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Huh. You're right. I have not heard of that last one. But that last line there does sound funny. It's one of those lines.
 

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I'm moving right along...

Persona 5: The Animation
I'm now all caught up on Persona anime. I watched the whole series, with the concluding specials, and inserted The Day Breakers between episodes 9 and 10. By a funny coincidence, I finished watching the night that Joker was released for Super Smash Bros. I liked the series, despite knowing the general plot beforehand, which I don't think was the case with the others. In a way, it's a shame, given the plot's various twists and pseudo-twists, but I started reading about the game before a full anime was announced. People seem not to have had many nice things to say about this adaptation, and while I agree that it isn't quite as good as Persona 4's anime was, I thought it held up alright. The only negative thing I can really say about it is that at times it did feel a little rushed, probably because it's the same length as the Persona 4 anime, but there's more ground to cover in terms of plot. If you think about it, unlike in Persona 4 where the "boss fights" were with the protagonists' own Shadows, in Persona 5 both a protagonist and a villain needed to be introduced for each Palace, so there wasn't as much room for the slice-of-life kind of stuff (which Persona 4 was already a little heavy on, anyway).

Godzilla: City on the Edge of Battle / Godzilla: The Planet Eater
These are the second and third entries in the trilogy of animated Godzilla movies, the first of which I watched about half a year ago. I figured I'd watch them back-to-back, so as to finish the trilogy with the second film fresh in my memory. As in the first film, there were several call-backs to the live action movies. Mechagodzilla, King Ghidorah, and (in a manner of speaking) Mothra all make appearances, but are distinct from their usual depictions. Mechagodzilla,
which we saw under construction in the first movie's opening before Godzilla wrecked its creators' facility, has evolved into the titular city of the second movie, while Ghidorah is an extradimensional being with no physical body. The two races of humanoid aliens from the first movie eventually show themselves to be less than trustworthy, which shouldn't perhaps be very surprising, since aliens in Godzilla movies almost always turn out to be bastards. It seems pretty clear that the Exif, who are revealed to worship Ghidorah, were inspired by the Xiliens
. I think that, of the three movies, the last is probably the weakest, since it can drag in places, but it was still a good watch. The series ends
on a somewhat pessimistic note, putting one in mind of the original Godzilla. I didn't really expect a "happy ending" anyway, since humanity was already pretty much wiped out, and the series has an interesting narrative arc
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I considered watching the third season of A Certain Magical Index next. It's been a while since I've watched either it or Railgun, however, and I'm not sure whether or not I should rewatch anything to prepare myself for it. I considered rewatching the main series and its spinoff with the episodes in roughly chronological order, but I know that the spinoff is going to be getting a third season before long, and a second spinoff is going to be getting its first season, so I'm not sure what to do. In the end I decided to kick the problem on down the road. Instead my next watch will be Death Note, a non-leadup-related series that sounds interesting (and which of course is well-known and well-liked).
 

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Yeah, Death Note should be good. ...Just watch the anime and nothing US based. ...Maybe some of the JPN LA stuff.
 

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Alright, I've watched two new anime in succession. I don't think either of them needs much in the way of an introduction.

Death Note
This is a somewhat unusual series. While their premises are unrelated, it struck me as having some similarities with the Netflix series House of Cards, which I caught some of when my parents were watching through it. In both series, the protagonist is the bad guy, or at least one of the bad guys, and he has to use his wits to keep his machinations a secret. Contrary to my parents' experience with the protagonist of House of Cards, though, I never found myself rooting for Light. To some extent, especially early on in the series, I didn't get terribly invested in it emotionally, because there were so few likeable characters. It was more like watching a game of chess than anything. As the show went on I did start liking the characters more,
even Light, amusingly enough, when he temporarily lost his memory of the Death Note. It was weird to see how different his personality was during that period. It makes you wonder if he was always a psychopath, or if the power of the Death Note unhinged him
. Ryuk was fun, even though his is often a background role. While amoral, he was honest about his motivation, without any of Light's hypocritical self-righteousness. I liked L, too, questionable though his methods sometimes were. The ending
was the emotional high-spot for me, unsurprisingly. After L's death I was pretty much just watching to see Light get what was coming to him. And he did, of course, and it was cathartic, and then you almost feel a little sorry for him in the very last scene, in spite of everything. It's hinted that he regrets his lost innocence
. Overall a good show, and I'm interested in looking into some of the tie-in material. In fact, just this evening I ordered two Death Note novels. The live-action stuff doesn't really appeal to me.

