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And all this is part of why I stopped doing anything with shipping until Meiko existed. Those three are really a mess. The dub preferred one pair, the original was heading to another, the guys are the most popular non-het, so Meiko solves all. And I just like her. ...Sora probably could have gotten better. I always thought it was a bit weird.

Which is why I'm kinda weirded out that they kept it "all in the family" amongst the CC. I think the best way for them to build better relationships with the broader global community would be to have non-CC relationships slowly populate the world with partners from this seed group. Perhaps I'd be okay with one intra CC relationship, but I think on an organic level, it'd make more sense for these relationships to develop with people outside of the group.

Honestly, I want Tai to end up with someone who has NEVER had a Digimon partner, because it would provide a healthy balance and sense of normalcy for him.

Perhaps this isn't a popular opinion, but in spite of people citing Tai as hogging the attention from the other CC, I actually happen to find Tai likeable. I can't explain what it is about Tai, but he comes off both humble and genuine.

So these are my contributions for unpopular opinions.
Indeed, wanting the main character to end up in a relationship with a tertiary character is an unpopular opinion.

Even for me, who doesn't take a lot of interest in ships, I consider this a really disastrous idea.

Imagine Romeo and Juliet, but instead of ending up with Juliet, Romeo makes kids with Isabelle, the maid who has been mentioned once in the whole novel (no need to search, this character doesn’t exist).

It may be "realistic" but what a dreadful lack of romanticism.

It's a shonen. There's not meant to be romance in the first place. Especially with them being ten year olds. They just skipped 30 years and took 30 seconds to randomly pair some

Also... are you saying the lead female and male should always date? How boring fiction would be if that was law. The two lead male and female is usually boringly cliche.

R&J is a romance novel and includes both their names in the title. Digimon isn't a romance anime called Tai and Sora.
 

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Romeo & Juliet is a bad example in general because
Romeo and Juliet hecking kill themselves.
The story portrays love as a condition that drives you into irrationality and why that can easily be a formula for a tragic story. You're not supposed to want to be a Romeo or Juliet as you need to balance emotions with rationality which Tai definitely did if he had deep feelings for Sora, which I think is a more strong characteristic for a leader character you're supposed to look up to
 

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Not sure what might be worse, comparing yourself to Romeo and Juliet or Joker and Harly Quinn. That last one is very much almost a textbook case of toxic relationship.

....Anyway, Shipping main guy with main girl is the standard first ship everyone does. It doesn't always work. Look at Naruto.
 

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Not sure what might be worse, comparing yourself to Romeo and Juliet or Joker and Harly Quinn. That last one is very much almost a textbook case of toxic relationship.

....Anyway, Shipping main guy with main girl is the standard first ship everyone does. It doesn't always work. Look at Naruto.

Romeo and Juliet's story isn't meant to place the bulk of the blame on the protagonists, but rather on their respective families for their irrational hatred of one another leading to the demise of their children. This is getting off-topic, but it needed to be said.

Tai and Sora or Matt and Sora don't typify that prototype. It fits better with the imagery of Arthur, Guinevere, and Lancelot. Not that it ever goes to that extreme, but it's there plain as day.

Personally, I still think Matt is in the wrong to pursue a relationship with Sora out of respect to both Tai and Sora. He's friends with both of them.
 
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And all this is part of why I stopped doing anything with shipping until Meiko existed. Those three are really a mess. The dub preferred one pair, the original was heading to another, the guys are the most popular non-het, so Meiko solves all. And I just like her. ...Sora probably could have gotten better. I always thought it was a bit weird.

Which is why I'm kinda weirded out that they kept it "all in the family" amongst the CC. I think the best way for them to build better relationships with the broader global community would be to have non-CC relationships slowly populate the world with partners from this seed group. Perhaps I'd be okay with one intra CC relationship, but I think on an organic level, it'd make more sense for these relationships to develop with people outside of the group.

Honestly, I want Tai to end up with someone who has NEVER had a Digimon partner, because it would provide a healthy balance and sense of normalcy for him.

Perhaps this isn't a popular opinion, but in spite of people citing Tai as hogging the attention from the other CC, I actually happen to find Tai likeable. I can't explain what it is about Tai, but he comes off both humble and genuine.

