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...Well I have that idea for a series(one of them) where I used the 7 Demon Lords which had Demi Devimon and Black Gatomon/Salamon as partners. They forgot their memories. And the humans were basically Goth-lite TK/Kari.
 

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...Well I have that idea for a series(one of them) where I used the 7 Demon Lords which had Demi Devimon and Black Gatomon/Salamon as partners. They forgot their memories. And the humans were basically Goth-lite TK/Kari.
So a Digimon AU Adventure? Gives me serious Undertale vibes.
 

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Of all the relationships Jeri and Takato have in Tamers, the least important is the one they share with each other.

2018´ s Tamers CD drama was awful (not completely sure if this works as a unpopular opinion, but I´ ll post it case nostalgia)
It was... I want to describe it as a pastiche of Tamers. Lots of surface-level elements are the same: Yamaki runs a spooky government web agency named for a Greek divinity with dark associations, the villain is something eldritch born from human tech with an ally stuck on the inside (indeed basically just something else to put in a D-Reaper-shaped narrative hole), the series is presented as an alternate history and name-drops real life events frequently. Second Verse, Same as the First.

The only really *new* things are Ruki riding motorbikes and Takato getting a taste for world-travel (which IIRC sounded suspiciously close to Takato trying to ward off depressive tendencies from Gilmon-separation anxiety, so that may be poisoned, too). The Takato we actually get being not-Takato is just shallow subversiveness for its own sake.

What were your issues with it, specifically?

I don't like GrapLeomon. Frankly, I personally find the mecha genre to be relatively dull, and the machine theme honestly just does not suit Leomon, a proud sword-wielding beast warrior, very well, and I'm tired of GrapLeomon getting all of the attention and preference over IceLeomon, and despite the latter being an ice-attribute recolor, I find it to be a significantly better, suitable, and more interesting Digimon, while still being a proud sword-wielding beast warrior. IMO, GrapLeomon's turbines are just...dumb.
Ah, but how do you feel about mechanized mixed martial artists from anime-style fighting games? GrappLeomon would fit right in BlazBlue or Guilty Gear.

I don't mind him myself, but I dislike the lack of design jive between him and SaberLeomon. (GrappLeomon and SaberLeomon were both part of the same Tamers-era line in the spinoff v-pets). Marsmon and BanchouLeomon make better choices for a fighting-influenced Leomon mega. (Admittedly neither of them existed at the time, so there wasn't much choice in that regard).

Honestly I'm not really sure why Adventure was so adverse to Virus attribute partners, or even just having friendly wild Virus Digimon. The only ones I can think of are the Otamamon and Gekomon Mimi met. It's not like any other part of the franchise was like this around the same time,. Heck, if I've learned anything it's that Digimon fans tend to LOVE the Virus attribute. So yeah, I would have loved to see PicoDevimon as a partner.
A lot of virus-attributes are spooky and monstrous and so lend themselves to being conventionally villainous more than vaccine- and data-attributes did. (Heck, even the name "virus" implicitly categorizes them as bad). Adventure being a morally-minded show, it probably lacked any interest in using the virus-attribute unconventionally.
 
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Of all the relationships Jeri and Takato have in Tamers, the least important is the one they share with each other.

2018´ s Tamers CD drama was awful (not completely sure if this works as a unpopular opinion, but I´ ll post it case nostalgia)
It was... I want to describe it as a pastiche of Tamers. Lots of surface-level elements are the same: Yamaki runs a spooky government web agency named for a Greek divinity with dark associations, the villain is an something eldritch born from human tech with an ally stuck on the inside (indeed basically just something else to put in a D-Reaper-shaped narrative hole), the series is presented as an alternate history and name-drops real life events frequently. Second Verse, Same as the First.

The only really *new* things are Ruki riding motorbikes and Takato getting a taste for world-travel (which IIRC sounded suspiciously close to Takato trying to ward off depressive tendencies from Gilmon-separation anxiety, so that may be poisoned, too). The Takato we actually get being not-Takato is just shallow subversiveness for its own sake.

