Random Commentary on Evolutionary Relationships V.5

Mattman324

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not to mention that ZiegGreymon was clearly designed to Digivolve from DeckerGreymon specifically, hence the right arm being a cannon
Also, this.

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Feel you kind of have to bring up this promo art when discussing Deckergreymon's connection to Zekegreymon, given, you know, the Decker coloration.

also deckergreymon has to be Perfect because Megadeckergreymon is the Ultimate version, checkmate athiests :V
 

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Ikunmon seems to be a made up name. There's no name listed on the advertisement it was shown on.
 
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The first connections I thought for the new digimon,Ikunmon evolution of Huankunshou
I'm still confused as to why they still keep hawkmon while the other 02 kids have already debuted in the game.

I'm glad that lately there are a lot of digimon that look like hawkmon evolutions.

Lately, digimon makes me very happy by exploring neglected digimons but still connecting them with popular digimon.
 

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I have not seen Huankunshou before now but it 100% looks like a jogress of those digimon (although less so Tyilinmon)
Tylinmon is probably better as a straight up pre-evo, seeing as both are Kirin.
 

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Ikunmon seems to be a made up name. There's no name listed on the advertisement it was shown on.
read the name on twitter,if it's made up at least it was not made up by me ehe
 

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The first connections I thought for the new digimon,Ikunmon evolution of Huankunshou
The new digimon is perfect to be the Valkrymon of the line if Griffomon is the Silphymon.
I like the first line.
 

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I do think Magpiemon - Yatagaramon - New digimon "MarineTylinGriffomon" flow goes so well!

I mean, that new Griffo digimon got fish scales on Tylin skin and the golden helmet and the third leg evolved into four legs! And Yatagaramon's bells and loincloth with symbols are pretty japanese-ish.
 

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Ikunmon seems to be a made up name. There's no name listed on the advertisement it was shown on.
read the name on twitter,if it's made up at least it was not made up by me ehe
yeah i mean we havent even gotten a proper "Mon" name for Huankunshou as far as i'm aware- it'll most likely be "Huankunmon" since Xiqueshou became Xiquemon

But then again I'm just thankful we did NOT get BingKongLingzhumon
BiLongmon, CaanLongmon could of been fine but yeah ... Bingkonglingzhumon is a mouthful. (note that long name is Hexeblaumon's chinese name apparently, Ice Sky Lord Beast or something like that)
 

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DeckerGreymon was always a bridge between Greymon and ZeigGreymon

You say a lot of stuff without backing it up.

DeckerGreymon has never even evolved into ZekeGreymon.

It having a gun arm can easily be chalked up to them just wanting to have an arm that slots into OmegaShoutmon well for Shoutmon DX. And that magazine coloration is just one in a long line of magazine miscolorations.

And Shoutmon X5 is literally just X4 with a new helmet, arm-mounted weapon and jet pack; that it has a higher Level than its previous form can come down to any number of explanations.

I cannot wrap my head around how you can say all of this and not realize you could easily apply this same logic to DeckerGreymon.

You're not actually justifying why they're different cases. You're just saying "Shoutmon X5 is a higher level than X4 and DeckerGreymon isn't a higher level than MetalGreymon and this is obviously how it was always going to be."

You're starting from the conclusion and picking and choosing your rationale based on it.

MadLeomon Armed Mode is stated to be no stronger than regular MadLeomon

Boy I would love a source for that.

The thing is that Level V Digimon have been depicted depicted in leadership roles like Arukenimon and KingSukamon and there is even a group of unique Level V Digimon, the Deva. Not to mention we’ve seen Level V Digimon on equal footing with Level VI ones and even the Demon Lords have a Level V among their ranks who’s even the de facto leader of the group.

Lucemon’s line may break convention but that doesn’t change the fact that Fallen Mode is Level V.

The existence of exceptions does not invalidate the established rule nor does it dictate the rule.

I like how your rationale for one argument totally contradicts your rationale for another.

If Lucemon "breaking the established rule" for mode changes all being the same level means we should ignore it and pretend there's an established rule, then how the hell does Lucemon "breaking the rule" that groups full of Level 6s don't have lower-leveled members mean we should assume this will always be the case going forward.

The Death Generals/Big Death-Stars were designed for Xros Wars. They're specifically a group of Digimon that lead a bunch of armies and were established to be around the same power level in the anime.

So going "Well, it actually makes perfect sense for half of them to be a lower level and everyone who didn't expect that wasn't paying attention" is so pompous.