So these are my contributions for unpopular opinions.
Indeed, wanting the main character to end up in a relationship with a tertiary character is an unpopular opinion.

Even for me, who doesn't take a lot of interest in ships, I consider this a really disastrous idea.

Imagine Romeo and Juliet, but instead of ending up with Juliet, Romeo makes kids with Isabelle, the maid who has been mentioned once in the whole novel (no need to search, this character doesn’t exist).

It may be "realistic" but what a dreadful lack of romanticism.

It's a shonen. There's not meant to be romance in the first place. Especially with them being ten year olds. They just skipped 30 years and took 30 seconds to randomly pair some

Also... are you saying the lead female and male should always date? How boring fiction would be if that was law. The two lead male and female is usually boringly cliche.

R&J is a romance novel and includes both their names in the title. Digimon isn't a romance anime called Tai and Sora.
Like I said, I don't have any interest in shipping, but from the moment they introduce couples into the story, these have to make sense.

I have the impression that you confuse cliché and rule of writing.
If the main boy ends up in a relationship with the main girl in most cases, it's not free. These are generally the two most developed characters and those who interact the most.
Who is the female character Tai interacts with the most ? Well... probably Hikari, but hard to create a sibling romance.
And then it's Sora, so it makes sense that if Tai is to have feelings for a girl, it will be for her and not for Yolei or Davis's sister.
You call it a cliché, for me it's coherent writing.

A story is not limited to one genre.
"Star Wars" is not named "Life and Descendants of Anakin Skywalker".
Yet questions of heritage and spirituality are as, if not more, important than spaceship battles.
 

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Not sure what might be worse, comparing yourself to Romeo and Juliet or Joker and Harly Quinn. That last one is very much almost a textbook case of toxic relationship.

....Anyway, Shipping main guy with main girl is the standard first ship everyone does. It doesn't always work. Look at Naruto.

Romeo and Juliet's story isn't meant to place the bulk of the blame on the protagonists, but rather on their respective families for their irrational hatred of one another leading to the demise of their children. This is getting off-topic, but it needed to be said.

Tai and Sora or Matt and Sora don't typify that prototype. It fits better with the imagery of Arthur, Guinevere, and Lancelot. Not that it ever goes to that extreme, but it's there plain as day.

Personally, I still think Matt is in the wrong to pursue a relationship with Sora out of respect to both Tai and Sora. He's friends with both of them.

Then so would Tai, since he's friends with Sora and Matt.

Also, you're allowed to date your friends. Weird thing to state.
 

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Not sure what might be worse, comparing yourself to Romeo and Juliet or Joker and Harly Quinn. That last one is very much almost a textbook case of toxic relationship.

....Anyway, Shipping main guy with main girl is the standard first ship everyone does. It doesn't always work. Look at Naruto.

Romeo and Juliet's story isn't meant to place the bulk of the blame on the protagonists, but rather on their respective families for their irrational hatred of one another leading to the demise of their children. This is getting off-topic, but it needed to be said.

Tai and Sora or Matt and Sora don't typify that prototype. It fits better with the imagery of Arthur, Guinevere, and Lancelot. Not that it ever goes to that extreme, but it's there plain as day.

Personally, I still think Matt is in the wrong to pursue a relationship with Sora out of respect to both Tai and Sora. He's friends with both of them.

Then so would Tai, since he's friends with Sora and Matt.

Also, you're allowed to date your friends. Weird thing to state.
Matt, at least as per the dub, never demonstrated an interest in Sora. We do however see Tai struggling with his feelings for her. Matt knowing his best friend has unresolved feelings for someone, and making moves on that person is kinda opportunistic on his part.

Not a weird thing to say at all. It's a matter of respect.

Moving on...

I didn't realize this until now, but I suppose the naming conventions for some Digimon bother me, when they either don't resemble what they're based off of, or what they're based off of isn't even cited. I just realized that both Raguelmon and Ordinemon are based off of a Fury.
 

