Unpopular opinions and rants about the Digimon franchize.

[Yamato-san]

While people talk about Matt being Tai's best friend a lot, it feels like Izzy more naturally fits into that role.

This kind of leads me to a thought I’ve long held over the years. In that I personally feel Koushiro deserved his partner to reach Ultimate far more then Yamato did in the original Series.
Not only did he have an overall better dynamic with Taichi, but I think Heraklekabuterimon would have been much better received and utilised more then poor Metalgarurumon was. Japan loves its bugs after all, and he would have had the likes of Venomvamdemon and two Dark Masters to tussle with. Plus he just looks cool.
Obviously you’d have to rework things like the trigger for the Warp Evolutions, but it’s doable. Even ‘Our War Game’ allows for it to work with minimal changes. I’ve seen the odd fan design for Omegamon with alternate arms.

Of course I’m biased since I love Tentomon’s line. And for all the issues I have with Tri, Heraklekabuterimon’s debut (and brief fight with Mugendramon) was a highlight.

One also has to consider that HeracleKabuterimon was among the first Ultimates to ever be introduced in the franchise, so it might've been worth promoting (and in another case of irony, it was the only Nature Spirits Ultimates to not appear in the initial anime..... hell, throw in Holydramon's appearance in the 02 movie, and you can even extend that to 1.5). Meanwhile, MetalGarurumon had to be created entirely for the anime (WereGarurumon couldn't even get a definitive Ultimate in Nightmare Soldiers, with it instead going to Mammon.... but then again, maybe that was intentional, with the plan being to introduce an Ultimate Greymon and Garurumon in the newly-starting anime, and the fact that they were original Ultimates may've been a huge selling point).

 

[JR9386]

As much as I like Wormmon... Lopmon would have worked out as a better partner for Ken.

The whole plot of Hurricane Touchdown screams Ken...

Who is kinder than Cherubimon Grace Mode (Yes, I made that up!)?

 

[Unknown Neo]

...Huh. What would their jogress look like? Just Paildramon but with brown/pink armor?

 

[JR9386]

...Huh. What would their jogress look like? Just Paildramon but with brown/pink armor?

Well, I wasn't thinking in terms of Jogress partners etc., but thematic content. Ken, in spite of being introduced late, is in the same category as Kari and TK. He's an original CC. Thematically speaking, based on the events of Hurricane Touchdown, that plot would have worked out best for Ken.

Dark Cherubimon would have worked out better for what Meicoomon/Meicrackmon etc. were all intended to be thematically speaking.

Bucchiemon practically looks like Lopmon.

It looks like someone agrees with me based on some fanart I found.

 

[e105zeta]

...Huh. What would their jogress look like? Just Paildramon but with brown/pink armor?

Speaking of which - unpopular opinion - all six 02 kids should've reached Ultimate and should've jogressed at Perfect instead.

 

[Unknown Neo]

I think I get what you mean there. It would solve the problem of Shakkomon. Does he fit at all?

 

[JR9386]

I think I get what you mean there. It would solve the problem of Shakkomon. Does he fit at all?

Shakkoumon would fit better, if he weren't just inspired by the elements of both and were actually a chimera of sorts.

 

[Eitaroutarouman]

Shakkoumon is inspired by its components. It's just he's more thematic than physical like the other two.

 

[JR9386]

Shakkoumon is inspired by its components. It's just he's more thematic than physical like the other two.

But that makes it seem like a last minute design choice once they realized the difficulty involved in making them work as a Jogress pair.

 

[Muur]

Shakkoumon is inspired by its components. It's just he's more thematic than physical like the other two.

But that makes it seem like a last minute design choice once they realized the difficulty involved in making them work as a Jogress pair.

was in the d-terminal vpet months before it showed up in the anime

 

[e105zeta]

The problem with Shakkoumon is that he’s much more Angemon than Ankylomon. Similarly Vikemon was much more Zudomon than Shakkoumon. They just didn’t have a good grasp on how to design defensive/tanky Digimon for Armadimon’s theme.

