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Scanning is going well.

I'm probably a quarter way through thus far.

No issues with the scanner.


Editing will be done once I can do it. Hopefully over the next few days.


I still need to figure out what to do about all the different Appmon CDs coming out next month. I don't even have any on order as the number is quite high. If anyone is willing to donate for that, it'd be very helpful.
 

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Editing is going rather well to be honest.

Just trying to get it done so I can work on the article.

Once editing is done there is other stuff to do for the article, but it's all coming along.
 

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Small sample of the 100% size of one of the edited images.


At some point I hope to get a new descreen filter to hopefully increase the image quality, but the current one works well.


While editing I'm watching some Game Grumps compilations, contemplatingthe best NES setup I can think of and if I can make that happen costwise, and getting ready to take a break for awhile.


We're also getting some bits of the gallery finalized so that can hopefully be done asap, as I talk to a few people about how we will take care of tagging images to make them easily searchable in the gallery.


And also amused at a Digimon site not only not crediting us for news and information, they are using our images... so they have the unique crops and even occasionally filenames of the versions on the WtW server.
 

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Small sample of the 100% size of one of the edited images.


At some point I hope to get a new descreen filter to hopefully increase the image quality, but the current one works well.


While editing I'm watching some Game Grumps compilations, contemplatingthe best NES setup I can think of and if I can make that happen costwise, and getting ready to take a break for awhile.


We're also getting some bits of the gallery finalized so that can hopefully be done asap, as I talk to a few people about how we will take care of tagging images to make them easily searchable in the gallery.


And also amused at a Digimon site not only not crediting us for news and information, they are using our images... so they have the unique crops and even occasionally filenames of the versions on the WtW server.
now that's just rude :/. people like to just grab stuff from others without credit >.>
 

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Been writing up the article after finishing everything, but just to tired to finish it at the moment.

It'll go up after sleep.

These articles tend to be long, so I was writing it in Notepad++, based on what I had written for tri. parts 1 and 2. I've marked where I left off and it shouldn't take to long to finish once I have some sleep.
 

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I'm testing some new filters to see what I can do to improve scans even further.


This is my first test.

I redid all the editing and color levels, so colors are a bit different (I didn't dial in the levels as good as I normally do on final scans since this is just a test.)


Would appreciate any thoughts.



Here is the original.
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That's what I did when the BD came out.




Here is the test with the new filter setup.
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That's my first try on the trial of it. It's not a cheap filter, and I'm currently trialing various filters to see what I can improve.
 

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A second test.


The original
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New filtering test
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Some further scan tests based on being asked about my processes and if getting new filters would noticeably increase scan quality at all.

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The top is full size but jpged since it was so large.

The bottom is shrunk down to roughly the same size I upload in



Left is with no filtering. Middle is with descreening using an older filter a friend bought me awhile ago. Right is tweaking the trial filter to attempt to denoise issues from the descreening.



The image is Patamon cropped out of the cover to tri. part 3 (with the slipcover on, since the plastic slightly tweaks the scan quality, so I like using it because it looks a bit worse.)
 

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Shouldn't be super hard to guess what I'm working on.


I'll likely use the new trial filter on this, but due to lack of cash I'm unlikely to purchase it for now when the trial runs out.
 

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Another update on my reading list since a few people asked.

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Comics, Manga, Books, and Audiobooks are included.

All stuff I plan to read/listen to relatively soon (or may have finished and plan to do again, or possibly in the middle of.)


Doesn't mean that I won't read other stuff, but yeah, this is what's on the list currently.


Feel free to ask any questions (or suggest anything if you'd like.)
 

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There were no real issues with the most recent batch of CD scans, in fact, it went rather well.

Digimon Adventure tri. Character Song Album- Chosen Children (LE) Scan/Breakdown Thread
Digimon Adventure tri. Character Song Album- Digimon (LE) Scan/Breakdown Thread

But....
The booklet with the autographs/comments either had weird paper or was bound oddly (maybe both, it felt a bit odd to my hands) which caused some bleeding through of the material on the opposite side of the paper. This was true of that booklet from 'both' albums.


An example:

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Left is the raw scan, shrunken down and JPG compressed. Right is the final edit, shrunken down and JPG compressed.

Cropped out the other page from both for the example.





Also, for those interested, the scan/breakdown folder with all the files I used for the 2 Digimon Adventure tri. Character Song Album ended up as such at the end of working with everything...
61.7 GB in 169 files



I expect more materials to scan/breakdown/archive will be arriving in the next few days.


The donations are appreciated if you can spare anything.

I still hope we will get some extra donations so I can get new filtering software which based on early tests on a trial significantly improved the final image quality (some of those tests can be seen on the prior page of this thread.)
 

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Bouncing a number of things at the moment that should bear fruit within the next week or two for everyone.


Nabbed a few cheap Ninja Turtles comics to decompress, as the last week has been insanely stressful, and I don't expect anything resembling even a minor break until 'maybe' the middle of next week based on what I can pre-prepare.



I expect on the live podcast on Saturday I'll at least bring up a few of the items, even if they won't show up on the site until a few days after that, so if you like to know some of the goodies that might show up for you guys, I'd suggest showing up for that.
 

