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Very few official profiles ever mention their power-levels in the first place. Not to mention, Lucemon X's profile clearly emphasized how Lucemon X surpasses the old Lucemon in every category (appearance, power, and intelligence), and how he achieved ultimate wisdom and power.

Lucemon X's profile doesn't even really mention Falldown Mode either. It mentions what is specifically relevant to Lucemon X, not FM or SM.
 

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Very few official profiles ever mention their power-levels in the first place. Not to mention, Lucemon X's profile clearly emphasized how Lucemon X surpasses the old Lucemon in every category (appearance, power, and intelligence), and how he achieved ultimate wisdom and power.

Lucemon X's profile doesn't even really mention Falldown Mode either. It mentions what is specifically relevant to Lucemon X, not FM or SM.
yeah, but not mentioning satan mode in it is just banal. They not naming it Lucemon Falldown Mode (X Antibody) like how they did with Ophanimon is already a mistake, though.
 

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It's not a mistake that Lucemon X is an Ultimate-level Digimon. He is an Ultimate Digimon in the Digital Monster X2. DarkKnightmon X is a similar situation, where the X-evolution increased DarkKnightmon's level to Ultimate.

To be fair, all of Lucemon's evolutions are mode changes. Lucemon, Lucemon FM, and Lucemon SM are all still Lucemon. Lucemon X isn't exactly an outlier in the evolution line. Technically, Lucemon X would also be Lucemon SM's X-Antibody counterpart too.
At least in DarkKnightmon X profile it's explained why it jumped into Ultimate level, but Lucemon X isn't explained at all. If Luce X would also be a part of Lucemon SM, they should've mentioned Satan Mode in the profile.

Also oh geez, the lineup of Digital Monster X2 is pretty messed up tbh
I mean, they didn't explain why Jesmon X is a Vaccine type, for some reason. Or that Armor Digimon become Champion level when they X-Evolve.

I guess the X-Antibody can just change things now.

And some media has Satan Mode as Super Ultimate, so you could just go Falldown -> X - SatanMode.

Then again, Lucemon X is SU in the X2 anyway.
 

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It's not a mistake that Lucemon X is an Ultimate-level Digimon. He is an Ultimate Digimon in the Digital Monster X2. DarkKnightmon X is a similar situation, where the X-evolution increased DarkKnightmon's level to Ultimate.

To be fair, all of Lucemon's evolutions are mode changes. Lucemon, Lucemon FM, and Lucemon SM are all still Lucemon. Lucemon X isn't exactly an outlier in the evolution line. Technically, Lucemon X would also be Lucemon SM's X-Antibody counterpart too.
At least in DarkKnightmon X profile it's explained why it jumped into Ultimate level, but Lucemon X isn't explained at all. If Luce X would also be a part of Lucemon SM, they should've mentioned Satan Mode in the profile.

Also oh geez, the lineup of Digital Monster X2 is pretty messed up tbh
I mean, they didn't explain why Jesmon X is a Vaccine type, for some reason. Or that Armor Digimon become Champion level when they X-Evolve.

I guess the X-Antibody can just change things now.

And some media has Satan Mode as Super Ultimate, so you could just go Falldown -> X - SatanMode.

Then again, Lucemon X is SU in the X2 anyway.
1. Jesmon not being explained as a Vaccine is my initial complaint against Bandai staffs' incompetency.
2. Armor equals to adult level, it's clear in card game, except some special one like Magnamon. They should've also known that for hybrid levels.
3. Ultimate and Super Ultimate were initially same level. Heck, Lucemon even leaping 2 stages into Falldown mode. I just need explanation why X Antibody can make Lucemon Falldown becoming an Ultimate level. If they can explain it like DarkKnightmon, why not Lucemon?
 

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DarkKnightmon X doesn't even really explain anything. It just states that the X-Antibody increased his level to Ultimate. Meanwhile, Lucemon X's profile is several times more descriptive in how the X-Antibody increased Lucemon's power in all areas far beyond his original limits, surpassing even God himself.

I don't understand why you're so hung up on this.