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I want to see old evolution gimmicks expanded upon more. More human characters using the Spirits to fight or perhaps new synthetic Spirits not related to the Ancient Warriors, more armor evolutions, more mode changes specifically conceptualized as Burst Modes, more depictions of Slide Evolution, more Biomerges (we actually got something similar to a biomerge in Hacker's Memory), and more X Antibody Digimon experiencing the Death-X phenomenon
 

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I want to see old evolution gimmicks expanded upon more. More human characters using the Spirits to fight or perhaps new synthetic Spirits not related to the Ancient Warriors, more armor evolutions, more mode changes specifically conceptualized as Burst Modes, more depictions of Slide Evolution, more Biomerges (we actually got something similar to a biomerge in Hacker's Memory), and more X Antibody Digimon experiencing the Death-X phenomenon
There's a reason the rest of the franchise (and even some of Frontier itself) treats Spirits as little more than evolution stones (or Digimentals) that allow other Digimon to evolve. Humans becoming Digimon can work, but I think it should be used very sparingly, because at its core, most of the media focuses heavily on humans taking on the role of raising up super-powered pets, not becoming those pets themselves.
 

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I want to see old evolution gimmicks expanded upon more. More human characters using the Spirits to fight or perhaps new synthetic Spirits not related to the Ancient Warriors, more armor evolutions, more mode changes specifically conceptualized as Burst Modes, more depictions of Slide Evolution, more Biomerges (we actually got something similar to a biomerge in Hacker's Memory), and more X Antibody Digimon experiencing the Death-X phenomenon
There's a reason the rest of the franchise (and even some of Frontier itself) treats Spirits as little more than evolution stones (or Digimentals) that allow other Digimon to evolve. Humans becoming Digimon can work, but I think it should be used very sparingly, because at its core, most of the media focuses heavily on humans taking on the role of raising up super-powered pets, not becoming those pets themselves.
If I have to be perfectly honest, I'm surprised the Bond Forms weren't precisely that. I wonder if they shied away from it, because of Tamers and Frontier. It would have probably been the most appropriate moment to introduce that mechanism. They would effectively ALWAYS be a part of one another.
 

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Since a lot of people seem to like doing it, I think a group of "evil digidesitned", or the main kids themselves "turn evil and get evil evolutions" would be really bad.
I think conflict between two groups with different ideals would be fine. But “evil” would indeed be awful.
I like (and would like to write if I wasn't lazy) the idea of having Chosen Adults having to deal with (and being based on) more realistic issues instead of the very idealistic crest virtues. Like, for example, a character having the Crest of Productivity hahah.
 

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Not sure what might be worse, comparing yourself to Romeo and Juliet or Joker and Harly Quinn. That last one is very much almost a textbook case of toxic relationship.

....Anyway, Shipping main guy with main girl is the standard first ship everyone does. It doesn't always work. Look at Naruto.

Romeo and Juliet's story isn't meant to place the bulk of the blame on the protagonists, but rather on their respective families for their irrational hatred of one another leading to the demise of their children. This is getting off-topic, but it needed to be said.

Tai and Sora or Matt and Sora don't typify that prototype. It fits better with the imagery of Arthur, Guinevere, and Lancelot. Not that it ever goes to that extreme, but it's there plain as day.

Personally, I still think Matt is in the wrong to pursue a relationship with Sora out of respect to both Tai and Sora. He's friends with both of them.

Then so would Tai, since he's friends with Sora and Matt.

Also, you're allowed to date your friends. Weird thing to state.
Matt, at least as per the dub, never demonstrated an interest in Sora. We do however see Tai struggling with his feelings for her. Matt knowing his best friend has unresolved feelings for someone, and making moves on that person is kinda opportunistic on his part.

Not a weird thing to say at all. It's a matter of respect.

Moving on...

I didn't realize this until now, but I suppose the naming conventions for some Digimon bother me, when they either don't resemble what they're based off of, or what they're based off of isn't even cited. I just realized that both Raguelmon and Ordinemon are based off of a Fury.

That was dub-only, though. None of that happened in the original, and I swear to god that Kakudo has stated that Matt x Sora was always his intent.

Additionally, Raguelmon isn’t based on a fury, but on the archangel Raguel - a figure from Judaistic tradition that seeks out and punishes fallen angels - just like her profile states.
 

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Not sure what might be worse, comparing yourself to Romeo and Juliet or Joker and Harly Quinn. That last one is very much almost a textbook case of toxic relationship.