Fruits Basket
I thought I'd follow up Death Note with something a little lighter in tone, and went with this. Just to be clear, what I watched was the original anime adaptation that aired while the manga was still being published. The main draw for me, as will probably surprise no one, was the use of the Chinese zodiac, which of course played a role in Digimon Tamers. I've considered making use of the mythology surrounding it in some of my own work too, so I was interested in seeing how this series handled it, especially since the tardy cat of the legends was included. Entertainment-wise, the show was nice overall. I enjoyed it throughout, though in my opinion it did comedy slightly better than it did drama. The character personalities were fun, and Toru was cute but a little too perfect to be as interesting as some of the others. I was a tad disappointed that we didn't get to meet all 13 of our animals, but I suppose there's always the new adaptation to look forward to once it's finished airing.

I'm currently looking to add some new shows to my "to-watch" list, besides the various sequel series that I've yet to see or that haven't aired or finished airing yet. Two anime I've gone ahead and added are Dream Eater Merry (which I intend to watch next) and Demon Detective Nogami Neuro, both of which I know little about but which sound like the sort of thing I would enjoy. With a view to finding other shows I might want to try, I've also been looking at the old comedy fan-series AMV Hell, which I watched and enjoyed as a kid before ever being a real anime fan (it was actually AMV Hell that inspired me to give Azumanga Daioh, Excel Saga, and Death Note a try). I've been looking up the synopses of various shows on MAL, and so far I've made a very tentative list of some I may eventually give a shot, besides the ones recommended to me by fellow WtW members. Of the following anime, are there any that you guys have seen and would particularly recommend to me (or advise me not to watch)?

Battle Athletess Daiundoukai
Child's Toy
Chunibyo demo Koi ga Shitai!
Gunnm (Battle Angel Alita)
Hare & Guu
Invasion!? Squid Girl
Magical Girl Madoka Magica
Nichijou
Paranoia Agent
Read or Die
Rozen Maiden
Sayonara, Zetsubo-sensei
Shugo Chara!
Super Gals
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
Twin Spica
When the Cicadas Cry
 

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Of the following anime, are there any that you guys have seen and would particularly recommend to me (or advise me not to watch)?
While the Madoka anime is excellent, I would advise steering clear of the sequel movie. It ruins the tv anime's ending in order to set up sequels that ultimately never happened anyways thus rendering the film itself pointless. :mad:

Otherwise the rest of that list looks okay, a few gems but mostly mediocre (but enjoyable) shows.
 

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Which are the gems, if you don’t mind my asking?
Granted this is my own bias, but I would say that Madoka, Paranoia Agent, Gurren Lagann and Sayonara, Zetsubo-sensei notably stand above the rest in terms of quality.

I would say When They Cry as well, but I wasn't the biggest fan of the anime adaptation. In fact, while the anime is serviceable, I would recommend playing the Visual Novel (available on Steam) instead unless you really are averse to that style of storytelling.
 

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My two cents about some of the shows...

Chunibyo
I only watched the first season and felt it was pretty generic. High school boy meets weird girl, bla bla, conveniently absent parents bla bla. Doesn't help that I felt that the way the show approached its main theme and the stance it takes on it felt just utterly retarded, but that might just be me.

Paranoia Agent
Thematically Paranoia Agent might just be the perfect counterpoint to Chunibyo. Since the series originated as concepts for different projects different episodes sometimes feel disconnected, and sometimes it feels almost like a compilation series. Still a very good show if you're looking for something really unique.

Madoka
I guess people get kind of weird about "dark" magical girl series and some of them are pretty crappy but Madoka didn't make an entire popular for nothing, it's really good. Great plot, some very interesting visuals.
I would however claim that the sequel movie is the best part about it all and basically just really impressively shows something that the series basically implied would happen anyway.

Nichijou
It's an okay wacky cute girls slice of life comedy thingy. Generally differentiates itself from other series of that type by pulling out some pretty impressive animation quality for absurd visual gags.