As you've stated, Falldown Mode jumped two stages, yet his official profile mentions nothing about this or about him being Perfect-level. It just states that FM has power that surpasses Ultimate-level and rivals the power of God. You don't have any complaints about FM's profile? Do you draw the line at not explicitly stating a difference in level for yet another "mode change" that explicitly describes how Lucemon X is even stronger than FM and surpasses God instead of formerly rivaling God?
 

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I love Numemon X... Making his teeth more carnivorous looking keeps the tone of having X Digimon be more ferocious than their non-X counterpart, but with the over-the-top X formed by his eye stalks (he's literally cross eyed now), the pink color and small familiars the design has enough weird and silly things to keep the goofy nature of his original design.
I find it very interesting that Numemon's color changed completely, and it's also a color that hasn't been used for any of the previous Numemon recolors we've had through other subspecies as well as Digimon World 3... If that was indeed on purpose, this gives me a faint hope that they are still aware and keeping track of these recolors and maybe, just maybe they could be reused at some point...

I hope they say those Numemons are baby Numemons called KoNumemon like with KoDokugumon and KoHagurumon, would be pretty neat
The profile mentions them but they are simply called "small Numemon"

Impmon is a very interesting case, as nothing about his body seems to have structurally changed beyond the recolored eye and all the design alterations limit themselves to modifying/adding to his outfit. I also like how he has an X mark "naturally" formed in his design by the straps on his eyepatch. He's a bit too much of an generic edgelord for me though.

The official artwork depicts Impmon X having a red exposed eye, so it is unknown if the heterochromia was retained, or if both of his eyes are red now.
If he's ever featured in a game the model might let us take a peak behind that eyepatch to find out...

Cherubimon X is one of my favourites out of the whole batch after Numemon X. I love how he is made to look more artificial and mechanical without completely changing into sci-fi robot territory and how closely his silhouette still reflects his original form, making it very different in its details but somewhat subtle overall. The sphere of dark energy part of his lower body transformed into reminds me of Lucemon SM's Gehenna... I hope that maybe a parallel might be drawn between the two officially at some point.


Ophanimon Falldown Mode X is nice to see especially since I believe it's the first time we got a X form of a mode change that's still recognized as a mode change (as both Lucemon and Belphemon lose their "Mode" classifications after X evolving), but design wise there's nothing actually exciting here. After all the normal Ophanimon FM was already a very detailed design with very elaborate armor... and her X-form just adds a bunch of spikes and calls it a day, and her scythe becoming apparently laser based when it could already be wreathed in flames doesn't seem like much of an upgrade.

Lol I'm convinced they hate Patamon. We get Ophanimon FM and Cherubimon Vice but no Shadow Seraphimon.
I don't think they particularly hate him, it's just that ShadowSeraphimon is a very obscure Digimon, while Ophanimon FM is not only newer but also gained more prominence through her appearance in tri. recently. She's also one of very few fitting Ultimates for LadyDevimon X whereas there are plenty of generic male type ultimate X Digimon.
 

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DarkKnightmon X gained a level because of X Antibody's effect. Lucemon X's level moved up because of X Antibody's effect although it lost "Mode".

Pretty cool for X Antibody's effects to affect "Level classification" outside of Digimon bodies/Battle techniques/Additional Weaponry/Adaptions

but I really do question on Ofanimon Falldown Mode X still kept "Falldown Mode" while Lucemon X lost it. Digimon Logic is just too strong.
 

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It is important to note that Lucemon FM and Ophanimon FM are completely different circumstances. Ophanimon FM is a distinct variant to the regular Ophanimon. The two can technically be considered to be separate Digimon (like WarGreymon and BlackWarGreymon) and don't necessarily need to be tied together. A Digimon doesn't need to be able to evolve to Ophanimon in order to become Ophanimon FM, just like Tri's Tailmon.

Lucemon FM is not a subspecies to regular Lucemon. Lucemon FM is an evolution of Lucemon; the natural progression of Lucemon, not a variant/subspecies/counterpart. Likewise, Belphemon X doesn't have the Rage Mode tag. Most likely because RM and SM are the same Digimon, not separate subspecies/variants.
 

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DarkKnightmon X doesn't even really explain anything. It just states that the X-Antibody increased his level to Ultimate. Meanwhile, Lucemon X's profile is several times more descriptive in how the X-Antibody increased Lucemon's power in all areas far beyond his original limits, surpassing even God himself.

