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ShiNocturne

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Hmm..shutting down..would suck a lot. I really love this place I do =\ Yeh, the subbing has become a bit slow, so what? This place is still great, honestly. I wouldn't like it to shut down. But if you want to do it, I guess thats up to you, moving on is the only option.
 

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Vande said:
So yes my reasons for wating the areas back asap was for supply and demand to get things back to normal asap at the time.
I think 'getting thinks back to normal asap' would probably be *everyone's* reasons for complaining (at least to some degree) because of all the drama the site recently went through, and the people probably don't realize just how long it takes to do stuff -I know I don't, since I've never had to configure a message board.

But Jita, since the subbing team are getting impatient and some decided to move to Dats to get stuff done, why not just announce that WtW won't be doing subs anymore? Since the Dats team would be practicaly the old WtW team, the quality would be compairable, and the point behind a fansub, if I'm not mistaken, is to get episodes out to the general public in a language they can understand that would otherwise not be available to them. It shouldn't matter who does this, as it's for the public to enjoy, not a compettition between groups. And if you announce that you're stopping fansubs (as there are no translators left for that anymore, right?), that should also get rid of the annoying people who just come for the subs anyway. There's Dats. If they want the subs, they can just get them from there.

(Or just announce that WtW won't be doing Savers, in there's still a team here for Tamers.. )

Personaly, I want to watch the show. So I'll probably get the episodes from Dats if need be, but that doesn't mean I'd just leave here. Vande goes to both sites, so why can't others? Besides, I remember Greg saying that 'to have to sign up to get the episodes is stupid', so anyone would be able to enjoy the eps. without having to sign up anywhere, which is probsbly what I would do. Pretty much the same team doing them anyway.

But WtW has been around before Savers started, and has been popular Looong before the subs or scanlations where even started...

Get rid of the subs and those who complain about them will probably also leave. Or just stop complaining. Want to try that for 2 weeks before you make your final decision?
 

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Seriously. Dude. I can't BLAME you for shutting the site down. Honestly.

But, Jita, truly, if you wanted to avoid such "drama" I would think you wouldn't display more of it in your post.
 

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*Almost balling* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! This fucking sucks on so many fucking levels!!!

Why can't you just give the site to someone else if you don't wanna deal with it? By shutting this site down you are dpressing tons of people and ruining what they do in their leisure time!!! Who gives a fuck if the subbing teams down? This site is more than that!

Please don't shut it down :'(
 

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Aww man, I still liked coming here. :'( I've always liked having WtW around, I wish it wouldn't come to this. & I still hold hope that it doesn't. I've been coming to WtW since it first started over 4 years ago now. It'd be shame for it to be gone for good.
 

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Very sad. but like already mentioned, WTW is more than Subs. People don´t come here to download them ( atleast not only ), but to talk about their favourite Series and other things aswell. WTW is a community !


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For the record, this is the most fucked up forum I've ever been to. 
Oh just shut up !
 

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onkeikun said:
While I sympathize with your points and slightly disagree over some, your overreaction is only going to induce more drama.

If you're stressed out over a hobby, and you don't have the patience to keep this place up or deal with the fandom anymore, then stop assing around. Lock down this thread and sticky it, or send out an administrative notice to members saying you are closing down this site. Give everyone a couple of days to make the transition (or not), and move on with your wonderful life. It's done, and you don't have to waste your time explaining yourself to people you probably won't be dealing with again, from the sound of your busy schedule.

I don't really see what your point in typing this post was, unless it was to seek assurance. Which you'll get from fans anyway. I mean, what did you expect?
I pretty much expected one of two things to happen by posting what I did. Either everyone agrees with me, or a bunch of people post saying "don't do it." I thought I'd give a detailed explination instead of saying "That's all, folks." I felt it was worth explaining myself, so people can understand. It's not the hobby itself which stresses me out. I think if watching Digimon or talking about it stressed me out, I'd need some serious help. Also, medication. Lots of it.

Infinity Blade said:
Seriously. Dude. I can't BLAME you for shutting the site down. Honestly.

But, Jita, truly, if you wanted to avoid such "drama" I would think you wouldn't display more of it in your post.
Yeah, yeah. I know, but I don't think I can really avoid an outcry, or something here. And it's not like I'm trying to put myself on a cross and tell every user he's got guilt in his heart. I was refering to a select group of people. Maybe I thought I was being less melodramatic at 4am.