Sayonara, Zetsubo-sensei
A pretty fun series but loses much of the humor for non-japanese viewers. It's really a series that loves it's wordplay and multilayered puns which means with subtitles there'll just be times where you'll have one line of dialogue and like three other footnotes and infoboxes that explain the japanese joke that just happened (Maybe not all the time but that's how I remember it)... and at least for me getting that kind of stuff explained might still work for appreciating the cleverness but it's not truly funny in the traditional sense.

TTGL
One of the great things about ttgl is just how fast the plot escalates and every time it seems like it can't get more over the top, it somehow does. There are also two compilation movies which, while overall being just generally okay greatly extend the climactic fights even more.


When The Cicadas Cry
Story wise definitely one of the best mystery anime out there with some very interesting storytelling choices. Some of the horror parts can get pretty nasty and unfortunately the animation quality is sometimes nasty as well, with lots of off-model shots and generally eh look outside of important moments. Visually it gets a bit better in the second season which is defintely required to watch as the first season only presents the mystery while the second seasons actually provides the solutions.
I have not read the Visual Novel, but having read the successor VN (which got a truly godawful anime adaption) it's very likely that the VN is better however if one was to read the VN it's worth noting that the translation on steam is still missing the last two chapters, so you would have to wait for the ending.
 
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Thank you both for the information. Always good to get other people's opinions, so I know what shows to prioritize. Child's Toy I may skip just because I didn't initially realize it was like 100 episodes long. Another anime I'm considering, but forgot to list for some reason, is a rather obscure one called Phantom Thief Saint Tail. I doubt it will be all that great, probably mindless fun at best, but the premise sort of appeals to me. Reading the synopsis, it sounds like the exact same setup as Cardcaptor Sakura, but with less magic and more phantom thievery. I don't suppose anyone else here has watched it? Anyway, I finished my latest anime last night.

Dream Eater Merry
This anime was one of those manga adaptations that aired long before the manga had ended (in this case, the manga still hasn't ended), and which was considerably different as a result. I really liked this show, but it did suffer a little from the circumstances. At 13 episodes, I found it too short, and it bit off more than it could chew, in a sense, with too many subplots going on at once thanks to the addition of a number of major characters that weren't in the manga. Naturally, the focus is on these anime-exclusive characters, and their stories are more or less resolved by the end, but a lot is left hanging, and unfortunately the anime never got a continuation. I'd be interested in reading the manga whenever it finally finishes. Right now it's at about 20 volumes, so it still has a ways to go before it reaches the length of other long manga I've read like Soul Eater (25 volumes) and Excel Saga (27 volumes).

Next up for me is Demon Detective Nougami Neuro. What's everyone else been watching?
 

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I've just catched up on Yugioh VRAINS. And totally haven't tried 3 different anime I would not like to mention here. Twitter yes. But that's just more for me to watch in December. Oh well.
 

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Finished another new show recently.

Demon Detective Nougami Neuro
This was an interesting one, not quite what I was expecting, but enjoyable once I got used to it. It's not necessarily a show I'd recommend if you're interested in actual mystery, since the solution of the crimes Neuro investigates (or at least their perpetrators) tend to be pretty obvious. On the whole the show was a bit sillier than I expected it to be, but that's not really a bad thing. There were several times the slapstick elements made me laugh. After a few episodes I was familiar with its quirks (like the goofy transformations the murderers undergo when they're exposed) and wound up really enjoying it. There was a minor plot hole or two, probably attributable to the adaptation process. I would like to read the manga eventually, which is one of those that wasn't finished when the anime aired, but sadly it doesn't seem to be available in English. Last thing I have to say about the series is an interesting bit of trivia: Neuro's "family name" is fittingly made up of the kanji for "brain" and "chew."

Currently I'm taking a bit of a break from anime. I recently bought the four-book omnibus version of the Cardcaptor Sakura manga, and I've been reading that. Currently about halfway through the second book. When I'm finished, I may go ahead and start on Clear Card, though I'm unsure about that, since it's still being published.
 

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Clear Card sure was something. I wonder if they'll ever air any more of it.
 

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I caught up on this manga a while back, but have been too busy lately to post about it in this thread.

