The "Lost" Digimon

[Bancho]

Alt colors of Digimon that are released for no other reason than a game-mechanic can stay lost.

I'm honestly pretty torn.

On one hand, I wish digimon could randomly have alternate colors without suddenly being a new species like blue headed Astamon; a situation where it's like "yeah, my MetalGarurumon went with the red paint job" like how I can get a red car but it doesn't mean its performance is any different than a blue car of the same model, it's just more personalized.

But on the other hand, I like when people have more options of a digimon due to "separate" species recolors. It's a really cool concept to me that people can choose between multiple attributes/element types for a design they like with a physical indicator to other people that it's a variant species.

So yeah, I also tend to roll my eyes when I see red MetalGarurumon again like "just let it go" but then I'd stop and consider how cool it would look for somebody to pull up riding a red MetalGarurumon and how interesting alternate features on a red MetalGarurumon could be and then I see why other people are intrigued by the same thoughts of what new recolor species could bring

 

[Chimera-gui]

@Bancho for me it’s a matter of intent. Black variants and variants induced by the environment like Muchomon and Guardromon (Gold) are fine, though the latter is edging the line, because there is a precedent for this kind of variation.

The straight palette swaps that exist for purely gameplay reasons like the player two palettes in the original Rumble Arena or the DW3 palettes are where I have a harder time justifying their existence.

 

[Theigno]

I was looking up the sprites from Digital Monster: D-Project here
and I want to know your opinion on this PinkYukimiBetamon and BlueNyaromon. I don't know the context of them so if anyone knows...

For context, those two have nothing to do with the game's attribute palette system, they are "proper" species with their own respective variants.
While the standard YukimiBotamon and Nyaromon are used in their usual Tailmon line, these two are the first two stages for the Elecmon line (notice how the blue/orange inverts Elecmon's color scheme) with RedV-dramon as the Adult and then splitting into AeroV-dramon => Goddramon or MetalTyranomon => Armagemon.

 

[Unknown Neo]

It could be fun to get random recolors. Though would they do much to change? I mean, Red things are 3 times faster after all. heh

 

[DPTronazel]

Alt colors of Digimon that are released for no other reason than a game-mechanic can stay lost.

I'm honestly pretty torn.

On one hand, I wish digimon could randomly have alternate colors without suddenly being a new species like blue headed Astamon

Reminds me of the brown Bearmon who shows up more in the anime than the black one who had like, two animated appearances while the brown got three. It also shows up in the card game too.

I remember the only time the brown variant shows up in a game was in Battle and Masters it appeared in (unless they start to bring that one into New Century)

 

[e105zeta]

Alt colors of Digimon that are released for no other reason than a game-mechanic can stay lost.

I'm honestly pretty torn.

On one hand, I wish digimon could randomly have alternate colors without suddenly being a new species like blue headed Astamon

Reminds me of the brown Bearmon who shows up more in the anime than the black one who had like, two animated appearances while the brown got three. It also shows up in the card game too.

I remember the only time the brown variant shows up in a game was only Masters it appeared in (unless they start to bring that one into New Century)

I think those are just coloring errors.

I welcome recolors but I prefer they get renames rather than just Blankmon (Black).

 

[DPTronazel]

Alt colors of Digimon that are released for no other reason than a game-mechanic can stay lost.

I'm honestly pretty torn.

On one hand, I wish digimon could randomly have alternate colors without suddenly being a new species like blue headed Astamon

Reminds me of the brown Bearmon who shows up more in the anime than the black one who had like, two animated appearances while the brown got three. It also shows up in the card game too.

I remember the only time the brown variant shows up in a game was only Masters it appeared in (unless they start to bring that one into New Century)

I think those are just coloring errors.

I welcome recolors but I prefer they get renames rather than just Blankmon (Black).

I don't think it's a coloring error, unless your talking about it appearing in the cards? I strangely feel like someone wished Bearmon had a different color and went with it, but that's how I always saw it as.

 

[Bancho]

I just always assumed that Bearmon is brown in the anime because it's really tricky to differentiate between black fur and black lineart and that, for whatever reason, that one TCG artist just decided to use that coloring

 

[Noni]

Honestly, it never occurred to me that Bearmon was colored differently till I read this thread. I just looked at the different ones in the anime, card game and games and went "yes, those are all Bearmon". Grey to brown just felt like an acceptable variation of it's coloration, I guess...

About the color variants, ideally I would prefer if they had at least one differing design detail, but if not, that at least other things like attribute, type and moves to be different. And most important, different lore. I want to know in what way those variants differ. Just give me something to work with and I will be quite open to them.

