Looking for advice on a Digimon fanfic regarding the usage of antagonist?

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So I was thinking about writing a Digimon fanfic for some time and I had in mind two antagonist I wanted to use. They are GranDracmon and a hacker group who use and get hijacked by Eater from Cyber Sleuth. Regarding the usage, i was wondering which of them to use first, the hacker group or GranDracmon. I had two scenarios in mind:

GranDracmon is the first antagonist, then the hackers, who are usurped by Eater.

The hackers are the first villains, then GranDracmon and then Eater, who has gained sentience.

Which should I go with?
 

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I don't think it necessarily matters which order they're in, but rather how your story arcs are structured. Think about what the first antagonist's role is and what their motives are, then give the next one a reason to show up.

The second scenario is closer to the typical Digimon formula, in that you have a seemingly smaller scaled villain or group of villains before the more powerful bad guys show up. If anything, your first scenario seems like it has more creative potential.

Either way, it's your story. Show us what you can do!
 

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Basically what the dude above said.
From a story standpoint, having the Hackers after GranDracmon implies that they're stronger than him, which is totally possibly, but you should think about how it all works, how the Hackers are a bigger threat, how it fits into the narrative.
 

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Well, the hackers are overtaken by eater eventually and I plan on having him be the final boss,though GranDracmon seems like a potentially bigger threat.

On the side, could I ask for advice on protagonists?
 

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Well, the hackers are overtaken by eater eventually and I plan on having him be the final boss,though GranDracmon seems like a potentially bigger threat.

On the side, could I ask for advice on protagonists?

I would gladly give advice, but I'd need to know more of the story. Like, what is the setting, what's the the feel you're aiming for?
 

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Well, the hackers are overtaken by eater eventually and I plan on having him be the final boss,though GranDracmon seems like a potentially bigger threat.

On the side, could I ask for advice on protagonists?

I would gladly give advice, but I'd need to know more of the story. Like, what is the setting, what's the the feel you're aiming for?

Ok, it's still in the planning stages but here goes:

It takes inspiration an elements from Cyber Sleuth and Next World order. The digital world is similar to that of the latter and the ones in the adventure continuities while tone darker/more mature is like Cyber Sleuth and Tri.

I imagine I have around like 8 main characters, ages are around 17-19, six boys and two girls(might make it nine with 3 girls maybe). I'll start off with the dudes and I'll just list the mega forms of their partners for time convenience.

1. Protagonist, partner is Shinegreymon. Personality I am working on, don't want him to be stereotypically hot blooded and was thinking of having him be more like a 'good guy' protagonist but not overly good.

2. Second guy, MirageGaogamon is his partner. Not too sure on personality as I don't think I want him to be aloof or cold. He's calm but I feel like the first traits are stereotypical.

3. This one has Ravemon is his partner. I imagine he's more like perhaps the 'nice guy' of the group, though I want to make his personality distinct from my protagonist.

4. For him, Valkyrimon is his partner. I guess he's more like the fun or easygoing guy of the group(i.e Duo Maxwell from gundam).

5. He has Slayerdramon as his partner. I figured he would be kind of a hothead but I don't want him to be the annoying kind who does dumb stuff, give him hidden depths.

6. He has BlackWarGreymon. He's the one I have most trouble with so far. First, should I introduce him at the start or later? Second, I have no idea what to use for his personality. I feel aloof would be cliche.

Aside that, for a character to be the smart/wise one, should I combine that aspect with perhaps the nice one or give it someone else.

Here's the drawing board.
 

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1. Protagonist, partner is Shinegreymon. Personality I am working on, don't want him to be stereotypically hot blooded and was thinking of having him be more like a 'good guy' protagonist but not overly good. So, maybe a guy who tries to be the "good guy", but has maybe a lack of understanding of other people leading him to make decisions for others because he thinks that's what they want and he's being nice?

2. Second guy, MirageGaogamon is his partner. Not too sure on personality as I don't think I want him to be aloof or cold. He's calm but I feel like the first traits are stereotypical. Ah... I can't think of anything right now...
3. This one has Ravemon is his partner. I imagine he's more like perhaps the 'nice guy' of the group, though I want to make his personality distinct from my protagonist. My suggestion, he is legitimately a nice guy, but he worries perhaps too much about other people and neglects himself in order to make others happy. Like, most of his day is taken up by assisting others and he's prone to go a bit hungry due to easily giving away his food.