....Anyway, Shipping main guy with main girl is the standard first ship everyone does. It doesn't always work. Look at Naruto.

Romeo and Juliet's story isn't meant to place the bulk of the blame on the protagonists, but rather on their respective families for their irrational hatred of one another leading to the demise of their children. This is getting off-topic, but it needed to be said.

Tai and Sora or Matt and Sora don't typify that prototype. It fits better with the imagery of Arthur, Guinevere, and Lancelot. Not that it ever goes to that extreme, but it's there plain as day.

Personally, I still think Matt is in the wrong to pursue a relationship with Sora out of respect to both Tai and Sora. He's friends with both of them.

Then so would Tai, since he's friends with Sora and Matt.

Also, you're allowed to date your friends. Weird thing to state.
Matt, at least as per the dub, never demonstrated an interest in Sora. We do however see Tai struggling with his feelings for her. Matt knowing his best friend has unresolved feelings for someone, and making moves on that person is kinda opportunistic on his part.

Not a weird thing to say at all. It's a matter of respect.

Moving on...

I didn't realize this until now, but I suppose the naming conventions for some Digimon bother me, when they either don't resemble what they're based off of, or what they're based off of isn't even cited. I just realized that both Raguelmon and Ordinemon are based off of a Fury.

That was dub-only, though. None of that happened in the original, and I swear to god that Kakudo has stated that Matt x Sora was always his intent.

Additionally, Raguelmon isn’t based on a fury, but on the archangel Raguel - a figure from Judaistic tradition that seeks out and punishes fallen angels - just like her profile states.
Re: Matt

Even if Matt and Sora were end game, why introduce that tension with Tai?

That can't just be dub exclusive, at least not what we see in Tri.


Re: Raguelmon's name may imply that, but her design says otherwise. That's why I have that gripe with Digimon using names that thematically make no sense based on their designs (Cherubimon...).

Not quite a fury,but this fits the bill in so far as being "dog headed", rabid, and vengeful:


That is the Greek goddess Lyssa, known to the Romans as Ira.

It still works.
 

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Not sure what might be worse, comparing yourself to Romeo and Juliet or Joker and Harly Quinn. That last one is very much almost a textbook case of toxic relationship.

....Anyway, Shipping main guy with main girl is the standard first ship everyone does. It doesn't always work. Look at Naruto.

Romeo and Juliet's story isn't meant to place the bulk of the blame on the protagonists, but rather on their respective families for their irrational hatred of one another leading to the demise of their children. This is getting off-topic, but it needed to be said.

Tai and Sora or Matt and Sora don't typify that prototype. It fits better with the imagery of Arthur, Guinevere, and Lancelot. Not that it ever goes to that extreme, but it's there plain as day.

Personally, I still think Matt is in the wrong to pursue a relationship with Sora out of respect to both Tai and Sora. He's friends with both of them.

Then so would Tai, since he's friends with Sora and Matt.

Also, you're allowed to date your friends. Weird thing to state.
Matt, at least as per the dub, never demonstrated an interest in Sora. We do however see Tai struggling with his feelings for her. Matt knowing his best friend has unresolved feelings for someone, and making moves on that person is kinda opportunistic on his part.

Not a weird thing to say at all. It's a matter of respect.

Moving on...

I didn't realize this until now, but I suppose the naming conventions for some Digimon bother me, when they either don't resemble what they're based off of, or what they're based off of isn't even cited. I just realized that both Raguelmon and Ordinemon are based off of a Fury.

That was dub-only, though. None of that happened in the original, and I swear to god that Kakudo has stated that Matt x Sora was always his intent.

Additionally, Raguelmon isn’t based on a fury, but on the archangel Raguel - a figure from Judaistic tradition that seeks out and punishes fallen angels - just like her profile states.
Re: Matt

Even if Matt and Sora were end game, why introduce that tension with Tai?

That can't just be dub exclusive, at least not what we see in Tri.


Re: Raguelmon's name may imply that, but her design says otherwise. That's why I have that gripe with Digimon using names that thematically make no sense based on their designs (Cherubimon...).

Not quite a fury,but this fits the bill in so far as being "dog headed", rabid, and vengeful:


That is the Greek goddess Lyssa, known to the Romans as Ira.

It still works.