They eventually got a better grasp on it, given that Groundramon and Breakdramon are more in line with Armadimon. If there were heroic yellow recolors of those two, I’d take them over Shakkoumon/Vikemon/SlashAngemon.

 

[JR9386]

Shakkoumon is inspired by its components. It's just he's more thematic than physical like the other two.

But that makes it seem like a last minute design choice once they realized the difficulty involved in making them work as a Jogress pair.

was in the d-terminal vpet months before it showed up in the anime

As a Jogress of both, or a stand alone design with no reference to either Jogress pair?

In either case, I would still stand by my objection. However, if indeed it was a case of the latter, that actually makes my case even more. It would be retroactively fitting him into the line as opposed to designing a Digimon comprised of recognizable design elements from both.

If Gargoylemon didn't already exist, that would have probably been the more appropriate way to go with it.

 

[Muur]

Shakkoumon is inspired by its components. It's just he's more thematic than physical like the other two.

But that makes it seem like a last minute design choice once they realized the difficulty involved in making them work as a Jogress pair.

was in the d-terminal vpet months before it showed up in the anime

As a Jogress of both, or a stand alone design with no reference to either Jogress pair?

In either case, I would still stand by my objection. However, if indeed it was a case of the latter, that actually makes my case even more. It would be retroactively fitting him into the line as opposed to designing a Digimon comprised of recognizable design elements from both.

If Gargoylemon didn't already exist, that would have probably been the more appropriate way to go with it.

I don't know the answer to that, but I would assume a Jogress. Also note that it's possible Shakkoumon debuted in the D-3 version 2 vpet before the episode aired as well. Both came out in December 2000, but it seems no one knows the exact date the D3 ver.2 came out.

I would say it's safe to say it was created to be Ankylmon+Angemon.

 

[e105zeta]

Shakkoumon is inspired by its components. It's just he's more thematic than physical like the other two.

But that makes it seem like a last minute design choice once they realized the difficulty involved in making them work as a Jogress pair.

was in the d-terminal vpet months before it showed up in the anime

As a Jogress of both, or a stand alone design with no reference to either Jogress pair?

In either case, I would still stand by my objection. However, if indeed it was a case of the latter, that actually makes my case even more. It would be retroactively fitting him into the line as opposed to designing a Digimon comprised of recognizable design elements from both.

If Gargoylemon didn't already exist, that would have probably been the more appropriate way to go with it.

The only way to get the 02 partners fully evolved in the D-Terminal was to jogress them with Digimon from D1 Tamers, I believe? Or was that the D3? There was some sort of complicated inter connectivity between all three.

Anyways, in addition to the anime Jogresses, there was Paildramon + MetalGreymon to Imperialdramon, Silphymon + Garudamon for Valkyrimon, Shakkoumon + Zudomon for Vikemon, and AtlurKabuterimon + DinoBeemon for GranKuwagamon.

 

[Yamato-san]

There was also HolyAngemon+WereGarurumon=Seraphimon and Angewomon+Lilimon=Holydramon. Of course, these were done retroactively so that the Patamon and Tailmon lines could be compatible with the D-3's system (and to get some usage out of the last of the Adventure children's Digimon).

But yeah, because Armadimon's evolutions were featured in Ver.3, the last of the D-3s to be released (not counting special editions), they were introduced in the D-Terminal way ahead of time (the D-Terminal having come out around the time Shurimon and Submarimon were debuting in the anime). At any rate, it's probably safe to say that they always had Jogress in mind for the 02 Digimon's intended Perfect forms.

 

[SuperStarlite]

Tai and Matt are best friends. Tai dates Sora, she breaks up with him and gets with his best friend?

Maybe I have terrible memory, but when did Tai and Sora ever date???

 

[JR9386]

Tai and Matt are best friends. Tai dates Sora, she breaks up with him and gets with his best friend?

Maybe I have terrible memory, but when did Tai and Sora ever date???

It was addressed above.

The dub was leading in that direction, but the original Japanese was leading towards Matt and Sora as end game. That makes it slightly less of an issue, but I still think Sora and Matt don't work.

