Digimon YOU Consider to be Super-Ultimate (Ultra)

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I hope Voltobautamon, Aegisdramon and Ragnalordmon gets more appearances. Not just in... 3D models maybe battle cutscenes are enough to judge. I surely need some results for Raidenmon like seriously.
 

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they also kinda shat on the Mamemon family completely, putting all of them in the same league as the higher Numemon stages
*insert pain reaction image here* I really hope the next Story game fixes what they did to the Mamemon line. Prince Mamemon is kind of a canonical joke but Metal Mamemon and regular Mamemon were just disrespected.
Hopefully by the time the next Story comes, the super ultimate stage would be better understood and finalized. A lot of mega level power inconsistencies you stated sound like very valid criticisms
 

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Ogudomon X
Jesmon GX
Lucemon Shadowlord Mode
Lucemon X
Jupitermon Wrath Mode
Arcadiamon Super Ultimate
Alphamon Ouryuken
Omegamon (all incarnations)
Susanoomon
Gracenovamon
Ragnalordmon
Demon X
Examon X
Huanglongmon
Ordinemon
Quartzmon (unsure)
Abaddomon
DeathXmon
Voltaboutamon (unsure)
Ultimatechaosmon (all incarnations)
Imperialdramon Paladin Mode
Shoutmon X7 Superior Mode
Demon Super Ultimate
Ulforceveedramon Future Mode
Agumon Bond
Gabumon Bond
Apocalymon
Zeedmillenniumon
Ragnamon
Armagemon
Dukemon Crimson Mode

No one else is su but we know Ultimates can take on su's, so it does not matter
 

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I think it's unneeded. Why make a whole new level just to say something is really strong? Heck, even the name feels weak. You just slapped "super" onto an already-existing term.
Mega/Ultimate was unneeded and yet here we are.
 

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Let's give it try (in alphabetic order):

Super Ultimate ++
Jesmon GX
N.E.O.
Ogudomon (X-Antibody)

Super Ultimate +
Abbadomon Core
Alphamon: Ouryuken
Grand Dracumon
Lucemon (X-Antibody)
Mother Eater
Ogudomon
Quartzmon
Ultimate Chaosmon
Yggdrasill Core
ZeedMillenniumon

Super Ultimate
Alphamon
Arkadimon: Super Ultimate
Armagemon
Arresterdramon: Superior Mode (Brave Snatcher)
Chaosmon / Chaosmon: Valdur Arm
Chronomon: Holy Mode / Destroy Mode
Darkness Bagramon
Death-X-mon
Demon (X-Antibody)
Demon: Super Ultimate
Dukemon (X-Antibody)
Examon (X-Antibody)
Gaiamon (Manga Ver.)
Grace Novamon
Grand Generamon
Huanglongmon
Imperialdramon: Paladin Mode
Jesmon X-Antibody
Jupitermon: Wrath Mode
Mother D-Reaper
Lucemon: Satan Mode
Omega Armamon: Burst Mode
Omegamon (X-Antibody)
Omegamon: Merciful Mode
Ordinemon
Ragna Lordmon
Shakamon
Shoutmon X7: Superior Mode
Susanoomon
Tera Devast
Ulforce V-dramon (X-Antibody)
Ulforce V-dramon: Future Mode
 

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I just had a thought: almost all the Digimon that are referred to as Super Ultimates aren't the results of an explicit "evolution", but rather Mode Changes or fusions of other Ultimates. Some media even goes out of its way to specifically label the "fusions" as such and not "Jogress" (which, literally being "joint progress", implies evolution). Maybe it's not important, but the fact that you'll never hear something like "DUKEMON SHINKA....... CRIMSON MODE!!!!!" does seem like it could add to Super Ultimate's lack of distinction as a proper level.

About the only exceptions to this (as I can recall) are Agumon -Yuki no Kizuna-, Gabumon -Yujo no Kizuna-, Arkadimon (Super Ultimate), and Chronomon. But even then, notice that the Kizuna forms and Arkadimon don't even change their names, which could give the impression of them being yet more Mode Changes instead of true evolutions (granted, Arkadimon never changes its name while pretty clearly having an evolution line, so it may be one of the only exceptions..... which actually seems kinda fitting when you consider that it's where the Super Ultimate concept originated in the first place). As for Chronomon, I honestly wonder if its Super Ultimate status is prone to retconning. Wasn't it only called a Super Ultimate in a throwaway line or two in the original Digimon Story game? And this was at a time when Super Ultimates were still barely established in the franchise at all. Furthermore, ever since then, Chronomon has been given its own evolution line (with nothing in between it and its Perfect form, Butenmon, so unless it's pulling a Lucemon, I don't see why it should be skipping stages).

EDIT: I guess Armagemon's an exception too. Though it initially debuted as being a mass fusion of Kuramon, with other media for the longest time treating it as an alternate evolution for Infermon rather than an evolution of Diablomon.
 