Tortured Soul said:
*Almost balling* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! This fucking sucks on so many fucking levels!!!

Why can't you just give the site to someone else if you don't wanna deal with it? By shutting this site down you are dpressing tons of people and ruining what they do in their leisure time!!! Who gives a fuck if the subbing teams down? This site is more than that!

Please don't shut it down  :'(
The problem is, I made the site. I want it to pass my seal of approval. The last time I tried handing it to other people, I wasn't satisfied. I just can't manage the site on my own. I don't have enough hours in the day.


I've really made a shitter of what was supposed to be a simple thing.
 

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So you're going to close the site down now no matter what?

If that happens, and you think it's for the best, we can survive some other way. I only ask that if you *are* going to close it down that you keep up for a while first for people to back stuff up. Maybe lock the forums so people can't make new content, but so that they can at least have access to it to back stuff before WtW goes down.

I can understand not wanting to continue with something because you don't have the time or desire too. And, being the creator and founder, it's completely your choice. If that is what you've decided to do as a final thing, then so be it. Thanks for keeping the site up this long, though! :]
 

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Jita said:
I pretty much expected one of two things to happen by posting what I did. Either everyone agrees with me, or a bunch of people post saying "don't do it." I thought I'd give a detailed explination instead of saying "That's all, folks." I felt it was worth explaining myself, so people can understand. It's not the hobby itself which stresses me out. I think if watching Digimon or talking about it stressed me out, I'd need some serious help. Also, medication. Lots of it.
I understand you wanted to explain yourself, but what I don't get is why you decided to keep this thread open instead of locking it. It's pretty obvious what everyone's reactions would be (resignation, outrage, just all-around annoyance), and in the end, it's just a waste of bandwidth.

By hobby, I also meant your editing and keeping general order over the staff and forums up to this point. You've done a good job, and I won't oppose when you step down. Digimon itself is never a serious thing to stress about. =)

Also, if you have a problem with certain members, that's what private messaging and communication is for (from what I've read, it doesn't seem like you've done so). There will always be some actions people do that are annoying, but you take care of these things behind the scenes instead of chastising everyone in the open and making excuses. By making this public, you've basically dragged yourself and everyone else into another (quite unnecessary) melodrama.

Oh well. Thanks for putting up with all of this.
 

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It's unfortunate that the forums do have to shut, it really is. What you created here for the fans who came and talked about Digimon was something good that you should be proud of when carrying on with the rest of your life. I heard that whatever you started or was associated with your name, Jita, you had to make sure stood up to a level of quality. I guess this just wasn't it. "To thine own self be true", I suppose. Thanks for providing the platform for us all to discuss, debate and rant about all things Digimon.

So this is the last hurrah, the final nail in the coffin for the name 'With the Will' then. Well, thanks to everyone who made the sites what they were over the past year that I've posted - forum owner, super mods, subbing team, scanlating team, mods and of course, us posters. Hopefully I'll see you all around!
 

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It's a shame that WtW is shutting down. But, like everything else in this world, WtW had a beginning and an ending.

I'd like to thank you Jita, for keeping the site after all that happened, even if it was for some weeks. Despite your lack of pleasure on running the site, you continued just to please the fans. That was the objective of the forum: to please fans.
I'm seeing some people saying that this topic is only good to increase the "drama" of the situation. Although that is partially true, Jita only did this because he cared about the fans. But that's just my point of view.

Farewell, WtW.
 
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Jita: I think ANYONE who got stressed out watching Digimon would need help. I think I used to close in on 'overenthusiastic' before and I almost felt that was a bit of a "Hmm, maybe I should look into that..."
'Course, now it turns out I had an excuse. ;)

But seriously, yes, a forum will stress you out. I've had moments like that. I used to go to VGF for christs' sakes! If that didn't stress you out nothing will! A chatroom can stress you out (The super-busy ones where I can only be thankful the names I choose are gender-neutral so everyone assumes male, and one which could almost be classed as 'Sexual harassement demonstrated' which was, disturbingly, gender-neutral, too). Talking to a random guy you only just met in the street/at a pub can be stressful -- that's life! Communities have their decent dudes and their total fuckwits. Naturally. That's why you don't involve yourself, especially not on a personal level.