I don't understand why you're so hung up on this.

As you've stated, Falldown Mode jumped two stages, yet his official profile mentions nothing about this or about him being Perfect-level. It just states that FM has power that surpasses Ultimate-level and rivals the power of God. You don't have any complaints about FM's profile? Do you draw the line at not explicitly stating a difference in level for yet another "mode change" that explicitly describes how Lucemon X is even stronger than FM and surpasses God instead of formerly rivaling God?
yes, but jumping two stages isn't anything wrong since there's thing called warp evolution. Gaining X Antibody doesn't increase digimon's stage, except if it's described in the profile regarding the effect of X Antibody possession. Why complaining about Lucemon FM profile if there are many digimon which surpassed the power of same stages, like Lucemon (child) that exceeding Perfect level power or AeroVdramon that can keep fight with even Ultimate level. You remember Arkadimon? It was the same as well. What's the problem with Mode Change if Imperialdramon Paladin Mode (yeah a mode change) is considered super ultimate than the ultimate only fighter mode? Remember Crimson Mode? Blast Mode?

But then I really think that if they want X Antibody being an evolution, they should've named the digimon possessing the X Antibody as a different name, i.e. DinoTigermon as an evolution from SaberLeomon with X Antibody possession or GigaSeadramon from MetalSeadramon.

It is important to note that Lucemon FM and Ophanimon FM are completely different circumstances. Ophanimon FM is a distinct variant to the regular Ophanimon. The two can technically be considered to be separate Digimon (like WarGreymon and BlackWarGreymon) and don't necessarily need to be tied together. A Digimon doesn't need to be able to evolve to Ophanimon in order to become Ophanimon FM, just like Tri's Tailmon.

Lucemon FM is not a subspecies to regular Lucemon. Lucemon FM is an evolution of Lucemon; the natural progression of Lucemon, not a variant/subspecies/counterpart. Likewise, Belphemon X doesn't have the Rage Mode tag. Most likely because RM and SM are the same Digimon, not separate subspecies/variants.
eh, not really. Ophanimon FM is not a variant of Ophanimon, it's an evolution as well, a dark evolution, just like BlackSeraphimon or ShineGreymon Ruin Mode. Belphemon is another difference, but for Belphemon itself even the naming already included mode change from first "sleep mode vs rage mode" just like imperialdramon "dragon mode vs fighter mode", if one day they named Imperialdramon X based on fighter mode, I don't mind, since there's no Imperialdramon with no mode change name, as well as there's no Belphemon name without Mode Change. Cherubimon is different story since there's 2 variant "Virtue" and "Vice", the Vice one wasn't named Cherubimon Falldown Mode. The Wargrey vs BWargrey case you mentioned is more correspondent with Cherubimon case rather than Ophanimon.


digimon is really inconsistent with its lore, and they don't even try to make it more consistent, geez. I really hate the new Bandai's creative team for digimon
 
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Your reasonings have a lot of unfair double-standards and/or contradictions.

Even if there are other examples of Warp Evolution, Warp Evolution is not mentioned at all in Lucemon FM's profile. How is that any different from Lucemon X's situation with DarkKnightmon X? It has never been a stated fact that X-Antibody cannot change a Digimon's level; that is an fan-made assumption that just hasn't been disproven until now. Rather, it's been disproven already with Armor Digimon, and now with DarkKnightmon X and Lucemon X. Bandai has proven that they will change an X-Antibody Digimon's level to what is most appropriate to the circumstances.

This isn't about me complaining; this is about your complaints. This isn't even about the inequality of Lucemon's power in relation to its level, so I don't know why you're focusing on that. You are completely missing the point.
This is about Lucemon's clear and explicit increase in strength from Lucemon > Lucemon FM > Lucemon X. Lucemon has power that surpasses Perfect-level. Lucemon FM has power that surpasses Ultimate-level and rivals God. Lucemon X has power that surpasses Lucemon FM and transcends God.
There is a clearly defined progression, so what is wrong with a progressing level? Since you evidently have no issues with Lucemon>Lucemon FM when their profiles make no mentions of Lucemon's own level, just his power; why do you have an issue with Lucemon FM>Lucemon X when it does the same thing, doesn't mention his level but clearly mentions his increasing power and strength?