4. For him, Valkyrimon is his partner. I guess he's more like the fun or easygoing guy of the group(i.e Duo Maxwell from gundam). All I can think is, like, maybe a sort of jokester guy, we haven't exactly had someone like that in Digimon before.

5. He has Slayerdramon as his partner. I figured he would be kind of a hothead but I don't want him to be the annoying kind who does dumb stuff, give him hidden depths. Answering a later question, I'd say give the "smart" role to this guy. He appears to be arrogant and hot-headed, but it's because he knows what the outcome of a situation is likely to be, and doesn't initially let on to what he's doing.

6. He has BlackWarGreymon. He's the one I have most trouble with so far. First, should I introduce him at the start or later? Second, I have no idea what to use for his personality. I feel aloof would be cliche. Again, no comment, sorry ;^-^

Aside that, for a character to be the smart/wise one, should I combine that aspect with perhaps the nice one or give it someone else.

Here's the drawing board.
 

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1. Protagonist, partner is Shinegreymon. Personality I am working on, don't want him to be stereotypically hot blooded and was thinking of having him be more like a 'good guy' protagonist but not overly good. So, maybe a guy who tries to be the "good guy", but has maybe a lack of understanding of other people leading him to make decisions for others because he thinks that's what they want and he's being nice?

2. Second guy, MirageGaogamon is his partner. Not too sure on personality as I don't think I want him to be aloof or cold. He's calm but I feel like the first traits are stereotypical. Ah... I can't think of anything right now...
3. This one has Ravemon is his partner. I imagine he's more like perhaps the 'nice guy' of the group, though I want to make his personality distinct from my protagonist. My suggestion, he is legitimately a nice guy, but he worries perhaps too much about other people and neglects himself in order to make others happy. Like, most of his day is taken up by assisting others and he's prone to go a bit hungry due to easily giving away his food.

4. For him, Valkyrimon is his partner. I guess he's more like the fun or easygoing guy of the group(i.e Duo Maxwell from gundam). All I can think is, like, maybe a sort of jokester guy, we haven't exactly had someone like that in Digimon before.

5. He has Slayerdramon as his partner. I figured he would be kind of a hothead but I don't want him to be the annoying kind who does dumb stuff, give him hidden depths. Answering a later question, I'd say give the "smart" role to this guy. He appears to be arrogant and hot-headed, but it's because he knows what the outcome of a situation is likely to be, and doesn't initially let on to what he's doing.

6. He has BlackWarGreymon. He's the one I have most trouble with so far. First, should I introduce him at the start or later? Second, I have no idea what to use for his personality. I feel aloof would be cliche. Again, no comment, sorry ;^-^

Aside that, for a character to be the smart/wise one, should I combine that aspect with perhaps the nice one or give it someone else.

Here's the drawing board.

1. Could you elaborate on the first part perhaps?

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1. Protagonist, partner is Shinegreymon. Personality I am working on, don't want him to be stereotypically hot blooded and was thinking of having him be more like a 'good guy' protagonist but not overly good. So, maybe a guy who tries to be the "good guy", but has maybe a lack of understanding of other people leading him to make decisions for others because he thinks that's what they want and he's being nice?

2. Second guy, MirageGaogamon is his partner. Not too sure on personality as I don't think I want him to be aloof or cold. He's calm but I feel like the first traits are stereotypical. Ah... I can't think of anything right now...
3. This one has Ravemon is his partner. I imagine he's more like perhaps the 'nice guy' of the group, though I want to make his personality distinct from my protagonist. My suggestion, he is legitimately a nice guy, but he worries perhaps too much about other people and neglects himself in order to make others happy. Like, most of his day is taken up by assisting others and he's prone to go a bit hungry due to easily giving away his food.

4. For him, Valkyrimon is his partner. I guess he's more like the fun or easygoing guy of the group(i.e Duo Maxwell from gundam). All I can think is, like, maybe a sort of jokester guy, we haven't exactly had someone like that in Digimon before.