Working on something with a half-dedicated group, too, can be stressful. Lordy I know that. You just adjust the pace. People want to work on scans. Let them, and oversee it. People want to work on Subs. Let them, and oversee it. Yes, subs is not going well right now. I can see that. But there will be others who are dedicated to the cause. Probably people who went around the Narufan database and went near-insane at how behind they were (And the quality of some of their animations -- *shudder*), and came here, saw how awesome everything's gone, and want to put their time into taking it further.

I said this before (in the old forum) and I'll say it again. Fuck people who say "Whuts takeen so loung?!?!!11!"
Work for the people, but not with the people. You're doing this because you want to, not because you're their sub-slave.

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Know what the worst part of this deal is? The little bitch-fest that prompted this change-of-forum seems stupider from this point. Someone wanted to continue, someone didn't. So there was this fight for all reasons (something had slept under the surface). And where are we? The guy who DIDN'T want to continue has the forum and wants to drop it.

You're probably a great person, Jita. But that argument was childish if you're going to let this be the result. And you're going to live with that for the rest of your life. Even if you scoff at it now. Within a week hundreds of people came back and registered here. Those people, those dedicated, will feel burned. And you'll feel that too.

The least you can do is find a way for those who are dedicated to be happy.
 
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I agree what everyone that says:
Don't Shut Down.

I mean, I'm new and all, but I'm having fun.
(Sigh) :-\
This is the only Forms I really came onto... Hell the first one ever. I would hate to see it good in the dumps for what doesn't seem to matter to other people here. :'(
 

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I'll be honest and say I was half-expecting you to do this eventually, after my whole blow up.


Offering to host archives of this version if you'd like, if/after you close.
 
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I agree what everyone that says:
Don't Shut Down.

I mean, I'm new and all, but I'm having fun.
(Sigh)  :-\
This is the only Forms I really came onto... Hell the first one ever.
I would hate to see it good in the dumps
for what doesn't seem to matter to other people here.  :'(

I meant to say go in the dumps, not good...
 

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;D Hi, people at WtW!! This is shamely my first post on both the old and new forums, eventhought I came to know the site ever since the fansub of the first episode of Savers was released, and came back each day ever since then to check out for the new ones, never complaining, just waiting for them and feeling a great joy every time I saw a link to a new episode. Well, I guess I haven't done much for site, but just leech your work, which I thought (and still do) is great! :eek:

Why I write this? Just to tell that visiting somewhere everyday, you have to at least have a glimpse of what goes on in there, and that what I saw was a growing community of people with common interests having fun talking to each other about that. Well, as it's been said earlier on the thread: is in the nature of some human beings to ruin everything they come to have contact with, specially when they find it is a wonderful something belonging to people with a better and more useful life than theirs.

I think it is a mistake to shut a place just because you're giving importance to people who don't deserve it, who's just willing to create mischief on forums thinking that it will do them better than others and bothering great people doing things right. Please, for the sake of the people who appreciate this site, as I do as an spectator, keep it up and running!! (I really don't mind having to look for the subs somewhere else... It happened to me with Tsubasa Chronicle and I didn't die)

Does something of what I said make sense to someone? ??? Well, I know it does in my head (in spanish, I translated it the best I could ^.^) I hope this can make a change...
 

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If you close down this site you will be ltting the bad guys get what they want. So you can't close it down. If you do your letting them win.
 

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Thanks Jita. It has been a fun ride the last few years. I owe you one.

Thanks GOC, for allowing it to cotinue for a spell.

Gear Orangutan, I thought you kicked ass myself. Nice work.

To quote Carol from a past resurrection, "Nothing this evil will ever die".

Peace.
 

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I was never aware that so many people complained about the site...

Sure there'd always be some sort of gripe about this or that, but... to the point of this?
 

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dats had most of the mods and subbing and scanning peopel there before this happened, no reason for jita to keep having hte place when he doesnt wanna do it and they obviously dont care, its easy for them to say they do when theyve already left because they are to fucking impatient to wait a couple weeks, most of them were already there before the new wtw was up a week, jita and the tech guy were still learning the software. if people are gonna be impatient pricks why should jita and gears spend their rare free time to spend improving the site when the STAFF has already freaked out in the course of a week and decided 'well, who knows if itll ever happen, we better cover our bases and be part of both sites', so jita decided to just jettison the bullshit.
 
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