Why are you lecturing me about your own issue? I have absolutely no issues with "mode changes" increasing levels. You evidently do, as Lucemon X is basically a "mode change" to Lucemon FM, as Lucemon FM is to Lucemon. You are being contradictory by bringing up instances where Digimon with the same name, or Digimon that are modes of each other, have various different levels; yet you treat Lucemon X completely different. Lucemon's entire evolution line is about mode changes that increase levels. Why do you have an issue with Lucemon X alone?

You are clearly missing the point with Ophanimon FM too. Yes, Ophanimon FM is a variant of Ophanimon. If you want to be semantic about "dark evolutions," Cherubimon Vice can be a dark evolution of Cherubimon Virtue. After all, Virtue is the original state of Cherubimon, not Vice. Evidently, the Digimon X2 treats them the same, since they're both corrupted Celestial Digimon with new X-Antibodies and they both occupy the same spot in opposing colored versions. All X-Antibodies are technically evolutions too, X-evolutions specifically.
Not all Ophanimons are capable of falling down. And even among the ones that do, not all of them become Ophanimon FM, as shown by Lilithmon. Neither of them are necessarily stronger than the other; neither of them are natural progressing evolutions of the other. It's just a matter of evil vs good, not Child vs Perfect. Ophanimon can be an independent existence from Ophanimon FM, like Rasielmon is to Raguelmon. It's not a guaranteed that a Digimon that can evolve to Ophanimon, has to evolve to Ophanimon FM too. Likewise, a Digimon can evolve straight to Ophanimon Falldown Mode without evolving to a non-fallen Ophanimon, as shown by Tri.

Expanding on your misused example of ShineGreymon Ruin Mode, it's not a situation of ShineGreymon and ShineGreymon Ruin Mode. It's a situation of ShineGreymon Burst Mode and ShineGreymon Ruin Mode. They are distinct counterparts to each other, not necessarily tied to each other. Yes, Ruin Mode can be a corruption of Burst Mode, and Burst Mode can be a purification of Ruin Mode. However, both can be independent modes that evolve straight from normal ShineGreymon, with no relation to the other mode. That's not the case with Belphemon. Regardless of whether a Digimon evolves to Rage Mode or Sleep Mode, it is always expected to have the other mode too. You can't have one without the other. Likewise, Lucemon doesn't have a non-Falldown Mode Perfect. A Perfect-level Lucemon will always be Lucemon FM.
 
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yes, but jumping two stages isn't anything wrong since there's thing called warp evolution.
By that logic, Lucemon FM going up one level also isn’t a problem since regular evolution exists. Mode changes usually don’t change levels except in Lucemon’s case, so another type of evolution that doesn’t usually increase levels increasing the level of his X variant should not be entirely surprising, when his line literally consists of similar exceptions.

What's the problem with Mode Change if Imperialdramon Paladin Mode (yeah a mode change) is considered super ultimate than the ultimate only fighter mode? Remember Crimson Mode? Blast Mode?
The comparison doesn’t work because “Super Ultimates” are still Ultimates, meaning none of the Digimon you listed actually changed their level. This concept has been explained multiple times, especially in the context of the profile lore… even the official charts for the V-pets include no separate classification for Super Ultimate, as they still fall under the Ultimate category.

eh, not really. Ophanimon FM is not a variant of Ophanimon, it's an evolution as well, a dark evolution, just like BlackSeraphimon or ShineGreymon Ruin Mode.
What? It’s not a variant of its original species because it’s similar to two other Digimon that are very clearly variants of their original species? How a Digimon evolves into something doesn’t really matter for a distinction between species. Agumon could warp evolve into Ruin mode and it wouldn’t make Ruin Mode anything less of an ShineGreymon Burst Mode variant.

I really hate the new Bandai's creative team for digimon
And what leads you to believe that the current lore is written by different people and when and why would you suggest this changeover has taken place?
 
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Your reasonings have a lot of unfair double-standards and/or contradictions.