What were your issues with it, specifically?
Ok nice one, kinda disagree to a degree but understand in another (good unpopular statement :)), like for instance, when they return to the real world, one wouldnt have that amazing contrast between Takato and Agent if Jeri was physically there, for instance, the relationship isnt the direct focus, but rather the "compassion" thats shown, examples being Jeri sparing Beelzemon and Takato having to allow her to be his moral compass in that decision and I can respect that, Tamers did what few digimon seasons do, by doing more often than not a better work out of their side characters, than other seasons, because the characters serve to highlight and demonstrate the "compassion" of the mains, without becoming burdens, despite being weaker than the mains as a whole.

That said, it´ s likely they (or at least Jeri) had devellopped sort of "pink friendship" going on around the time of the 2003 CD Drama, since there werent other things in the way and Takato already had confessed to "like" her in the anime, it wasnt the typical friendship kind of compassion he shared alongside the other characters, case both had a bit of lone moments together and all that (but then again since we got the Runaway Locomon Movie I dont know what to say if anyone brings that one up).


This is why I dont get why he would leave her and the rest of his friends in the 2018 CD drama, it just feels weird and out of Character, he´ s not like Masaru (Matt Daemon), it doesnt make sense, it sounds almost as if there´ s a purposed intent in "improving" (or regressing if he´ s doing it for the wrong reasons like depression) Future Takato by timeskipping the future him to such a point and thats just awful, in any potential sequel case it just means we could well get a future hot blooded dumb, protag in any tamers sequel that could come about if the premise from 2018 is followed. Takato isnt the type of character to do this, sequel timeskip or not, one would at least expect him to remain in contact with one or two few characters in the series it´ s not normal and it could very well be a increased protag change, like Taichi´ s in tri (being more aware of collateral damage), except his at least made sense, Takato´ s doesnt (this is why I hate time travel plots, character consistency can easily be thrown away for the time gimmick and I´ ve seen better executed time travel plots, it´ s not easy to execute well).

That said I like Malevolence bot´ s initial approach with a soundwave attack, is interesting, D-reaper was more of a "setup", first with the zone, then it keeps expanding and while thats going on It keeps mass producing a army to wage war on the humans before covering the whole planet (and this was all pre-evolution, after that it´ s plans drastically changed to playing defensive), Malevolence bot, showcases a different more destructive right off the bat approach, but thats about it, not much can be done with it in a CD Drama and the timeskip is too big to make it a good sequel, if it gets something like tri treatment.

And lastly, I dont know about you guys, but if Tamers should ever get aditional material, the focus should be more placed on characters who still have potential in them (like Jeri) or just telling stories in the digital world of certain characters (like Ryo (which wouldnt even be a big deal consideering Runaway Locomon movie put him back where he started in the digital world)), but characters like Ruki, Jian and Takato for as much as I liked them during Tamers, all I can say now is that their journeys ended, their invasion of D-Reaper and Jeri´ s rescue were the peak of their characters nothing can topple that, but I like the idea of knowing what Ruki´ s future job was at the very least.
 
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Unpopular Opinion the Second: Tamers has the worst ending in all of Digimon anime.
  • Losing the digimon is pointless and self-indulgently subversive, accomplishing nothing but punishing anyone in the audience who wanted a well-deserved happy ending. This is some Ocarina of Time-level bull-hockey.
  • The immediate return to normalcy after the D-Reaper is cheap, and a huge blow to the respectability of the show that made such a huge deal about Vikaralamon trashing the city.
  • That the tamers only object to losing their digimon but do not panic at or even consider the thought of abandoning their helpless toddler digimon in a lawless warzone filled with barbarian cannibals -- which is exactly what the digital world is -- is thoughtless.
  • The idea that the widely established competency of the adults in Tamers (which is only slightly less soft on the ol' Mohs scale than Adventure) could not immediately whip up some IT-voodoo to pull the heroes of the world back to safety is ludicrous.
  • Callously ripping the digimon from the tamers who love them is almost certain to damage the more emotionally frail members of the team, like Ruki (already fatherless), Shao, Ai, and Makoto (all three small children).

Say what you will about Runaway Digimon Express, but it sure as Hell didn't waste time bandying about with this indefinite separation trash. Anyway, back to what NTD and I were talking about.

