that character was more balanced overall.

*As for the other examples, I don't really count them since they can either be associated with other tropes (Lordknightmon), interpreted in another way (HaruxYuujin), or it's implied at best and the character in question isn't the most developed to derive if there's any truth to it either way (Gaomon). It's either too ambiguous or kind of a reach due to how the characters are written, and that makes them a harder sell when examples like the above mentioned Fei and Yu exist.
 
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Digimon's already touched upon, as started before, abuse, divorce, insecurity, and feeling like you need to change who you are just to gain acceptance. I think digimon could do it right even if if they did have a character say it in passing conversation
That's all nice and good but (besides "touched upon" in this case translating more to "haphazardly tickled the surface with a Q-Tip") very similar lists could be compiled for many other shounen series and I mostly just can't take the idea of Digimon being any sort of thematic vanguard seriously, except in the very narrow sense of maybe having lowered the demographic a bit (but that doesn't make the themes themselves any less pre-established).
The point being that, even among anime and manga that have a great deal more to say about the tribulations of childhood than digimon, "dealing with sexual orientation" is really rare. Even "ordinary" straight sexuality is more often crystallized into outlandish stereotypes rather than being treated with any kind of depth, which makes me doubt that it would be any better in the case of orientations that screenwriters are less familiar with.
Maybe it'll work out someday and after the topic actually has had an established role in the medium for a while, some watered down subplot about it might trickle down into a Digimon story in any significant way.

Well we have the two recent video games for that, which is for adults.
You mean aimed at approximately 15 year olds (and no, this statement won't be recanted in the face of any list of supposedly "edgy" content the games contain).
 
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You guys are aware that homosexuality is actually quite present in Japanese media, right? They do have a weird relationship with sexuality in general. Yet, me and a lot of other LGBT folk I know had their first run-in with the topic (sometimes leading to those realizations) due to anime and manga. Look at Sailor Moon, look at so many other shows. Japan has not that many problems with this stuff. They just tend to leave it very open and out there, if it is not outright Bara, Yuri or Yaoi.
 

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Just because LGBT+ content is more common in Japanese mainstream media than here in the west, it doesn't mean it isn't often homophobic/transphobic. It doesn't change the fact that queerbaiting and fetishization of LGBT+ people is a common issue. It doesn't mean that homophobia/transphobia don't exist in Japan.

Straights liking gay porn isn't supporting LGBT+ people, it's fetishization. Shows only hinting at characters being gay but never stating where they are or not isn't representation, it's either intentional queerbaiting or producers being afraid of getting angry letters from homophobic parents wanting to avoid having to deal with that. And just because there is a character who is a canon gay it doesn't inhenrently mean they're portrayed in a good, in-offensive way.


BTW can we not compare being gay to "dark, mature topics" like dealing with your parents' divorce? Like sure dealing with homophobia/transphobia is traumatizing and dark, but being gay isn't a mature topic. My existence isn't "too mature for kids".
 

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It'd be nice but with Japan, we're not getting it for years. There'll just be maybes like Harujin from Appmon and Tai/Matt from the first set of Tri eps. Sure there's actual genres for it but I'd say the US is more phobic then Japan. ...But let's not say anything else about that.
 

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I'd say the US is more phobic then Japan. ...But let's not say anything else about that.
While I can't speak for Japan knowing nothing about LGBT culture there, I'd say from observation that the US has become much more accepting in recent years. Certain other parts of the world are far more phobic than either.

Last year's Power Rangers movie for example had a cast member interview that revealed one of the Rangers to be gay. The media made a huge fuss over it, and then certain countries gave it a mature rating. All for what amounted to little more than a vague line of dialogue.
 

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This will be an unpopular opinion, so I'll mention from the outset that I have no ill will against anybody. This is simply my opinion. I'm generally opposed to fan service and fetishes in media, straight or gay. I'd personally prefer if they didn't feature explicitly homosexual relationships in media for general audiences. Naturally, the company can do whatever they want, and that sort of individual opinion doesn't mean much if they think it'll sell. But since you asked. *shrugs* I'm not convinced it would sell any better than what they've been putting out, anyhow. It runs the risk of alienating a portion of their audience over another, so it really depends on if the anticipated benefits outweigh that risk. Personally I think it's silly to demand "representation" of any kind in a given media. (I mean, I'm part of a comparatively unique religion that, despite not being featured in most major media, manages to enjoy that major media just fine.) If we're basing the value of a given story on whether it features a certain kind of person (of any stripe), then we're leaning our ladder against the wrong wall. Ultimately, what matters is whether the story and characters are interesting.

Slight tangent: despite my feelings about having homosexual relationships portrayed in media, I really like Steven Universe. I object to the message I see it sending out regarding that subject, but I freely admit that the setting and lore behind those relationships works well for that story. It is highly enjoyable and well-made. Doesn't change my feelings about the subject matter, but if you can get me to wait impatiently for the next bit of the story despite those objections, you've done something amazing.
 
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I was under the impression Juri was waiting for Takato to come home from his inability to stay in Japan, not that there was any actual commitment between them.
 

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Didn't Takato disappear as a 13 year old lol? She's been waiting a long time
 

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Didn't Takato disappear as a 13 year old lol? She's been waiting a long time
i saw a translation of konaka's tweets and it seems takato didn't disappear in 2003 but 2017
 

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Didn't Takato disappear as a 13 year old lol? She's been waiting a long time
i saw a translation of konaka's tweets and it seems takato didn't disappear in 2003 but 2017
I'm not sure why anyone would be confused by this. We're told in the story that 'adult' Takato disappeared 'last' year by 2018 Yamaki.


And Konaka's notes (translated by onkei) do specifically note that Takato and Juri of 2018 were engaged (Takato vanishing notwithstanding.)
 

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If I recall correctly, the clone was made using Takato's data from the Digital World, and the last time he'd interacted with the Digital World was as a kid.
 

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Then why is his clone so young?
The exact explanation goes:

YAMAKI: Hmm… I suppose there’s no other way to interpret this than that this form had the highest bio-parameters in the digital world. The Re-Animator could only scan your information from the year 2003.
I'm not sure if that means that takato actually interfaced with the digital world at that age (the prologue at least implies that he didn't) or if that simply was the point after which puberty hit him hard enough for the digital to no longer be able to recognize his body as being the same "Takato" who entered the Digital World back in 2001.
The way Yamaki himself is only speculating about this I assume that the matter is left vague on purpose, something to be explored later on in the story.
 
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btw this is off topic but shouldn't the tamers be 27 in 2018 instead of 28? since they were listed as 10 in 2001
 

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Does anyone know if that drama CD was translated anywhere?
 
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