I would dislike if every single digimon got several recolors in the way that game did it, however. It feels low effort.

 

[CloneWarrior]

For context, those two have nothing to do with the game's attribute palette system, they are "proper" species with their own respective variants.
While the standard YukimiBotamon and Nyaromon are used in their usual Tailmon line, these two are the first two stages for the Elecmon line (notice how the blue/orange inverts Elecmon's color scheme) with RedV-dramon as the Adult and then splitting into AeroV-dramon => Goddramon or MetalTyranomon => Armagemon.

Is there a complete list of the evolution lines from D-Project somewhere?

 

[Sparrow Hawk]

I think Bearmon with brown fur might be discarded into black fur and decided to stick with it like how Alphamon ended up being confirmed to have colored black as they decided this over gray color. And I think it's hard to animate Bearmon with black fur at night at the movie.

Maybe it's better to have black and grizzly color furs for this Bearmon for the future so they could end up adding extra evo line for Bearmon for that brown fur to get new bear digimons. If it'd be nice for that case...

I find it weird Golemon PS1 still isn't getting any info despite being animated at Adventure 2020...

 

[Chimera-gui]

I find it weird Golemon PS1 still isn't getting any info despite being animated at Adventure 2020...

To be fair, they were constructs made by the Soundbirdmon rather than proper Digimon in 2020.

 

[Lord Bearmon]

I was looking up the sprites from Digital Monster: D-Project here
and I want to know your opinion on this PinkYukimiBetamon and BlueNyaromon. I don't know the context of them so if anyone knows...

For context, those two have nothing to do with the game's attribute palette system, they are "proper" species with their own respective variants.
While the standard YukimiBotamon and Nyaromon are used in their usual Tailmon line, these two are the first two stages for the Elecmon line (notice how the blue/orange inverts Elecmon's color scheme) with RedV-dramon as the Adult and then splitting into AeroV-dramon => Goddramon or MetalTyranomon => Armagemon.

Sounds like they deserve a page in Wikimon, or at least a mention in the image gallery like they did with the ReArise recolors.

 

[Kotekuma]

Why care if Bearmon is Black or Brown. If the animation style and characterization calls for a brown color versus a black color, why does that need to be called a new Digimon? Why does it need a separate entry. Why not just say sometimes Bearmon are brown and sometimes Bearmon are black?

 

[TMS]

Is there a complete list of the evolution lines from D-Project somewhere?

The one English guide we have (to my knowledge) is a little wonky, but this is what it seems to say:

Botamon > Koromon > Agumon > Greymon > MetalGreymon > WarGreymon
Botamon > Koromon > Agumon > Greymon > SkullGreymon > BlackWarGreymon

Punimon > Tsunomon > Gabumon > Garurumon > WereGarurumon > MetalGarurumon
Punimon > Tsunomon > Gabumon > Garurumon > Cerberumon > SaberLeomon

Chicomon > Chibimon > V-mon > XV-mon > Paildramon > Imperialdramon
Chicomon > Chibimon > V-mon > XV-mon > Magnamon > Imperialdramon Fighter Mode

Leafmon > Minomon > Wormmon > Stingmon > DinoBeemon > GranKuwagamon
Leafmon > Minomon > Wormmon > Stingmon > Okuwamon > HerakleKabuterimon

Poyomon > Tokomon > Patamon > Angemon > HolyAngemon > Seraphimon
Poyomon > Tokomon > Patamon > Angemon > Shakkoumon > Cherubimon

YukimiBotamon > Nyaromon > Plotmon > Tailmon > Angewomon > Ophanimon
YukimiBotamon > Nyaromon > Plotmon > Tailmon > Shakkoumon > Cherubimon

Jyarimon > Gigimon > Guilmon > Growmon > MegaloGrowmon > Dukemon
Jyarimon > Gigimon > Guilmon > Growmon > BlackMegaloGrowmon > ChaosDukemon

Relemon > Pokomon > Renamon > Kyubimon > Taomon > Sakuyamon
Relemon > Pokomon > Renamon > Kyubimon > Doumon > Kuzuhamon

Cocomon > Gummymon > Terriermon > Galgomon > Rapidmon > SaintGalgomon
Cocomon > Gummymon > Terriermon > Galgomon > BlackRapidmon > BlackSaintGalgomon

Zurumon > Pagumon > PicoDevimon > Devimon > Vamdemon > VenomVamdemon
Zurumon > Pagumon > PicoDevimon > Devimon > LadyDevimon > Diablomon

Mokumon > PetiMeramon > Impmon > Devidramon > Mummymon > Beelzebumon
Mokumon > PetiMeramon > Impmon > Devidramon > Archnemon > Apocalymon