The tension with Tai was dub-exclusive, yes.
Tri. just added a bunch of random shiptease between several couples where it wasn’t present before that.

I think you’ve gotten confused - Raguelmon isn’t dog-headed, but cat-headed, because she, and her entire line are cat-based. Furthermore, the description of her behaviour matches that of the Judaic Archangel Raguel. I can understand why you’d be annoyed that she’s a cat, when Raguel isn’t, similar to how ChoHakkaimon is a girl dressed as a pig instead of a pig monster, which puts her at odds with the more faithful Gokuwmon and Sagomon...but you’re inventing connections that just aren’t there. Raguelmon hunts falling angels not because she is a fury...but because that is literally Raguel’s job. He’s literally known as the Angel of Vengeance, among other things.
 
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The tension with Tai was dub-exclusive, yes.
Tri. just added a bunch of random shiptease between several couples where it wasn’t present before that.

Tri gave into it needlessly, or engaged in a bit of fan service that was meant to fan those flames. Nevertheless, it's there. Tai should have backed off then. Curious though, what exactly was the issue between Tai and Sora in the original Digimon movie (Movie 2 in the original release)?

I think you’ve gotten confused - Raguelmon isn’t dog-headed, but cat-headed, because she, and her entire line are cat-based. Furthermore, the description of her behaviour matches that of the Judaic Archangel Raguel. I can understand why you’d be annoyed that she’s a cat, when Raguel isn’t, similar to how ChoHakkaimon is a girl dressed as a pig instead of a pig monster, which puts her at odds with the more faithful Gokuwmon and Sagomon...but you’re inventing connections that just aren’t there. Raguelmon hunts falling angels not because she is a fury...but because that is literally Raguel’s job. He’s literally known as the Angel of Vengeance, among other things.

I know she's technically based on a cat, but I cited that in my original post that I was willing to stretch that to apply to being dog headed (or I suppose being Beast headed).

Thematically, a Fury, or any of the cited goddesses of rage, divine retribution etc. all fit under the function that Raguelmon serves, justice.

Out of curiosity, what Demon/Fallen Angel Digimon triggered Raguelmon? None in so far as Tri is concerned. Ophanimon Falldown Mode was triggered due to the actions of Raguelmon that resulted in Tai's assumed death.
 

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The tension with Tai was dub-exclusive, yes.
Tri. just added a bunch of random shiptease between several couples where it wasn’t present before that.
Wasn’t the drama between Taichi and Sora in Boku no War game over Taichi not liking Sora’s new hat? That seems like a pre couple spat instead of a just friend thing.
 

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The tension with Tai was dub-exclusive, yes.
Tri. just added a bunch of random shiptease between several couples where it wasn’t present before that.

Tri gave into it needlessly, or engaged in a bit of fan service that was meant to fan those flames. Nevertheless, it's there. Tai should have backed off then. Curious though, what exactly was the issue between Tai and Sora in the original Digimon movie (Movie 2 in the original release)?

I think you’ve gotten confused - Raguelmon isn’t dog-headed, but cat-headed, because she, and her entire line are cat-based. Furthermore, the description of her behaviour matches that of the Judaic Archangel Raguel. I can understand why you’d be annoyed that she’s a cat, when Raguel isn’t, similar to how ChoHakkaimon is a girl dressed as a pig instead of a pig monster, which puts her at odds with the more faithful Gokuwmon and Sagomon...but you’re inventing connections that just aren’t there. Raguelmon hunts falling angels not because she is a fury...but because that is literally Raguel’s job. He’s literally known as the Angel of Vengeance, among other things.

I know she's technically based on a cat, but I cited that in my original post that I was willing to stretch that to apply to being dog headed (or I suppose being Beast headed).

Thematically, a Fury, or any of the cited goddesses of rage, divine retribution etc. all fit under the function that Raguelmon serves, justice.

Out of curiosity, what Demon/Fallen Angel Digimon triggered Raguelmon? None in so far as Tri is concerned. Ophanimon Falldown Mode was triggered due to the actions of Raguelmon that resulted in Tai's assumed death.

Yes, sure, you could say she’s ‘like a Fury’ or ‘like -insert goddess of rage here’...but she’s named Raguelmon and does the same job that Raguel does. Ergo, even if she is based loosely on other deities as well, she is still based on Raguel, and so the name is perfectly apt.