Regardless of whether a Digimon evolves to Rage Mode or Sleep Mode, it is always expected to have the other mode too. You can't have one without the other. Likewise, Lucemon doesn't have a non-Falldown Mode Perfect. A Perfect-level Lucemon will always be Lucemon FM.
rage mode is a jogress in next order
 
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rage mode is a jogress in next order
You know what I meant. I meant it in a narrative sense, like how Omegamon is always a Jogress of WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon; even though several media have depicted Omegamon evolving from a completely different pair of Digimon, evolving straight from WarGreymon without Jogressing, etc.
 
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I just got back from work and it's 2am so I'll continue the Demon Lords tomorrow...I'll throw these up for now:

Impmon X-Antibody
Child/Small Devil/Virus
■X抗体によるインプモンのデジコアへの影響
X抗体を獲得したことで自身の強さに自信を持ち、孤高の存在を気取るようになった。眼帯とマフラーは孤高たる表れと本人が思って付けていて、眼帯を外したとき真の力が発揮されると本人は思っている…が、特に技が強くなるといった変化はないようだ。必殺技は、召喚した炎と氷のエレメンタルに相手を執拗に追わせる『サモンチェイサー』。攻撃だけではなくドッキリなどに利用できる。
*The effect on Impmon's Digicore due to the X-Antibody
It grew confident in its own strength after obtaining the X-Antibody, causing it to start acting aloof. It wears an eyepatch and a scarf, believing that they contribute to its aloof aura; removing its eyepatch will allow it to unleash its true power...which is what Impmon assumes, though that does not appear to have any actual effect on the strength of its techniques. Its Special Move is summoning flame and ice elementals to chase the opponent persistently (Summon Chaser). It can be used not just for attacking, but for pranks as well.

Ofanimon: Falldown Mode X-Antibody
Ultimate/Fallen Angel/Vaccine
■X抗体によるオファニモン:フォールダウンモードのデジコアへの影響
複数体を相手にできるよう『フレイムヘルサイズ』が両側に炎を纏う大鎌となるなど武装が増した。なかでも周囲に浮かぶ3つの『ビヘッドスラッシャー』は敵の攻撃を防いだり、敵を追尾して切り刻む。さらに炎を纏わせれば攻撃力が飛躍する。一騎当千の力を得て、一向に減らない正義の弊害を自身だけで駆逐する。
*The effect on Ofanimon: Falldown Mode's Digicore due to the X-Antibody
It better equipped itself to take on multiple enemies at once, such as by turning its "Flame Hellscythe" into a giant scythe engulfed in flames on both ends. Of note are the three "Behead Slashers" floating around it that help defend it against enemy attacks, as well as pursue the enemy and slice them apart. Not only that, their attack power rises significantly when they are enveloped in flames. Having gained the power to take on an entire army, it continues its extermination of the neverending threats to justice alone.

Cherubimon (Vice) X-Antibody
Ultimate/Cherub/Vaccine
■X抗体によるケルビモン(悪)のデジコアへの影響
腹部に無限の闇エネルギーを蓄積し、闇を操る術を身につけた。暗黒球を膨張させ、触れた者の意識を闇の中に永久に閉じ込める『ダークネスプリズン』が得意技だ。三大天使からの転落により、究極の善を手放してしまったことへの嫉妬心が増し、自身を堕とした世界を憎んでいる。
*The effect on Cherubimon (Vice)'s Digicore due to the X-Antibody
Endless dark energy has accumulated in its abdomen, and it has learnt the art of manipulating darkness. Its Signature Move is is expanding its globe of darkness, eternally trapping the consciousness of anyone who comes into contact with it in darkness (Darkness Prison). Having been banished from its position as one of the Three Great Angels, it is filled with envy from losing the ultimate "Virtue" and hatred towards the world for causing its fall to this state.

Dark Tyranomon X-Antibody
Adult/Dinosaur/Virus
■X抗体によるダークティラノモンのデジコアへの影響
X抗体により力をコントロールする冷静さをもたらし、したたかに戦いを生き抜く器量が備わった。体内のウィルスを操作することで、肉体の一部を硬質化し緑色の炎を発することも出来るようになった。
必殺技は相手を掴んだ爪から緑の炎で敵を燃やす『フレイムスナッチ』。
*The effect on Dark Tyranomon's Digicore due to the X-Antibody
The X-Antibody has bestowed upon it the composure to control its own abilities, as well as the determination and strength to survive its battles. It is now able to harden a portion of its flesh and even produce green flames by manipulating the virus within its body.
Its Special Move is gripping the opponent in its claws and causing green flames to erupt from them, burning the opponent (Flame Snatch).