Nyokimon > Pyokomon > Kunemon > Airdramon > Kumbhiramon > Xuanwumon
Nyokimon > Pyokomon > Kunemon > Airdramon > Andiramon > Qinglongmon
Nyokimon > Pyokomon > Kunemon > Airdramon > Indaramon > Zhuqiaomon
Nyokimon > Pyokomon > Kunemon > Airdramon > Sinduramon > Baihumon

YukimiBotamon > Nyaromon > Elecmon > RedV-dramon > AeroV-dramon > Goddramon
YukimiBotamon > Nyaromon > Elecmon > RedV-dramon > MetalTyrannomon > Armagemon

Pitchmon > Pukamon > Shakomon > Rukamon > Whamon > MarineAngemon
Pitchmon > Pukamon > Shakomon > Rukamon > MegaSeadramon > MetalSeadramon

Agumon's Ultimate + Gabumon's Ultimate = Omegamon
V-mon's Ultimate + Wormmon's Ultimate = Imperialdramon Paladin Mode
Patamon's Ultimate + Tailmon's Ultimate = Holydramon
Guilmon's Ultimate + Renamon's Ultimate + Terriermon's Ultimate = Dukemon Crimson Mode
Impmon's Ultimate + PicoDevimon's Ultimate = Beelzebumon Blast Mode

Agumon + Spirit of Flame = Agnimon
Greymon + Spirit of Flame = Agnimon

Gabumon + Spirit of Light = Wolfmon
Garurumon + Spirit of Light = Wolfmon

Patamon + Spirit of Ice = Chackmon
Angemon + Spirit of Ice = Chackmon

Plotmon + Spirit of Wind = Fairimon
Tailmon + Spirit of Wind = Fairimon

Wormmon + Spirit of Thunder = Blitzmon
Stingmon + Spirit of Thunder = Blitzmon

 

[Bancho]

Why care if Bearmon is Black or Brown. If the animation style and characterization calls for a brown color versus a black color, why does that need to be called a new Digimon? Why does it need a separate entry. Why not just say sometimes Bearmon are brown and sometimes Bearmon are black?

I agree with this. I think Digimon should have both recolor species and color variants within the same species with this example obviously falling better under same species color variation rather than retconning it so we have two near-identical species of Bearmon running around for no reason

 

[Sparrow Hawk]

Well Savers version Child ones did happened...?

 

[DPTronazel]

Why care if Bearmon is Black or Brown. If the animation style and characterization calls for a brown color versus a black color, why does that need to be called a new Digimon? Why does it need a separate entry. Why not just say sometimes Bearmon are brown and sometimes Bearmon are black?

I agree with this. I think Digimon should have both recolor species and color variants within the same species with this example obviously falling better under same species color variation rather than retconning it so we have two near-identical species of Bearmon running around for no reason

It's not like I wanted them to be entirely separate species, it's just something I noticed.

Well Savers version Child ones did happened...?

Those are redesigns and have some differences.

 

[Sparrow Hawk]

Redesigns... Yeah... Total pointless "redesigns". I'd say it's more of Extra versions....

Whatever. I still question Golemon PS1 not getting one despite even if it was made from Soundbirmon, then how do you explain Burpmon magically appeared and got profile?! And HolyAngemon Preist Mode magically appeared so shortly and did he get one? Nope... I could never understand how they handle this way. Bandai.

Say, so Buu no longer is "Lost"? They gave him colored image.

 

[Yamato-san]

@Bancho for me it’s a matter of intent. Black variants and variants induced by the environment like Muchomon and Guardromon (Gold) are fine, though the latter is edging the line, because there is a precedent for this kind of variation.

The straight palette swaps that exist for purely gameplay reasons like the player two palettes in the original Rumble Arena or the DW3 palettes are where I have a harder time justifying their existence.

Player-2 fighting game recolors I could understand, and maybe D-Project's attribute variations to a lesser extent, but were DW3's recolors really done just for gameplay purposes? I mean, sure, they could get more enemy characters simply by recoloring existing Digimon models, but what was really stopping them from expanding the variety of unique Digimon you could encounter? God knows there were plenty of models from Digimon World 2 and potentially other PS1 games that went unused in 3. In fact, they didn't seem to mind making several new models anyway (I think DW3 may've been the 3D debut of numerous Wonderswan and Ver.S Digimon which were strangely absent in DW2, to say nothing of the many originals 3 introduced). Point is, they had several options already available to keep the pool of enemies varied, yet they opted to include recolors anyway. Though, I do find it weird that they didn't at least consider naming the recolored Digimon something different (you know, much like the first Digimon World did).