I say Takato and Juri's relationship is unimportant because it only matters in one specific way -- it's a stepping stone for Juri to enter into the tamers' inner circle and get involved with digimon. Once she's got her foot in the door, she's off and running -- mostly after Leomon. Outside of that, Juri gets more substantial relationships with Leomon and Impmon (who was robbed). For Takato, she's mostly relevant a narrative or character device -- Takato likes her and wants to impress her -- and kind of redundant after Hirokazu and Kenta, whom Takato also wants to impress.

Their relationship never really goes anywhere -- they like each other at the start and they like each other at the end. There's no actual development between them and at least two major false starts squander any potential they had: Juri's dismay and fear when Takato summons Megidramon never gets followed up on, and Takato escorting Juri home on the subway train doesn't accomplish anything for fairly obvious reasons.

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Compare Takato's relationship with, oh, Ruki, which does grow -- from a one-sided enmity (Ruki siccing Renamon on Guilmon), to a begrudging association (Ruki following the boys into the tunnel while under a common threat), to a rough alliance and eventually willing teammates (the deva arc), to sincere and concerned friends (see Ruki being worried about Takato during Dukemon's premiere fight and Takato admitting he covered for her to keep her family's spirits up afterwards), to straight up comrades in arms (see when Ruki and Kyuubimon barely manage to catch the ark home and find Takato waiting outside for them). The sheer magnitude of *that* relationship's transformation leaves whatever the hell Takato and Juri have lying in the dust.

This is why I don't get why he would leave her and the rest of his friends in the 2018 CD drama, it just feels weird and out of Character
It seemed uncharacteristically angsty to me, but maybe it was just a quirk of translation. I can see Takato -- the artist -- getting a bug to see the world, but associating it with Guilmon-angst is just bad melodrama.

And lastly, I dont know about you guys, but if Tamers should ever get aditional material, the focus should be more placed on characters who still have potential in them (like Jeri) or just telling stories in the digital world of certain characters (like Ryo (which wouldnt even be a big deal consideering Runaway Locomon movie put him back where he started in the digital world)), but characters like Ruki, Jian and Takato for as much as I liked them during Tamers, all I can say now is that their journeys ended, their invasion of D-Reaper and Jeri´ s rescue were the peak of their characters nothing can topple that, but I like the idea of knowing what Ruki´ s future job was at the very least.
While their original stories are settled, there are still more stories you could tell about Takato, Jian, and Ruki, but focus on the other characters would be well-warranted. I would focus on Ryo and Alice, whose stories have mythological implications (and Ryo's Tamers-backstory really needs to be punted. What a terrible idea that was).
 
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Heck, if I've learned anything it's that Digimon fans tend to LOVE the Virus attribute. So yeah, I would have loved to see PicoDevimon as a partner.
Overall, I'd say that Data's my favorite attribute, mostly by virtue of having some of my all-time favorite Digimon (Plesiomon and Renamon, to name a couple), but Virus is pretty good too. Even if it's WAY too overrun with demons, undeads, and other Nightmare Soldiers, it still manages to strike a nice variety in designs, even among the aforementioned demons (I recall someone pointed out, might've been earlier in this thread, that the Seven Demon Lords showcase better variety than the Royal Knights, this being despite all the Demon Lords being Viruses while the Royal Knights are a mixture of all three main attributes, and even one Free). Most may not agree with this, but even the black recolors look pretty nice IMO, including things like the somewhat redundant ChaosDukemon, which I think looks pretty snazzy with his indigo coloration (and of course, who can forget about the original MetalGreymon?). And despite the attribute's generally bad reputation (including several profiles outright stating the wicked nature of such Digimon), I find it actually makes them all the more intriguing to showcase them in a positive light that goes against that.

Vaccine, however, I find to be my least favorite of the attributes (not counting the still pretty limited Free, and the others if you count them separately). Just seems so dull, like so many of the Digimon within the group were created with being designated protagonists in mind (this seems all the more true after the anime started airing), and angelic Digimon somehow manage to feel even more samey in designs than demons. You do occasionally have rampaging beasts that go against the common good guy portrayal, but even they can be pretty redundant when the profile almost always boils down to Virus-murdering extremism (and portrayals of Vaccines as genuine villains are very few and far between). Mind you, there are plenty of Vaccines that I like (and despite what I said about the Virus-murdering extremists, they at least provide SOME variety), but it's the general portrayal of the attribute, this overriding sense of "We're the good guys just because" that bugs me most of all. Though I will say, I did like how the card game gave Ogudomon the Vaccine attribute (it actually kinda fits its profile, which states that it's capable of atoning for all the sins it represents). Was a pretty interesting concept, and it's a shame that they didn't continue through with that.
 