Cardcaptor Sakura
I'd been told that the manga was basically a condensed version of the anime adaptation, but I found that there were enough differences in incident and dialogue that it felt fresh. It was good, of course. I miss having the full deck of cards being a thing, but it cuts down on filler (even among the cards that do get used in the manga there are some minor redundancies). One difference from the anime I found particularly interesting, since it sort of solved a minor mystery that I had previously wondered about. Specifically,
in the manga we learn that Clow Reed was actually reincarnated as two separate people, one of course being Eriol and the other being Sakura's father. This goes a little way towards explaining how the Clow Cards wound up in Sakura's father's possession. Previously I'd figured that maybe it was related to his work as an archaeologist, despite the cards' relatively recent origin. The double reincarnation thing may also explain why Sakura's magical powers are so great
. After finishing the original manga, I went on to read what's been published of the sequel, Clear Card. That was really my reason for reading in the first place, since I'd been spoiled on something in Clear Card that was different from the anime version. That anime, by the way, has for the most part been a faithful adaptation of the currently published parts of the manga, with only a few additional cards/episodes added compared to the first series. The next volume of Clear Card is due to be released next month, so I have that to look forward to.

Well, now that Marc's started another leadup, this thread will be going on hiatus for a while, at least as far as I'm concerned. If any of you guys are watching new anime or reading new manga in the meantime that aren't part of the new leadup, feel free to keep sharing your thoughts here.
 

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Figured I'd go ahead and update now instead of falling behind like last time.Food Battler Soma: The Third PlateJust finished watching this. I went ahead and watched both cours of the season, so any spoilers will be for The Third Plate as a whole. In a way it felt similar to the fourth season of Full Metal Panic!, which I watched not long ago. Here, as there, we have
a new antagonist introduced who ups the stakes considerably, which makes the show exciting to watch, but a little more nervewracking than it was previously. Azami has a pretty impressive presence for a guy who's just a glorified food snob (also, the way he refers to himself with "boku" kind of weirds me out)
. But anyway, I liked the season very much, and I'm interested to see where it goes next. I had predicted after the
Team Shokugeki was suggested that the rest of the season would be them finishing up the standard elimination rounds, but I'm glad that they decided to jump right into the Team Shokugeki. They didn't finish it though, of course, so now we're stuck waiting for the conclusion. I wonder, if the rebels win the contest, what comes next, or if anything comes next. Once you've overthrown Food Hitler you've kind of reached a peak, but on the other hand Soma's still only in his first year
. For now, it's farewell to Food Wars, until I can get hold of the latest OVA.Next I guess I'll be watching the fourth season of High School DxD, even though it feels like I saw the third not that long ago. It's not my favorite show, but it'll do. By the way, I'm hoping to watch Persona 5: The Animation soon, and I was wondering... would people who have seen both that series and Persona 5: The Day Breakers recommend watching the former first or the latter? Or is it possible to slot Day Breakers in at some appropriate place in the main series?
Well, I really liked season 4 because of its animation and adaptation of the novel. The series was so damn good! Now I am just waiting the HighSchool DxD Season 5which is maybe coming next year or so. Looking forward to watching this Masterpiece!
 

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Well, my hiatus was brief, as it turned out. Voltron, this week's show on the Last Evolution Leadup, didn't really appeal to me, so except for the first episode of it, which I made myself watch last night, I spent much of this week watching the third season of a show I was rewatching when the new Leadup was announced. I figured I'd forget everything I'd rewatched if I didn't watch it soon, so I was rather happy to have an excuse.