Dark Knightmon X-Antibody
Ultimate/Dark Knight/Virus
■X抗体によるダークナイトモンのデジコアへの影響
より一体のデジモンとしての力量が跳ね上がり究極体となった姿。悪の感情も増幅し世界を、さらには七大魔王の座すらも狙う。必殺技は「ヴォルテックスピア」から放つ竜巻で相手の四肢を潰す『クルーエルトルネード』と、ショルダーブレードとスピアを融合させた「サイクロンデスサイズ」を振るい、X字の斬撃で敵を割断する『デッドリーブレイクロスト』。
*The effect on Dark Knightmon's Digicore due to the X-Antibody
An increase in the power it possessed as a single Digimon caused it to reach the Ultimate level, resulting in this form. Its evil intentions have been amplified, and it now aims not only for the world but even for a place among the Seven Great Demon Lords. Its Special Moves are crushing the opponent's limbs with a tornado created by its "Vortex Spear" (Cruel Tornado), and fusing its shoulder blade and spear together to form the "Cyclone Deathscythe", which it uses to split the opponent apart with a cross-slash (Deadly Break Lost).

Numemon X-Antibody
Adult/Mollusk/Virus
■X抗体によるヌメモンのデジコアへの影響
体から垢が小さいヌメモンとなってこぼれ落ち、自身の周りに漂っている。X抗体を口の中から見せびらかすが、ヨダレまみれで奪おうと思うデジモンはいない。必殺技は小さいヌメモンと一斉にウンチを投げまくる『ウンチラッシュ』。しかし見た目に反して友達想いで、友達を守るため強い相手にも立ち向かう勇気を潜めている。
*The effect on Numemon's Digicore due to the X-Antibody
The grime on its body turn into tiny Numemon, which then fall off and float around the main body. Although it goes around flaunting the X-Antibody it holds in its mouth, it is so covered in drool that not a single Digimon would even think of stealing it. Its Special Move is throwing a barrage of poop together with its tiny Numemon all at once (Unchi Rush [Poop Rush]). Despite its appearance, however, it is actually a caring Digimon; it hides a courageous side and will stand against even formidable opponents for the sake of protecting its friends.
 

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You are truly a blessing for the fandom Garm! Thank you so much :3 I was trying to figure out what DarkKnightmon X's profile says for two days.

Some interesting tidbits. Impmon X is still a mischievous kid with a more baddass look. Ofanimon FM X & Cherubimon (Vice) X looks like a natural progression for both of them, same with DarkTyranomon X which makes me think of RustTyranomon. I guess the X-Antibody is what DarkKnightmon needed back then in order to defeat Bagramon for good. Also loving that he's looking for his place on the SGDL. About Numemon X, it is so hugeable! I guess it implies many Digimon would rather die in the Old Digital World before put their hands on Numemon's bouche LOL
 

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lololol Impmon X's profile. Its eyepatch is just only his imagination to look badass and lone wolf.

Oh good. No lightning related things for Cherubimon X but darkness prison? How scary. Weird it didn't explain his Persona-like puppet appearance...

Ofanimon Falldown Mode X's extra wheels reminds me of... Skeleton wheels. Plus to handle the entire armies like that. What badass!

Interestingly DarkKnightmon is Xros evolved of two Digimon ones yet this profile said it's a "single" digimon so weird. I'm sure Xros evolved ones tend to have multiple digimon speaking at once on their bodies right?

Numemon X knows Angler fish tactics to bait! RUN!
 

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Updated with the translations of the non-Demon Lords thanks to garm.
 

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Interestingly DarkKnightmon is Xros evolved of two Digimon ones yet this profile said it's a "single" digimon so weird. I'm sure Xros evolved ones tend to have multiple digimon speaking at once on their bodies right?
At least in Xros Wars, DeadlyAxemon was always submissive in the xros, the personality was all SkullKnightmon's. Perheaps the X-Antibody fused their digicores, making them a true singular entity?
 
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