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Unpopular Opinion the Second: Tamers has the worst ending in all of Digimon anime.
  • Losing the digimon is pointless and self-indulgently subversive, accomplishing nothing but punishing anyone in the audience who wanted a well-deserved happy ending. This is some Ocarina of Time-level bull-hockey.
  • The immediate return to normalcy after the D-Reaper is cheap, and a huge blow to the respectability of the show that made such a huge deal about Vikaralamon trashing the city.
  • That the tamers only object to losing their digimon but do not panic at or even consider the thought of abandoning their helpless toddler digimon in a lawless warzone filled with barbarian cannibals -- which is exactly what the digital world is -- is thoughtless.
  • The idea that the widely established competency of the adults in Tamers (which is only slightly less soft on the ol' Mohs scale than Adventure) could not immediately whip up some IT-voodoo to pull the heroes of the world back to safety is ludicrous.
  • Callously ripping the digimon from the tamers who love them is almost certain to damage the more emotionally frail members of the team, like Ruki (already fatherless), Shao, Ai, and Makoto (all three small children).

Say what you will about Runaway Digimon Express, but it sure as Hell didn't waste time bandying about with this indefinite separation trash. Anyway, back to what NTD and I were talking about.

I say Takato and Juri's relationship is unimportant because it only matters in one specific way -- it's a stepping stone for Juri to enter into the tamers' inner circle and get involved with digimon. Once she's got her foot in the door, she's off and running -- mostly after Leomon. Outside of that, Juri gets more substantial relationships with Leomon and Impmon (who was robbed). For Takato, she's mostly relevant a narrative or character device -- Takato likes her and wants to impress her -- and kind of redundant after Hirokazu and Kenta, whom Takato also wants to impress.

Their relationship never really goes anywhere -- they like each other at the start and they like each other at the end. There's no actual development between them and at least two major false starts squander any potential they had: Juri's dismay and fear when Takato summons Megidramon never gets followed up on, and Takato escorting Juri home on the subway train doesn't accomplish anything for fairly obvious reasons.

Sidebar:
Compare Takato's relationship with, oh, Ruki, which does grow -- from a one-sided enmity (Ruki siccing Renamon on Guilmon), to a begrudging association (Ruki following the boys into the tunnel while under a common threat), to a rough alliance and eventually willing teammates (the deva arc), to sincere and concerned friends (see Ruki being worried about Takato during Dukemon's premiere fight and Takato admitting he covered for her to keep her family's spirits up afterwards), to straight up comrades in arms (see when Ruki and Kyuubimon barely manage to catch the ark home and find Takato waiting outside for them). The sheer magnitude of *that* relationship's transformation leaves whatever the hell Takato and Juri have lying in the dust.

This is why I don't get why he would leave her and the rest of his friends in the 2018 CD drama, it just feels weird and out of Character
It seemed uncharacteristically angsty to me, but maybe it was just a quirk of translation. I can see Takato -- the artist -- getting a bug to see the world, but associating it with Guilmon-angst is just bad melodrama.

And lastly, I dont know about you guys, but if Tamers should ever get aditional material, the focus should be more placed on characters who still have potential in them (like Jeri) or just telling stories in the digital world of certain characters (like Ryo (which wouldnt even be a big deal consideering Runaway Locomon movie put him back where he started in the digital world)), but characters like Ruki, Jian and Takato for as much as I liked them during Tamers, all I can say now is that their journeys ended, their invasion of D-Reaper and Jeri´ s rescue were the peak of their characters nothing can topple that, but I like the idea of knowing what Ruki´ s future job was at the very least.
While their original stories are settled, there are still more stories you could tell about Takato, Jian, and Ruki, but focus on the other characters would be well-warranted. I would focus on Ryo and Alice, whose stories have mythological implications (and Ryo's Tamers-backstory really needs to be punted. What a terrible idea that was).
Wont deny that, but we also shouldnt trick ourselves into believing their characters could reach higher peaks than the anime showcased, evolution wise there´ s little that can be done, for new evolutions (though they could add a few new ones by jogres or digimentals, that would still be stretching it, as far as burst modes go, I get Jian and Ruki still have to unlock theirs but Takato pretty much peaked that, so we are very far from a situation like tri where 6 other characters still had to get their ultimates). This is why I say any tamers sequel should have focus on the side characters in this regard.