Date a Live III
It was good to get back to one of the earlier anime I watched and see the story progress a little further. There's not much to say about my opinion of the show's quality. I still like it well. There's some ecchi stuff, but it's not as constant or obtrusive as it is in other shows like High School DxD (which I'm pretty much only keeping up with now to see how mythological stuff gets represented), so I don't mind it. During my rewatch of the show's earlier seasons, I realized for the first time that each of the Spirits represents a different sphere of the Sephiroth (and the Qliphoth, when they become "inverted"), so that was interesting to note as I watched. I suppose that in the end there will be a total of ten Spirits (or rather eleven). One more season and we may have our full cast assembled. It would be interesting,
though it's a little messed up to say it, to see the rest of the Spirits invert eventually, though a little less interesting on account of the inverted angels' (demons'?) names being guessable
. I hope a fourth season is announced before too long, to see where things go next. I wonder if
the changing of the timeline will cause any trouble (or at least confusion) in the future. I know if I were Itsuka, I'd go over past events carefully with Kotori and the rest to see if there were any significant differences I should know about. But I won't be surprised if the writers don't deal with the oddities of the situation too much in future
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Not sure what I'll be watching next, since, after all, that's up to Marc. As for reading, there's a new volume of Clear Card out now, though it doesn't have a Kindle version yet. Hopefully it won't take long to get one, since that's the format I have the other five volumes in.
 

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Hmm... I notice that with the recent forum update all of my inline spoilers have become the other kind, which makes my posts look weird. I thought about going back and fixing them all, but... eh. At least this update didn't screw up any other formatting stuff, like the one before it did. Anyway, now that the Last Evolution leadup is over, I'm left to my own devices again when it comes to watching anime. After sitting through two more boring episodes of Orange Road, I decided that I would be better off watching things I'd enjoy more, so that show's now on indefinite hold again. I started with two short series and two movies, all of them related to things I'd watched previously.

FLCL Progressive / FLCL Alternative
Before watching FLCL's sequels, I went back and rewatched FLCL itself, which I hadn't seen since the Tri leadup. It's one of those shows that rewards a second viewing. Having seen it once, I had a much better grip on the plot, so things that seemed random the first time around made a little more sense, and I could put them in context. It's got a plot that has its own internal logic, but it can be hard to pick up on the first time around because the show doesn't really bother with exposition, so there's some thinking involved. I found this to also be the case with the sequels.

When I brought the sequels up on the Discord, I heard from a couple people who had dropped Progressive because it didn't have the same feel as the original show, and while I think that that's a fair assessment, I think that both sequels are enjoyable enough to watch through. It could be argued that they are superfluous, but that's the case with most sequels. I think that exactly capturing the essence of something as unique as the original FLCL would be impossible, and I'm not sure it would have been entirely desirable. As it was, I thought that Progressive and Alternative were interesting new takes on that fictional world. We got to see a couple new sides of Haruko too.

I may as well share a few thoughts on Alternative's ending, since it leaves some room for speculation. I know that Alternative was originally conceived as a prequel to the original show, and that there are some interesting artifacts of that in both it and Progressive. My own interpretation of Alternative is that it really is the last series chronologically, since, you know, the original series didn't have a giant twin planet hanging in the sky. Haruko's personality also, to me, points to her being older than she was in the previous series, as does the fact that her superiors are no longer responding to her messages. Finally, the technology (migrations to Mars and all that) seems to be ahead of where we are presently. Anyway, when I was watching the last episode's final scene the first time, I thought that maybe Kana's N.O. had successfully transported part of Earth to Mars (since that was Kanda's original plan), with the marble-like planet being the old Earth after Medical Mechanica flattened it. However, given the distance between Earth and Mars, the shot of Haruko on what appears to be the colonized Mars, and the reference to space-time weirdness, it seems more likely that Kana and company are now living in some alternate dimension. It's also possible to take Alternative's title literally, and think of it as a separate continuity from that of the other two shows.

I think one of the most interesting things to me about FLCL as a whole is Medical Mechanica, partly because it's such an enigmatic entity. I get the same sense from it that I got from reading H. P. Lovecraft's stories for the first time. It's analogous to Lovecraft's aliens and elder gods in that it's something faceless and inhuman, which can't be understood, stopped, or reasoned with. I don't know if it was consciously intended to stand in for the uncontrollable aspects of life, but that was the way it struck me after watching all three series. The apocalyptic scenario from Alternative put me in mind of things like climate change and COVID-19. Anime end-of-the-world scenarios have a little added poignancy these days.