Let’s end this conversation now, I don’t want to be going in circles the whole day and I’m sure the administrators don’t want to see that either.

Fine, this is my last post on the topic.
 

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Demon: "So it is finally born! The Super Ultimate who will destroy the world! Super Ultimate is a classification that is sometimes given to certain exceptionally powerful Ultimate Digimon who surpass the standards of power of conventional Ultimates. Officially, in the franchise as a whole, Super Ultimate is seen only as a title ascribed to such powerful Ultimates which signifies that exceptional power, and it is not regarded as a genuine canonical Evolution Stage. Despite this, however, some media does include it as a separate, seventh Evolution Stage."
Nidhoggmon: *Standing ovation*
 

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I mean,it is kind of undeniable that at the end of the day they are all still classified as ''Ultimate'' at the reference book.
Exactly.

Whatever other media has to say, these quote “Super Ultimate” Digimon will still be classified as Level VI should they ever be added to the Encyclopedia.

This is bizarre since it both relies on an assumption that the encyclopedia might do a specific thing, and insinuates that other Digimon media are factually incorrect if they contradict the encyclopedia.
 

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I mean,it is kind of undeniable that at the end of the day they are all still classified as ''Ultimate'' at the reference book.
Exactly.
Whatever other media has to say, these quote “Super Ultimate” Digimon will still be classified as Level VI should they ever be added to the Encyclopedia.

This is bizarre since it both relies on an assumption that the encyclopedia might do a specific thing, and insinuates that other Digimon media are factually incorrect if they contradict the encyclopedia.
I don't think other media are incorrect but Digimon tends to be unconsistent,and the digimon reference book is indeed a ''REFERENCE BOOK'',it is meant to be where you go when you need to know the level of a digimon,and I think if it says ''Ultimate'' instead of ''Super Ultimate'' is for a reason.
Multiple digimon that are supposed to be ''Super Ultimate'' had evolved directly from Perfect level,for example Rafflesimon,TyrantKabuterimon,Examon or Aegisdramon(it is also true that some hasn't tho,and always had evolved from other Ultimates,like Armagemon),so I just like to think Super Ultimate digimon as digimon that are sooo strong that they can also be evolved forms of other Ultimate digimon,I just love not taking levels seriously so I'm sorry to anyone that thinks differently,that's just my personal prefference,i've always loved things like armor digimon or spirits that can be considered different level,because you have so many more evolution options,so I'll keep going with using Super Ultimate digimon as both evolution of Perfect and Ultimate digimon.
I remember someone on reddit being really mad and annoying about me using RagnaLordmon as a direct evolution from Aegidramon SM and I just personally don't get it,Why should I not consider RagnaLordmon as an Ultimate level digimon(and therefore as a possible evolution for Perfect level digimon)if its official profile says he is indeed Ultimate?I understand he is officially the evolution of two combined Ultimates,therefore ''Super Ultimate'',but I just find that argument really annoying and it doesn't really makes sense,Why should I worry about a theoretical level that is not even considered in the reference book?You can think ''Super Ultimate'' level exists but I don't think they're actually seperate from Ultimates when they're not even seperated in the reference book,if they wanted them to be an actual different level they would have just made a new category,but they didn't,so they actually want us to think them as only Ultimate for some reason,and like,Rafflesimon and Examon are also fusions of Ultimates and they have evolved from perfect level digimon many times,and Tyrantkabuterimon is a pretty common evolution for both HerculesKabuterimon and MetallifeKabuterimon,so I don't get the big deal,and I think other media like manga or anime just used the ''Super Ultimate'' thing for hype,when it really just is Ultimates evolving into stronger Ultimates.srry if it's too much text.
 

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Multiple digimon that are supposed to be ''Super Ultimate'' had evolved directly from Perfect level,for example Rafflesimon,TyrantKabuterimon,Examon or Aegisdramon(it is also true that some hasn't tho,and always had evolved from other Ultimates,like Armagemon),

Were any of these actually called "Super Ultimate" in their source? Armagemon evolved from a swarm of Babys rather than Diablomon, for one, and I don't recall that movie actually discussing his level. And it seems Tyrant Kabuterimon came from the Accel VPet where you get him from a Jogress of two Perfects.
 

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tbh Super Ultimate is easy for me to get: a Lv. 7 or upper subtier of elites Lv. 6s, if you want to call it Super Ultimate or not, is an optional thing any work that has Digimon can utilize if they want to. Otherwise, Lv. 6 (Ultimate/Mega) is the cap by default if you choose to not want the concept of Super Ultimate in your work. People really put way too much thought and emotions into it beyond that. It's supposed to be a fun optional tool, guys.