5. He has Slayerdramon as his partner. I figured he would be kind of a hothead but I don't want him to be the annoying kind who does dumb stuff, give him hidden depths. Answering a later question, I'd say give the "smart" role to this guy. He appears to be arrogant and hot-headed, but it's because he knows what the outcome of a situation is likely to be, and doesn't initially let on to what he's doing.

6. He has BlackWarGreymon. He's the one I have most trouble with so far. First, should I introduce him at the start or later? Second, I have no idea what to use for his personality. I feel aloof would be cliche. Again, no comment, sorry ;^-^

Aside that, for a character to be the smart/wise one, should I combine that aspect with perhaps the nice one or give it someone else.

Here's the drawing board.

1. On the side, I got advice that the BlackWarGreymon guy should have a strong sense of justice

2. I see, if the slayerdramon guy is the smart guy, I can work with that as it's a good subversion of the trope.
 
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1. Could you elaborate on the first part perhaps?
Alright, it's like, he tries to be the good guy right? So he hears from some person of some trouble or problem that's going down, so he goes to try to fix the problem, thinking that he knows whats wrong but he ends up seeming like a jerk(possibly) due to his ignorance.
 

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1. Could you elaborate on the first part perhaps?
Alright, it's like, he tries to be the good guy right? So he hears from some person of some trouble or problem that's going down, so he goes to try to fix the problem, thinking that he knows whats wrong but he ends up seeming like a jerk(possibly) due to his ignorance.

I see, well I think I have them worked out.

1. Protagonist is a good guy and for a while he's been quite dull in life due to an incident involving the digital world when he was younger and this new chance reignites his spark possibly. Well, I'm so sure on your suggestion as I don't want him to come across as too unlikeable perhaps.

2. This guy is calm and serious, somewhat aloof but a nice guy at heart despite being stoic. He has the most insight on situations.

3. He's the nice one, sort of like the big brother of group, knows what to say and listen to people and isn't much for fighting unless the situation calls for it.

4. He's an easygoing/carefree guy, a jokester like you said a bit.

5. He can be hotheaded and somewhat arrogant but this is due to his intelligence like you said, but he does learn from his mistakes as things go on and can accept criticism well.

6. He has a strong sense of justice.
 

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Hotheaded smart guy interests me. I think his 'flaw' is that he's really bad at communicating and gets angry easily.

He genuinely likes everyone and wants to contribute. And he sees all these brilliant plans that would easily win the mission... if ONLY people would listen to him!

In other words, he's a terrible terrible human being. But he's right. Which makes him even MORE loathable. No one on the team is going to like him, but after he occasionally saves the day, they start to respect him a little. And eventually SOMEONE finally tells him off, making him realize that just having good intentions and good ideas isn't enough. You have to think about how the way you conduct yourself colors people's perceptions of you and how a good relationship with your team is as important a part of teamwork as having a good strategic mind.

He will be no one's favorite character, but he will be the driving force of conflict in your interpersonal character dynamics for most of the story.
 

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Hotheaded smart guy interests me. I think his 'flaw' is that he's really bad at communicating and gets angry easily.

He genuinely likes everyone and wants to contribute. And he sees all these brilliant plans that would easily win the mission... if ONLY people would listen to him!

In other words, he's a terrible terrible human being. But he's right. Which makes him even MORE loathable. No one on the team is going to like him, but after he occasionally saves the day, they start to respect him a little. And eventually SOMEONE finally tells him off, making him realize that just having good intentions and good ideas isn't enough. You have to think about how the way you conduct yourself colors people's perceptions of you and how a good relationship with your team is as important a part of teamwork as having a good strategic mind.

He will be no one's favorite character, but he will be the driving force of conflict in your interpersonal character dynamics for most of the story.


I heard that hotheaded and smart don't really go well. Is there way to make him kinda aggressive but not a jerk or annoying perhaps.
 

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Sure, but then what's his flaw that makes him realistic?
 

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Sure, but then what's his flaw that makes him realistic?

Maybe at first, he's not exactly a team player.