Trava: Fist Planet
I'm sure everyone's heard of the movie Redline, if only because it was part of our Last Evolution leadup. This is an OVA that actually predates it, and stars a couple of characters who would go on to play a minor role in the movie. Trava was brief and amusing. It has a look and feel that's rather similar to Redline, but whereas Redline was a combination of action, comedy, drama, and romance, Trava is essentially just a comedy. That's not a bad thing. The action is there, but it's subordinate to the humor, and even the final battle is largely glossed over. There's not much depth to the thing, but it's fun to watch and listen to. One thing I found a little odd, from a metafictional perspective, is that the titular competition, Fist Planet, doesn't actually take place, with the show instead being a kind of prologue to it. Then again, the protagonists do wind up on a planet where Trava's Power gets to put its fists to good use, so maybe the title's appropriate after all.

Teenage Pig Does Not Dream of a Dreaming Girl
I didn't bother to rewatch Bunny Girl Senpai in its entirety, though I did look through the last episode to refresh my memory a bit. It was probably a good thing I did, since the movie focuses on Shoko, the one character (or pair of characters) I'd pretty much forgotten about, though that episode brought the circumstances surrounding her back to me. I enjoyed the movie, though the pseudoscience was a little hard to follow at times. Also, I don't know if you'd call it a true complaint, but I thought that the happy ending seemed a little unrealistic. I don't grudge the characters a happy ending, and I'm glad things worked out perfectly for them in the end, but the way that Sakuta wound up in essentially the same situation and knowing the same people despite having never met Shoko strained credulity. But I suppose you can justify it by saying that the old memories lingering as dreams helped things turn out much the same way. Looks like that's the end of this series. It was brief, but good. It's nice to watch an anime that doesn't drag itself out to inordinate lengths.

That brings the thread up to speed, at least where I'm concerned. I'm currently finishing Weakling Pedal, after which I may go ahead and watch its various sequels or move on to something else. What I'll probably do is stop after finishing the first season. I can watch RE:RIDE to refresh my memory when the time comes to watch season two. Right now, high priorities on my anime watchlist are finishing Super Gals and Samurai Troopers, to soothe my OCD. Manga-wise, I just bought a new volume of Clear Card, so I'll be reading that shortly.

What has everyone else been doing in terms of anime and manga since the leadup has ended? Have you taken a break, or are you still at it?
 

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The most I ever said about the other two FLCL is that if they didn't get The Pillows back, then it would have been doomed from the start. Otherwise, they were something. It was impossible to get the same as the first series. It's one of those things. Fanfics might try but no one expects anything from those.
 

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With the performance of another arcane ritual, I've resurrected this thread yet again now that the third leadup is over. Since it's been bugging my OCD, I've decided that the first post-leadup shows I watch will be those that I started during the leadup but was unable to finish because of its weekly nature. The first of these was Weakling Pedal.

Weakling Pedal
My original plan was to just finish watching the first season, but when I found that it ended in the middle of a race, I went ahead and decided to watch Grande Road as well. Looking at my comments on the show during the second leadup, I was only mildly interested in it, but it's grown on me considerably since then. I was rather sad to leave off once I finished the second season. I can see why the series has enjoyed so much popularity, even if it is just a show about bicycle racing. The characters are all a lot of fun. The standout for me was Midosuji. After I finished watching, I took the time to read through some of the comments on Crunchyroll for each episode (something I plan to do for other shows now, since they can be rather amusing, and spoilers tend to be tagged well), and I found that he inspired a lot of strong reactions from people, mostly negative, since he's the card-carrying villain type. For my part, after he made his first few appearances I started looking forward to the next time he'd show up, since his over-the-top personality and mannerisms made him a lot of fun to watch. And it was nice to find out there was more to him. As soon as he said, "I'm carrying something much heavier than you!" (I think it was during his race against Shinkai) I said to myself, "Aha! He has a backstory." I agreed both with those who thought that his history was very moving and tragic and those who thought that it didn't justify his douchey behavior. Either way, he was still fun. I was sorry to see him drop out of the race. I'm moving on to other shows for now, but my plan for when I revisit Weakling Pedal is to watch Re:Ride and Re:Road to refresh my memory of it, then to move on to the (non-recap) movie and the third (and fourth?) season. Apparently there's another movie out there too, Spare Bike, which features the third-years of the three main teams, but it doesn't seem to be available.

Anyway, now that I've reached a stopping point on that series, my next to finish is Super Gals, which I picked up where we left off last night. What has everyone else been watching (or reading, in terms of manga) since the leadup ended?
 

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