Is Alice even alive at this point? I heard a lot of "she´ s already dead" comments, whats the mythological implication of Alice? With her partner sacrificed to help biomerging on the real world, what happens next to her? Does she pass on, or goes back to Digital world to get a new partner? Now that I think about it, she´ s in a even worse position than Jeri.

Ryo was so shoehorned lol, I think some mysteries should´ ve been added to the character case right now his connection to Adventure 02 is really badly set.
 

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Wont deny that, but we also shouldnt trick ourselves into believing their characters could reach higher peaks than the anime showcased, evolution wise there´ s little that can be done, for new evolutions (though they could add a few new ones by jogres or digimentals, that would still be stretching it, as far as burst modes go, I get Jian and Ruki still have to unlock theirs but Takato pretty much peaked that, so we are very far from a situation like tri where 6 other characters still had to get their ultimates). This is why I say any tamers sequel should have focus on the side characters in this regard.

Is Alice even alive at this point? I heard a lot of "she´ s already dead" comments, whats the mythological implication of Alice? With her partner sacrificed to help biomerging on the real world, what happens next to her? Does she pass on, or goes back to Digital world to get a new partner? Now that I think about it, she´ s in a even worse position than Jeri.

Ryo was so shoehorned lol, I think some mysteries should´ ve been added to the character case right now his connection to Adventure 02 is really badly set.
Konaka said that whether you believe Alice is alive or not is up to you. He kind of left it up in the air to your own interpretation.

Ryou was indeed shoehorned in. Konaka wouldn't get Tamers if he didn't make use of Ryou in it and it really shows that he wasn't in his plans.

Ruki could unlock it tbf. Sakuyamon Miko Mode exists now. SaintGalgomon gets left in the dust tho.
 

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Wont deny that, but we also shouldnt trick ourselves into believing their characters could reach higher peaks than the anime showcased, evolution wise there´ s little that can be done, for new evolutions (though they could add a few new ones by jogres or digimentals, that would still be stretching it, as far as burst modes go, I get Jian and Ruki still have to unlock theirs but Takato pretty much peaked that, so we are very far from a situation like tri where 6 other characters still had to get their ultimates). This is why I say any tamers sequel should have focus on the side characters in this regard.

Is Alice even alive at this point? I heard a lot of "she´ s already dead" comments, whats the mythological implication of Alice? With her partner sacrificed to help biomerging on the real world, what happens next to her? Does she pass on, or goes back to Digital world to get a new partner? Now that I think about it, she´ s in a even worse position than Jeri.

Ryo was so shoehorned lol, I think some mysteries should´ ve been added to the character case right now his connection to Adventure 02 is really badly set.
Konaka said that whether you believe Alice is alive or not is up to you. He kind of left it up in the air to your own interpretation.

Ryou was indeed shoehorned in. Konaka wouldn't get Tamers if he didn't make use of Ryou in it and it really shows that he wasn't in his plans.

Ruki could unlock it tbf. Sakuyamon Miko Mode exists now
. SaintGalgomon gets left in the dust tho.
I´ d say there are 3 options as far as her fate goes:
1- She´ s alive and was given the right to have a normal life with a normal body, in the human world post her service to the Sovereigns.
2- She´ ll simply keep doing their bidding post the mission and consideering D-Reaper had a enormous chunk of the Digital world screwed, odds are she was called back to the digital world.
3- She passed away with Dobermon, case he was the one keeping her present in both worlds.