It is mentioned that Raguelmon goes after Angel Digimon ‘about to fall’ in her official profile - nothing to do with Tri.
 

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The tension with Tai was dub-exclusive, yes.
Tri. just added a bunch of random shiptease between several couples where it wasn’t present before that.

Tri gave into it needlessly, or engaged in a bit of fan service that was meant to fan those flames. Nevertheless, it's there. Tai should have backed off then. Curious though, what exactly was the issue between Tai and Sora in the original Digimon movie (Movie 2 in the original release)?

I think you’ve gotten confused - Raguelmon isn’t dog-headed, but cat-headed, because she, and her entire line are cat-based. Furthermore, the description of her behaviour matches that of the Judaic Archangel Raguel. I can understand why you’d be annoyed that she’s a cat, when Raguel isn’t, similar to how ChoHakkaimon is a girl dressed as a pig instead of a pig monster, which puts her at odds with the more faithful Gokuwmon and Sagomon...but you’re inventing connections that just aren’t there. Raguelmon hunts falling angels not because she is a fury...but because that is literally Raguel’s job. He’s literally known as the Angel of Vengeance, among other things.

I know she's technically based on a cat, but I cited that in my original post that I was willing to stretch that to apply to being dog headed (or I suppose being Beast headed).

Thematically, a Fury, or any of the cited goddesses of rage, divine retribution etc. all fit under the function that Raguelmon serves, justice.

Out of curiosity, what Demon/Fallen Angel Digimon triggered Raguelmon? None in so far as Tri is concerned. Ophanimon Falldown Mode was triggered due to the actions of Raguelmon that resulted in Tai's assumed death.

Yes, sure, you could say she’s ‘like a Fury’ or ‘like -insert goddess of rage here’...but she’s named Raguelmon and does the same job that Raguel does. Ergo, even if she is based loosely on other deities as well, she is still based on Raguel, and so the name is perfectly apt.

It is mentioned that Raguelmon goes after Angel Digimon ‘about to fall’ in her official profile - nothing to do with Tri.
Raguel is also male. The name may have been given to situate the figure within the corpus of the Judaeo-Christian (or more specifically Judaic in this sense.) Angelology as opposed to randomly sticking a figure from paganism amongst the angels. Not that Digimon has ever been strict in its treatment of angels, but nothing about the design proper says "Judaeo-Christian Angel!". Cherubimon is a perfect example of that. It's literally a lagomorph jester, but because it's called Cherubimon, we all just go with it. Ophanimon has more motifs associated with biblical Cherubim than does Cherubimon. It's actually odd that Digimon didn't model the design for Ophanimon on actual Ophanim.

But my unpopular opinion still stands, the naming conventions for a number of Digimon make no sense based on designs alone.

In so far as Raguelmon, I was discussing the figure from Tri, as I cited her Jogress/Fusion form with Ophanimon Falldown Mode becoming Ordinemon.
 
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Tri gave into it needlessly, or engaged in a bit of fan service that was meant to fan those flames. Nevertheless, it's there. Tai should have backed off then. Curious though, what exactly was the issue between Tai and Sora in the original Digimon movie (Movie 2 in the original release)?

The issue was the same. Kakudo had no involvement with the movies, and while Yamato and Sora was his end-game, it seems he didn't share it with anyone else, so other people may have included hints about Taichi and Sora. However, Taichi and Sora never made any overtly romantic gestures towards each other.
 

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Tri gave into it needlessly, or engaged in a bit of fan service that was meant to fan those flames. Nevertheless, it's there. Tai should have backed off then. Curious though, what exactly was the issue between Tai and Sora in the original Digimon movie (Movie 2 in the original release)?

The issue was the same. Kakudo had no involvement with the movies, and while Yamato and Sora was his end-game, it seems he didn't share it with anyone else, so other people may have included hints about Taichi and Sora. However, Taichi and Sora never made any overtly romantic gestures towards each other.

Thank you for this.

Just curious, while Diaboromon Strikes Back, IIRC, makes Matt and Sora more explicitly an item, were they toying with the notion of Tai-Sora in Our Wargame?
 
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