 

[Darklabo]

And all this is part of why I stopped doing anything with shipping until Meiko existed. Those three are really a mess. The dub preferred one pair, the original was heading to another, the guys are the most popular non-het, so Meiko solves all. And I just like her. ...Sora probably could have gotten better. I always thought it was a bit weird.

Which is why I'm kinda weirded out that they kept it "all in the family" amongst the CC. I think the best way for them to build better relationships with the broader global community would be to have non-CC relationships slowly populate the world with partners from this seed group. Perhaps I'd be okay with one intra CC relationship, but I think on an organic level, it'd make more sense for these relationships to develop with people outside of the group.

Honestly, I want Tai to end up with someone who has NEVER had a Digimon partner, because it would provide a healthy balance and sense of normalcy for him.

Perhaps this isn't a popular opinion, but in spite of people citing Tai as hogging the attention from the other CC, I actually happen to find Tai likeable. I can't explain what it is about Tai, but he comes off both humble and genuine.

So these are my contributions for unpopular opinions.

Indeed, wanting the main character to end up in a relationship with a tertiary character is an unpopular opinion.

Even for me, who doesn't take a lot of interest in ships, I consider this a really disastrous idea.

Imagine Romeo and Juliet, but instead of ending up with Juliet, Romeo makes kids with Isabelle, the maid who has been mentioned once in the whole novel (no need to search, this character doesn’t exist).

It may be "realistic" but what a dreadful lack of romanticism.

 

[SuperStarlite]

Tai and Matt are best friends. Tai dates Sora, she breaks up with him and gets with his best friend?

Maybe I have terrible memory, but when did Tai and Sora ever date???

It was addressed above.

The dub was leading in that direction, but the original Japanese was leading towards Matt and Sora as end game. That makes it slightly less of an issue, but I still think Sora and Matt don't work.

OKay I'm really embarrassed right now. I was somehow didn't realize I was reading 5+ pages old content and thought I was on the latest post o-o

 

[JR9386]

Tai and Matt are best friends. Tai dates Sora, she breaks up with him and gets with his best friend?

Maybe I have terrible memory, but when did Tai and Sora ever date???

It was addressed above.

The dub was leading in that direction, but the original Japanese was leading towards Matt and Sora as end game. That makes it slightly less of an issue, but I still think Sora and Matt don't work.

OKay I'm really embarrassed right now. I was somehow didn't realize I was reading 5+ pages old content and thought I was on the latest post o-o

No worries.

And all this is part of why I stopped doing anything with shipping until Meiko existed. Those three are really a mess. The dub preferred one pair, the original was heading to another, the guys are the most popular non-het, so Meiko solves all. And I just like her. ...Sora probably could have gotten better. I always thought it was a bit weird.

Which is why I'm kinda weirded out that they kept it "all in the family" amongst the CC. I think the best way for them to build better relationships with the broader global community would be to have non-CC relationships slowly populate the world with partners from this seed group. Perhaps I'd be okay with one intra CC relationship, but I think on an organic level, it'd make more sense for these relationships to develop with people outside of the group.

Honestly, I want Tai to end up with someone who has NEVER had a Digimon partner, because it would provide a healthy balance and sense of normalcy for him.

Perhaps this isn't a popular opinion, but in spite of people citing Tai as hogging the attention from the other CC, I actually happen to find Tai likeable. I can't explain what it is about Tai, but he comes off both humble and genuine.

So these are my contributions for unpopular opinions.

Indeed, wanting the main character to end up in a relationship with a tertiary character is an unpopular opinion.

Even for me, who doesn't take a lot of interest in ships, I consider this a really disastrous idea.

Imagine Romeo and Juliet, but instead of ending up with Juliet, Romeo makes kids with Isabelle, the maid who has been mentioned once in the whole novel (no need to search, this character doesn’t exist).

It may be "realistic" but what a dreadful lack of romanticism.

I don't get invested in ships either (Mimi and Joe being the odd exception!), but I just find the dynamics involved very uncomfortable.

You know your best friend is into a girl, but doesn't know how to handle their feelings for her, and you know that she has some sort of unresolved feelings for your best friend, but you're the confidante for both parties?