Personally I find option 2, more likely to happen, the Sovereigns would likely keep her around, consideering the alternatives and it´ s not a bad idea to keep a human tamer middleman to deal with other humans tamers in the future instead of buying into fights like Zhukyaumon did, the only issue is what her future partner would be, if option 1 was a thing, she´ d basically be in Jeri´ s position post Tamers, kinda interesting to think about (option 3 would be the unpopular one for me then). However consideering the idea of her fate being open to interpretation, wouldnt her appearance in any tamers sequel ruin that? So whatever potential her character has comes at the expense of ruining the open to interpretation fate.

Not much surprised, Ryo´ s one of the most shoehorned characters in the franchise, the fact Konaka didnt even had the "dimensional traveller" aspect to his character and switched to "a Digital world traveller" really goes to show he didnt want to deal with the hassle of having to tie Ryo with Adventure 02 in Tamers canon (in regards to this, I think Ryo would´ ve been better off introduced in Frontier or Data Squad instead, for keeping the "dimensional traveller" aspect of his character in place)

Interesting so that could explain the focus on Renamon inside of Malice Bot for now, SaintGalgomon would take longer to get one, but that still wouldnt fix the major problem on the side characters partners side, Jeri lost hers, one´ s already a ultimate and the other still has yet to get to Hiandromon, any tamers sequel should´ ve some time for those, Adventure tri did the same for 6 other characters without ultimates, the more I think about it, the harder it seems possible to make a Tamers sequel, that fix all of these, even with Jeri as protag, it would either have to take too long, or be rushed, but as spin-offs focused on different Tamers characters a lot of these problems could probably be easier to solve.
 
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Sakuyamon Miko Mode wouldn't really work as a Crimson Mode equivalent. That's just what she wears when she's not engaged in battle, like HolyAngemon Priest Mode.
 

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Wont deny that, but we also shouldnt trick ourselves into believing their characters could reach higher peaks than the anime showcased, evolution wise there´ s little that can be done, for new evolutions (though they could add a few new ones by jogres or digimentals, that would still be stretching it, as far as burst modes go, I get Jian and Ruki still have to unlock theirs but Takato pretty much peaked that, so we are very far from a situation like tri where 6 other characters still had to get their ultimates). This is why I say any tamers sequel should have focus on the side characters in this regard.

Is Alice even alive at this point? I heard a lot of "she´ s already dead" comments, whats the mythological implication of Alice? With her partner sacrificed to help biomerging on the real world, what happens next to her? Does she pass on, or goes back to Digital world to get a new partner? Now that I think about it, she´ s in a even worse position than Jeri.

Ryo was so shoehorned lol, I think some mysteries should´ ve been added to the character case right now his connection to Adventure 02 is really badly set.
Konaka said that whether you believe Alice is alive or not is up to you. He kind of left it up in the air to your own interpretation.

Ryou was indeed shoehorned in. Konaka wouldn't get Tamers if he didn't make use of Ryou in it and it really shows that he wasn't in his plans.

Ruki could unlock it tbf. Sakuyamon Miko Mode exists now. SaintGalgomon gets left in the dust tho.
Miko Mode actually existed when Tamers aired. The Rika Tamers Vpet lets you evolve into it
 

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Wont deny that, but we also shouldnt trick ourselves into believing their characters could reach higher peaks than the anime showcased, evolution wise there´ s little that can be done, for new evolutions (though they could add a few new ones by jogres or digimentals, that would still be stretching it, as far as burst modes go, I get Jian and Ruki still have to unlock theirs but Takato pretty much peaked that, so we are very far from a situation like tri where 6 other characters still had to get their ultimates). This is why I say any tamers sequel should have focus on the side characters in this regard.

Is Alice even alive at this point? I heard a lot of "she´ s already dead" comments, whats the mythological implication of Alice? With her partner sacrificed to help biomerging on the real world, what happens next to her? Does she pass on, or goes back to Digital world to get a new partner? Now that I think about it, she´ s in a even worse position than Jeri.

Ryo was so shoehorned lol, I think some mysteries should´ ve been added to the character case right now his connection to Adventure 02 is really badly set.
Konaka said that whether you believe Alice is alive or not is up to you. He kind of left it up in the air to your own interpretation.

Ryou was indeed shoehorned in. Konaka wouldn't get Tamers if he didn't make use of Ryou in it and it really shows that he wasn't in his plans.