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Played an hour or two of KC Munchkin earlier today, along with a handful of different versions of Donkey Kong Jr.


Tons of site stuff in the last month or so, doing my best to make sure I spend time to relax so that the site stuff and real life don't just crush me.
 

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A bit of a teaser for what I'm working on.

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Planned for Tuesday or Wednesday.


Pictures are generally done for it though.
 

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Heyo, back posting some behind the scenes stuff here after awhile.


Teases and that sort of thing have generally gone to our Patreon members in the WtW Discord, and some of them know I've been working on this.

I've been working on a number of processes to do advanced denoising of scans in the future, since the handful of better denoisers are:
A- Expensive
B- Time consuming.


I've dialed in a few different things that let me come up with my own solution to potentially use on future scans, and thought I'd let people preview it, and give their thoughts.


I would recommend clicking each image so you can see it full-size and properly compare.


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First up, an ancient scan. This is a scan from shortly after I first took over WtW on the left.

The differences here are rather striking, with the denoising blending the colors in a really impressive way, and at a glance, it appears no actual detail has been lost.


I took the jpg, did the new process to it, and ended up with the right image. I then jpg compressed that, and put them both on a lossless PNG for you to compare.

In fact, all of the images were done that way. They were all done off 'final' already compressed images, which is kind of a 'worst case' scenario for doing this kind of work.




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This one is from the tri. Part 5 BD booklet. The scans on this gave me problems in general due to having a new replacement scanner at the time.

The results look pretty good, although a decent chunk of 'noise' in areas like her hair ended up with a slightly smudgy almost 'pudding' look to it. This look is generally always there when something is denoised and the color isn't super consistent, it's just a matter of how noticeable it is, and on Hikari it's noticeable.

This is likely a side effect of how 'large' I put scans up, and without simply shrinking scans, would likely hit this type of wall.

It's also possible that's a side effect of the paper, as if you look carefully, you can actually see a similiar effect under the noise on the top part of the comparison.




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Kouichi from the new Frontier Blu-ray box. This feels like a great example of the noise on the scan being smoothed out very well.




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Haru and his Applidrive Duo ends up being a bit more questionable.

The middle is the original finished scan, the right is using the same level of processing as the other comparisons, while the left is me pulling back a touch.


Likely due to the the actual quality of the print, Haru when he's cleaned up appears a bit overly artificial and smudgy. A few places in his hair where the lines weren't necessarily as defined in the print as they could have been come out a bit weird looking. They were weird looking in the original scan, but the high level of noise ends up hiding it.

The CGI Applidrive tends to have the same issue, the actual linework on the scanned image wasn't always defined well and the noise covered up issues. As an example, the 'G' in Gatchmon in the original scan isn't actually fully readable as a G due to some of the visual effects on the nameplate, but the noise muddies that a bit, and once it's cleaned up, it becomes more obvious.

Overall it's probably improved with the noise removal, but that does add in some things.




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An old card scan of Lowemon.

Overall it worked well in removing the noise, but in various places, especially in regards to card elements like the various pattern overlays, which look more random in general, it feels like their texture is reduced or missing. Some of the text also has a smudgy and muddy quality to it.

This is much lower resolution and done with different processes than we have now (the actual scan was done by rian as I recall, using the processes the site used for scanning at the time), which may account for some oddities, and may not even apply if I had a card on hand to scan and test with.





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This last one I've used before, but I updated it.

This is one of the raw scans from tri. Part 3, shrunk to roughly the size I finalize edits at.


The first is the raw.
The second is after descreening.
The third was the advanced denoiser I had a trial for a few years ago, as mentioned above. Denoising is always done 'after' descreening.
The fourth is using the new process to denoise.


The new one compared very favorably with the old test, it looks less blurred overall, and the purposeful 'smudgy background' is intact and looks good. A few places it appears to be less blended than in the prior test (most notably there are some visible diagonal lines in the grey block to the right of Patamon's wing.)

The process seemed to make one bit that wasn't cleaned up in the original scan far more noticeable though, a little dot a bit above where Patamon's leg connects to his body. The denoising made that stand out so much, I thought my monitor had a small crack on it in fact.





The processes, software, etc. used on various site elements are always in flux, with us looking for improvements, changes, etc.

I'm leaning heavily to using this process (or at least variants of it) on future scans, and any input or thoughts would be appreciated.



Supporting us via our Patreon or donations always helps if you can.
 

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I had been asked about the editing I had done on the card set from Digimonukkah 2019 Day 8.



Both images were finalized as JPGs, but the comparison is a PNG so there isn't any additional compression on them.


This is roughly identical to what I posted on social media about it.

The image is a crop from one of them & shrunk down for ease of looking at them. Shrinking down tends to get rid of some noise, so that won't be as obvious as level tweaking. Original is left, final is right.

The 'original' unfixed one already has editing done to it, that's simply what the 'final' would have been had I decided not to tweak the levels to account for the material of the card not being scanning friendly.
 

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Using denoising occasionally on images. Promotional images I tend to leave alone.

Did a test on one of the 'animate' shikishi Kizuna images.

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The top is the original source image, the bottom is after doing some denoising on it. (Click the image to see the full size)

Really happy with how it turned out, and plan to continue to use it as appropriate.
 
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