I was also working on villains. Like for GranDracmon, which mega digimon could be his enforces. He has followers who are champion and adult, but I was looking for which mega? I was unsure if using the demon lords
 
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I was also working on villains. Like for GranDracmon, which mega digimon could be his enforces. He has followers who are champion and adult, but I was looking for which mega? I was unsure if using the demon lords
Well for megas I'm assuming they're endgame enemies right? You could use "Demon Lord" Digimon that aren't part of the 7 Great Demon Lords. Those being Bagramon, Deathmon, Murmukusmon, and BelialVamdemon(He would obviously need an adaption weakening, but it's not the first time that'd happen in Digimon stories :p)
 

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I was also working on villains. Like for GranDracmon, which mega digimon could be his enforces. He has followers who are champion and adult, but I was looking for which mega? I was unsure if using the demon lords
Just a "absolutely OP" idea, but: DarkKnightmon as GranDracmon's go-to guy for interdimensional travel, Bagramon as his go-to guy for obtaining information or artifacts, MaloMyotismon for the illusory ability.
 

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Try to get villains that make sense with the story you're trying to tell not the reverse, because that would fell shoehorned, and would end in either a bland story or in you losing your enthusiasm and leaving your story unfinished. So, ultimately all falls in how the story you want to tell will evolve.

A good way to determine this is to plan from the very beginning the end of the story. Nothing detailed, just a few notes that can help you to remember how you want your story to evolve. How the final battle (if any) would affect the characters and the world your story takes place? what will happen with the characters? And other noteworthy stuff. With the ending already decided, not only you would find villains that fit that ending perfectly, but also it would be easier for you to write your story (or how things ended the way you planned in the ending).

Don't feel forced by your already planned ending while writing. Is just a guideline, not something set in stone. If you came up with something that is really interesting but will be at odds with this ending, you can always modify your ending to make any new idea fit (but only if the new idea is worth of this effort).
 

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It depends on your intentions and what role you want each villain to play, really. I'd also consider how you want the two plots to lead into each other. By null canon, GranDracmon's power is at least on par with the SGDL, and the Eaters are essentially apocalypse-class. If you're creating your own universe, I'd probably suggest making sure you build up in some way. There are a number of ways to do that, depending on the other ideas you have.

You mention hackers involved with the Eaters, and they seem like an easy way to create build-up as well as a way to include a bit of exposition and maybe some rising actions. I'd add, though, that you don't necessarily have to jump right into Eater-Apocalypse, so you could use that as your larger, overarching plot line with GranDracmon in the middle, should you wish. I think this type of idea you mentioned sounds like it could be the easiest to write. My main consideration would be how GranDracmon fits in. Whether you have him affiliated with the other villains or as his own side, I think good world-building should establish (or eventually reveal) some of the historical points. So if GranDracmon is completely orthogonal to the hackers / Eater, why are they both where they are? Though writing only with the knowledge of the protagonists can be done, it often yields a frustrated audience as with parts of Tri. But however it's revealed, I'd definitely suggest figuring out a bit of the history of your world, at least the important bits to make it all flow. I almost like the idea of GranDracmon's being unrelated and simply choosing to strike after the protagonists are battle-worn.

Alternatively, you could go strait from the hackers to Eater and then bring in GranDracmon. While this makes the Eater plot fairly straightforward, I'd really suggest doing a fair amount of world-building so that he doesn't just feel tacked on as a "hey, I like this villain, so here he is" story. One way of avoiding this dissonance is by weaving in some bits about GranDracmon throughout the earlier arcs. It doesn't even have to be name-dropping even, so long as it later can be tied in. One way of doing this is having some form of prophecy, warning, or ancient history that's thought to warn about Eater but it's then revealed to actually be GranDracmon. As his power is enough to give SGDL trouble, he could be written as an apocalypse-class villain as well. As the author, you get to figure out how their power levels will compare. Alternatively, Eater could be done brute force and moderate intelligence (or re-characterized in typical rogue AI form where there's some form of faulty logic) with GranDracmon being power with a lot more intelligence and cunning behind it.

There are, of course, many, many, many more ways to approach writing, so these are just a few things that come to mind based on my own style of writing. In the end, you're the author. I like writing with a known goal and then uncovering my world while actually writing. Others like to plan everything out from the very beginning. You can also have certain points that aren't known and never get revealed (versus, for instance, writing in third-person omniscient).
 
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