Ruki could unlock it tbf. Sakuyamon Miko Mode exists now. SaintGalgomon gets left in the dust tho.
In regards to Alice, you might be referencing something I'm not aware of, but from what I've seen Konaka only said that the way Kikuchi delivered his line made him think she had perhaps 'left this world'. I think he emphasized that it was just his imagination. I really don't think the character was written to be anything other than Dolphin's grandaughter. Perhaps that's my own unpopular opinion, because I admit...the idea of her being a ghost is very cool to me and makes her allot more interesting but re-watching the episode this time I didn't feel anything special from her or from Dolphin's line.:< Maybe I'm jaded.
 

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Wont deny that, but we also shouldnt trick ourselves into believing their characters could reach higher peaks than the anime showcased, evolution wise there´ s little that can be done, for new evolutions (though they could add a few new ones by jogres or digimentals, that would still be stretching it, as far as burst modes go, I get Jian and Ruki still have to unlock theirs but Takato pretty much peaked that, so we are very far from a situation like tri where 6 other characters still had to get their ultimates). This is why I say any tamers sequel should have focus on the side characters in this regard.

Is Alice even alive at this point? I heard a lot of "she´ s already dead" comments, whats the mythological implication of Alice? With her partner sacrificed to help biomerging on the real world, what happens next to her? Does she pass on, or goes back to Digital world to get a new partner? Now that I think about it, she´ s in a even worse position than Jeri.

Ryo was so shoehorned lol, I think some mysteries should´ ve been added to the character case right now his connection to Adventure 02 is really badly set.
Konaka said that whether you believe Alice is alive or not is up to you. He kind of left it up in the air to your own interpretation.

Ryou was indeed shoehorned in. Konaka wouldn't get Tamers if he didn't make use of Ryou in it and it really shows that he wasn't in his plans.

Ruki could unlock it tbf. Sakuyamon Miko Mode exists now. SaintGalgomon gets left in the dust tho.
In regards to Alice, you might be referencing something I'm not aware of, but from what I've seen Konaka only said that the way Kikuchi delivered his line made him think she had perhaps 'left this world'. I think he emphasized that it was just his imagination. I really don't think the character was written to be anything other than Dolphin's grandaughter. Perhaps that's my own unpopular opinion, because I admit...the idea of her being a ghost is very cool to me and makes her allot more interesting but re-watching the episode this time I didn't feel anything special from her or from Dolphin's line.:< Maybe I'm jaded.
I feel like the character I’d like to know most about from that family is Keith, who designed all of the first set of Digimon himself as a child. Like Takato up to 11!
 

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My unpopular opinions:

Bring back those digimons in certain games to get official artwork/profiles from Cardmon series to Ragnamon even Gaiamon which I always pray hard, harder, and hardest than a diamond. Well at least ToyAgumon's new card got DW2 reference hidden well that satisfied me pretty good!

The Rise of Xros War. God.... Yggdrasil... Zeus... Thrist. I need tons of inedible drinks to make me forget at tachyon speed.

... Tri remake. (Kill me) to redeem its popularity it lost to make up to atone.

Frontier anime may need remake due to 35+ episodes in the animation gotten... Lazier and lamer. Did the animator give up midway or what? Or needs heavy rest? Also second season.

The newest Digimons in designs needs more inspiration like that certain topic about digimon design inspirations.

Lastly, maybe a new special group full of Adult levels to reignite much larger interests?
 

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In regards to Alice, you might be referencing something I'm not aware of, but from what I've seen Konaka only said that the way Kikuchi delivered his line made him think she had perhaps 'left this world'. I think he emphasized that it was just his imagination. I really don't think the character was written to be anything other than Dolphin's grandaughter. Perhaps that's my own unpopular opinion, because I admit...the idea of her being a ghost is very cool to me and makes her allot more interesting but re-watching the episode this time I didn't feel anything special from her or from Dolphin's line.:< Maybe I'm jaded.
Yeah, I rechecked. Konaka's own interpretation is that Alice 'perhaps has already left this world', but I guess the 'But that's just my imagination of it' threw me off, causing me to interpret it as a 'it's up to you'.