I think the reference book is way better when you don't see it as a rule bible but instead a collection of writing prompts to fuel creativity and to alter if needed if you feel it will enhance your story. I think people just aren't used to that because a lot of other popular franchises treat their reference materials as rule bibles
 

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Multiple digimon that are supposed to be ''Super Ultimate'' had evolved directly from Perfect level,for example Rafflesimon,TyrantKabuterimon,Examon or Aegisdramon(it is also true that some hasn't tho,and always had evolved from other Ultimates,like Armagemon),

Were any of these actually called "Super Ultimate" in their source? Armagemon evolved from a swarm of Babys rather than Diablomon, for one, and I don't recall that movie actually discussing his level. And it seems Tyrant Kabuterimon came from the Accel VPet where you get him from a Jogress of two Perfects.
Armageddemon is literally called a Super-Ultimate Digimon in the very first line just before noting that it was born from a mutation caused by fusing massive numbers of Diaboromon’s Babies.

The English version even translates Super Ultimate as Ultra which is the name for Super Ultimate in English media.

But yes I completely agree with gerocabral and @Bancho regarding Super Ultimate.

I do think the Encyclopedia is the closest thing we have to a proper series bible in addition to being the equivalent of a monster manual in Dungeons & Dragons hence why fans treat it as the former more often than as the latter.
 

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tbh Super Ultimate is easy for me to get: a Lv. 7 or upper subtier of elites Lv. 6s, if you want to call it Super Ultimate or not, is an optional thing any work that has Digimon can utilize if they want to. Otherwise, Lv. 6 (Ultimate/Mega) is the cap by default if you choose to not want the concept of Super Ultimate in your work. People really put way too much thought and emotions into it beyond that. It's supposed to be a fun optional tool, guys.

I think the reference book is way better when you don't see it as a rule bible but instead a collection of writing prompts to fuel creativity and to alter if needed if you feel it will enhance your story. I think people just aren't used to that because a lot of other popular franchises treat their reference materials as rule bibles
exactly,Super Ultimate it's just a fun optional tool,I don't understand why people want to make it the biggest rule ever and make it so you can't just use them as regular Ultimate.
 

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So, this is a project that I've been working on for a bit, and sharing in the Discord server as I go along, but it was done with a view to sharing it here. In Digimon World 3, there is an internal collectible card game. There is no evolution in the card game per se, but if you play three or more of the same Digimon at once, it results in a "combo" that (temporarily? I haven't actually played it) gives you another Digimon, and many of these combos are clearly references to well-known evolution lines. Others are not evolutions that exist elsewhere in the franchise, but very well could. My idea was to make all these card evolutions into visual evolution trees, and you can see the results at the link below.


A few notes here. Getting a combo with a Child or Adult Digimon results in a Perfect Digimon (unless it's V-dramon, which combos to Imperialdramon). For simplicity's sake, I've combined all Digimon that share a combo form into the same branch of a tree. Example:

Agumon x3 = MetalGreymon
Greymon x3 = MetalGreymon
MetalGreymon x3 = WarGreymon
Full line: Agumon > Greymon > MetalGreymon > WarGreymon

Because of this setup, each tree ends in a single Ultimate (except in cases where a species gets multiple cards). The last image in the linked gallery shows all the Ultimates that are left out because of this; there weren't enough Digimon to evolve into them. Note also that there are a few oddities in the levels that Digimon are assigned:

BlackKingNumemon = Ultimate
BlackMegaloGrowmon = Ultimate
MarineDevimon = Adult
SuperStarmon = Ultimate

Finally, cards in the game are divided into six colors: White, Blue, Green, Red, Black, and Brown. The Digimon names in the images are color-coded, though I've changed some of the colors to make them easier to read/differentiate and to better match their counterpart colors in the Digimon Card Game. Specifically I changed White to Yellow, Black to Purple, and Brown to Gray. Digimon with two colors in their name are the ones that got two different cards representing them.

I've said enough for now, but I'd be interested to hear what comments everyone has to make on these "lost" evolutionary relationships!
 

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I've said enough for now, but I'd be interested to hear what comments everyone has to make on these "lost" evolutionary relationships!
Some of them remind me of the World 2 evolution tree, which isn't that odd really.
 

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Would like feedback on this. I'm also curious as to what good Adult-stage Digimon would fit with this line. I was thinking Morishellmon due to it connecting to the jungle theme of Toropiamon and sharing yellow eyes and green palette with them as well as Mervamon
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