English Card Game Booster Set 6- Sistermon Ciel Replaces Sistermon Noir

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Saying that taking a step back to recognize that actions have consequences is stupid and pointless is rather tone-deaf especially when the magazine's actions had lethal consequences, whether you agree with the magazine's response or not.
Recognizing any action's consequences isn't the same as assuming responsability for aggresions "called upon" oneself for said actions, be that aggresion whatever it may be (moral boycott is a form of aggression, of course of a very different level of, say, a terrorist massacre, but aggresion nonetheless).
Taking for granted that you can refrain and selfcensor your production for the sake of sales, as in, a market study that tells you that pandering (or failing to) to this or that audience can increase or diminish your profit, is one thing, an irrefutable reality. But even aknowledging this reality, you still can't say that the selfcensoring in itself the "ethical thing to do" because of imagined or real hurt sensibilities.

That is speaking abstractly and generally.

In the particular case of Bandai and Sistermon Noir & Blanc, the irony is that beside those considerations, I and a lot of people came to think that this is non-issue and that Bandai is overreacting. So, those are the two arguments I'm making: a) if you wanna selfcensor for profit, go for it, but can't say it's because hurted feelings and b) in this particular case the nun isn't a real issue, so, Bandai is overreacting.
 

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Attempting to justify this sort of censorship on an ethical level is a moot point because it was never done for ethical reasons in the first place.
No one was wrestling with their conscience in fear that Habu or some other franchise representative might get assassinated by religious fundamentalist the next time they visit the US or some other far fetched scenario.
They are worried that some conservative parents or relatives might feel about 15% less inclined to buy little jimmy those games or cards for his birthday and so they attempt to avoid that loss in profits. The point is a company increasing their profits is not an inherently ethical matter. It can be when profits are the result of exploitation of workers for example but I'm going to go out on a limb and claim that the working environment at Bandai isn't really influenced by whether they are producing cards and games with a black or a blue nun.
It's the same posturing as companies trying to appear "woke" in their ads when it's all just about locking in markets. Most people realize that there's no actual moral high-ground there, just business. Why treat this any different?

Saying that taking a step back to recognize that actions have consequences is stupid and pointless is rather tone-deaf especially when the magazine's actions had lethal consequences, whether you agree with the magazine's response or not.
I don't think it's possible to get any more tone deaf, to the point of basically victim blaming, to even implicitly compare a terrorist attack to social consequences. (And I'm not sure if you realized that the scenario they described was hypothetical and the exact opposite of what actually happened.)
The responsibility literally doesn't lie with the magazine, the responsibility lies with the government to protect their citizens from terrorists in general.

As Tara likes to reiterate on What the Fuck is Wrong with You: Freedom of Speech is not freedom from consequences.
I don't get how namedropping some random web show most people probably don't know exists constitutes any sort of authority or proof for anything.

Anyway besides the plethora of biblical beings adapted in Digimon, I am not sure about the merits of the "misrepresentation of people" argument earlier in the thread. In the case of CS/HM you could make the same case against misrepresenting the majority of hackers as a bunch of digital hoodlums. Or the less than flattering portrayal of Otaku in general.
And regardless of the inherent artistic value of those portrayals, a double standard remains in that some professions or people are clearly getting special treatment in comparison... and that is where you can question the ethical implications.

And as far as any potential dissenting religious groups go: They are free not to buy the product, they are free to tell other people not to buy it and those other people are free to dismiss that criticism as overreacting and out of touch, that's how free expression goes.
And the more often their efforts are inevitably shut down or never even get off the ground, the more companies should realize that they have nothing to panic about.
 

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I don't get how namedropping some random web show most people probably don't know exists constitutes any sort of authority or proof for anything.
Way to focus on the wrong part of that sentence there and thus completely miss the point. The point is that actions have consequences and that the law cannot protect you from all of those consequences.

And the more often their efforts are inevitably shut down or never even get off the ground, the more companies should realize that they have nothing to panic about.
Except that's not what's been happening and if anything, these groups are only going to get bolder from the lack of their efforts failing. Again, this has been happening since almost a century at this point and it will inevitably happen again.
 

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Various members better learn how to behave quickly. There won't be further warnings.
 

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Gundramon's card has now been censored too, removing the bullet holes on the card and smoke from the guns to remove the him using his special attack
 

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Ah, so the game’s allowed to have guns in it, they just can’t be fired. lol
 

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I'm surprised they didn't take the 90s American kid's cartoon route and place laser beams in Gundramon's muzzles.
 

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Oh wow, I never even thought about something like that being censored but with the gun violence in America I guess we should count ourselves lucky that it wasn't more heavily edited.
 

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The anime dub has censored guns quite often. This is just the first time it’s happened in a card game, probably because the art is more dynamic than the standard arts used for stuff like Digi-Battle.
 

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Oh, they censored Bellestarrmon's gun firing as well. Didn't notice that one (someone else pointed it out) as the eyes focus on other parts of the art work. Sure is a lot of cards being censored in this set and probably future stuff going forward. One censor sure did break the tide of other censorships.
 

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do you guys prefer the art edits or entirely new arts in terms of censorship? I personally like getting a whole new art for Ciel rather than an edit but I also understand people being upset that now a whole artwork is Japanese exclusive
 

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do you guys prefer the art edits or entirely new arts in terms of censorship? I personally like getting a whole new art for Ciel rather than an edit but I also understand people being upset that now a whole artwork is Japanese exclusive
I actually don't like Ciel appearing in the background of Japanese cards. I feel like she and Noir should be mutually exclusive if they're going to be exclusive.
 

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do you guys prefer the art edits or entirely new arts in terms of censorship? I personally like getting a whole new art for Ciel rather than an edit but I also understand people being upset that now a whole artwork is Japanese exclusive
I actually don't like Ciel appearing in the background of Japanese cards. I feel like she and Noir should be mutually exclusive if they're going to be exclusive.

Neither are exclusive, all three are in some of the vpets with the english version using all three of them in the english release of said vpets. aliebit in the first DP20 blanc and noir are enemy only with ciel playable and in the DMX vpet, ciel and blanc are playable with noir an enemy. noir fully appears in the english versions of these devices.

english heroes also has noir in it

2020 card game also has noir in the background of one of bt-3's cards but they mustnt have noticed

so yeah theyre not exclusive to either region

also noir being in all versions of HM *except* the version in the USA which doesnt count as much since those versions dont have ciel
 

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do you guys prefer the art edits or entirely new arts in terms of censorship? I personally like getting a whole new art for Ciel rather than an edit but I also understand people being upset that now a whole artwork is Japanese exclusive
This is a good idea I think. A new art for me.
Gundramon pose in the card, or other digimon, should be made different to not show the forbidden things so that they don't "hard edit" the digimon.
 

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do you guys prefer the art edits or entirely new arts in terms of censorship? I personally like getting a whole new art for Ciel rather than an edit but I also understand people being upset that now a whole artwork is Japanese exclusive
Coming from a Yugioh player, art edits don't bother me anymore. Whereas entirely new arts probably would, though this specific case is a special example since it goes further with Ciel replacing Noir.

This is a funny coincidence as the latest YGO Deck Build Pack introduced the new archetype "Exorsister" which will be interesting to see how they handle that in the TCG.
 
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