Miko Mode actually existed when Tamers aired. The Rika Tamers Vpet lets you evolve into it
I honestly can't remember if Miko Mode already existed at the time but I do know after some checking that Sakuyamon Miko Mode is indeed an 'alternate Mega form'. For some reason I've always thought it was a Super Ultimate equivalent.
 

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So a Digimon AU Adventure? Gives me serious Undertale vibes.
...Actually... Those were just two of the characters. It was made before Savers so that's why the plot seems so much like it. ...That might be another case of me "accidentally" having the same idea as a real idea. But yeah, I made it after Frontier and took some plots from Tamers to make it.

...Anyone think there could have been a Tamers 02? Is that unpopular?
 

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Miko Mode actually existed when Tamers aired. The Rika Tamers Vpet lets you evolve into it
I honestly can't remember if Miko Mode already existed at the time but I do know after some checking that Sakuyamon Miko Mode is indeed an 'alternate Mega form'. For some reason I've always thought it was a Super Ultimate equivalent.
Technically inaccurate -- Miko Mode's Hyper Colosseum card was released in 2001. MM wouldn't be in a v-pet until the 15th anniversary d-arcs were released. Muur's right about her being an original Tamers-era release, though.

The fact that they call this version "Miko Mode" is silly; it's natural that people would group it in with pseudo-evolutionary Mode Changes like Fighter Mode and Crimson Mode. The franchise is overdue to re-classify its variations.

...Anyone think there could have been a Tamers 02? Is that unpopular?
A Tamers sequel is entirely possible, but the major models of how it would play out -- mostly either "02 style" or "tri.-style", let's say -- depends on a few things.

If you wanted an "02-style" sequel, here defined as re-using the conventional Adventure formula (in which a bunch of kids have their Digimon partners progressively unlock new evolutionary stages over time) in a sequel, you'd have to do what 02 did and introduce new kids with new, unevolved partners, because, like Adventure, Tamers finished with all of the team's digimon at or near the Mega stage (and unlike Adventure, only two digimon have yet to achieve Mega).

If you wanted a "tri.-style" sequel, i.e. a new story for the original cast, you could do that, too, and Tamers is in a better position for this than the original Adventure was because it has a rich vein of material still untapped: there's Ryo, there's Alice, there's digimon-sovereign politics, there's the myriad possibilities of how real-life IT history could have impacted digimon history, there's a chance to give a more in-depth explanation to existing mechanics (like what distinguishes Takato's and Ryo's custom d-arcs), there's the fact that a bunch of digimon toddlers we are ostensibly meant to love are are currently helpless and abandoned in the barbarian warzone called the digital world.
 
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In regards to Alice, you might be referencing something I'm not aware of, but from what I've seen Konaka only said that the way Kikuchi delivered his line made him think she had perhaps 'left this world'. I think he emphasized that it was just his imagination. I really don't think the character was written to be anything other than Dolphin's grandaughter. Perhaps that's my own unpopular opinion, because I admit...the idea of her being a ghost is very cool to me and makes her allot more interesting but re-watching the episode this time I didn't feel anything special from her or from Dolphin's line.:< Maybe I'm jaded.
Yeah, I rechecked. Konaka's own interpretation is that Alice 'perhaps has already left this world', but I guess the 'But that's just my imagination of it' threw me off, causing me to interpret it as a 'it's up to you'.


Miko Mode actually existed when Tamers aired. The Rika Tamers Vpet lets you evolve into it
I honestly can't remember if Miko Mode already existed at the time but I do know after some checking that Sakuyamon Miko Mode is indeed an 'alternate Mega form'. For some reason I've always thought it was a Super Ultimate equivalent.
After some thought, I think she transfered to the digital world post acident, like Koichi from Frontier, or she was seriously damaged post acident and made a deal with the Sovereigns to go there while doing their bidding as the price, if the acident was serious enough to end her brother, she wouldnt just come out of it unscathed, I like the idea of her spirit, still being active and who knows maybe Alice´ s situation was what gave the idea to make Koichi transfer to the digital world as a Spirit post Acident, but thats just food for thought.

I wonder if this Sakuyamon Miko Mode form could´ ve happened in the last episodes of Tamers, when Sakuyamon just gives all her Energy for Justimon´ s attack, but was changed for some reason.
 
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