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Other than the obvious ones, I also count some Digimon that have canonically evolved from Ultimates regardless of their strength. After all this is more about the stage of evolution and less about the power level. This includes:

GigaSeadramon
Chaosdramon
DinoTigermon
Aegisdramon
Examon
VoltoBautamon
Death-X-mon
Mervamon
Raidenmon
 

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I got into Digimon less than a decade ago through reading the fan wikis so as funny as it may seem, the first Digimon I saw as a "super ultimate" was Valdurmon.
The digimon Fandom wiki tricked me into thinking it was Hououmon's evolution as they don't list it as Yatagaramon's evolution at all (even to this day) so I genuinely thought it was an entire evolution up from the mega stage without being a jogress or mode change which impressed me tons. At the time, I thought it was the strongest digimon I had ever seen other than its further evolution to Chaosmon and I didn't know if digimon who haven't jogressed could get any stronger than Valdurmon. It was only the last few years that I realized it's not Hououmon's evolution and instead is a normal mega designed for the original Falcomon
 

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I got into Digimon less than a decade ago through reading the fan wikis so as funny as it may seem, the first Digimon I saw as a "super ultimate" was Valdurmon.
The digimon Fandom wiki tricked me into thinking it was Hououmon's evolution as they don't list it as Yatagaramon's evolution at all (even to this day) so I genuinely thought it was an entire evolution up from the mega stage without being a jogress or mode change which impressed me tons. At the time, I thought it was the strongest digimon I had ever seen other than its further evolution to Chaosmon and I didn't know if digimon who haven't jogressed could get any stronger than Valdurmon. It was only the last few years that I realized it's not Hououmon's evolution and instead is a normal mega designed for the original Falcomon

Well it does evolve from Hououmon in some of the Korean games, but yes it was "meant" to be from Crowmon 2005. Still doesn't mean Hououmon can't evolve to it tho, cuz it did in said Korean MMOs.
 

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I meant to say that I used to think that it was created to be Hououmon's evolution, which made sense as they are both massively powerful holy bird digimon
 

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For me, only a very small handful of Digimon are Super Ultimate, and they go beyond just evolving from other Ultimates. Omegamon, Dukemon: Crimson Mode, Examon, Grace Novamon, etc. I just consider Ultimate+. Very strong, but otherwise not that notable. Super Ultimates on the other hand go one step further into huge, godlike Digimon almost beyond comprehension, with the "evil" ones threatening the Digital World with their very existence. You know, final boss types. It makes the most sense to me with how Super Ultimate was originally portrayed in V-Tamer. Here's the ones I consider Super Ultimate:

Apocalymon
Armagemon
Imperialdramon: Paladin Mode
Zeed Millenniumon
Huanglongmon
Susanoomon
Lucemon: Larva
Arkadimon (Super Ultimate)
Demon (Super Ultimate)
Ulforce V-dramon: Future Mode
Ogudomon
Agumon Yuuki no Kizuna
Gabumon Yuujou no Kizuna
Ogudomon X
Jesmon GX
Shoutmon X7: Superior Mode
I’ll agree to all of them, but add Omegamon Merciful Mode, Ordinemon, UltimateKhaosmon, and maybe GraceNovamon to that list.
 

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I think it's unneeded. Why make a whole new level just to say something is really strong? Heck, even the name feels weak. You just slapped "super" onto an already-existing term.
By this logic, the concept itself of Level isn’t needed.
It’s not just to say that some Digimon is especially strong, after all, every Megas aren’t particularly powerful either.
That’s just feel weird, for example, to have UltimateChaosmon treated as a regular Mega when it’s 2 « levels » above BanchoLeomon who is already a Mega.

That doesn’t really make sense.

Even Lorewise, the term « Ultimate » sound like an arbitrary word some guy choose to apply to an entire species whose keep evolving to new heights.
 

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That’s just feel weird, for example, to have UltimateChaosmon treated as a regular Mega when it’s 2 « levels » above BanchoLeomon who is already a Mega.
2 levels? I don't think UltimateChaosmon is explicitly an evolution of Chaosmon. I think it's just a regular Chaosmon fusion that added a couple more components. And even then, I don't think it's too hard to picture both Chaosmon and UltimateChaosmon being at the same level: as is, Chaosmon trades stability (or defense in Cyber Sleuth) for power. UltimateChaosmon could just be an even more extreme version of this trade-off.
 

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I agree with this. I honestly wonder if ReArise even considered the fact that Millenniumon has two other forms when they slapped the Super Ultimate label on it. And yes, Chaosdramon already showed us that Mugendramon can evolve without explicitly being a Super Ultimate (and considering it fuses with a Perfect rather than another Ultimate, that seems like all the more justification for a lowkey power-boost). I'm also tempted to point out that vanilla Millenniumon was introduced in an era full of Ultimates who fell horribly to power-creep, but to be fair, one could probably say the same thing about Apocalymon (and I have no problem viewing that as a Super Ultimate). Though I'm kinda torn between whether MoonMillenniumon should count as Millenniumon's "Mode Change", or ZeedMillenniumon's (making Moon also a Super Ultimate). I guess in some respects, MoonMillenniumon isn't explicitly a strength increase so much as it's just "dead Millenniumon", so maybe it would've made the most sense for Zeed to be the only Super Ultimate of the bunch.
I think there is a clear difference between Chaosdramon and Millenniummon.
Chaosdramon is just an upgraded Mugendramon, a better version of an already existing Digimon, while Milli is definitely a « new » Digimon.
It’s not just a stronger Mugendramon (I guess it could fit as a « better » Kimeramon on the other hand), but a new creature with it’s own abilities.
And in term of pure power, it’s definitely above Chaosdramon.
So, I doesn’t mind Millenniummon being a Super-Ultimate, and I guess Zeed is some sort of Ultra+.


And speaking of Digimon that I think shouldn't be considered Super Ultimates, I think they gave Omegamon way too much credit.
I think the opposite, Omegamon should be the flagship of the Super-Ultimate Level, they doesn’t gave him enough credit.

I mean, nobody made a peep about its supposed level in V-Tamer, the media that actually introduced Super Ultimate as a concept
Because nobody made a peep about Holydramon, HerculesKabuterimon and SaberLeomon’s levels in the 90s, when they were still Perfect.
Power-Levels Retcons are a common thing in this series.

(and which also featured Omegamon constantly getting upstaged by the Digimon that would receive an irrefutable Super Ultimate form), plus it got utterly curbstomped by Armaggemon so that Imperialdramon Paladin Mode could make its debut.
I don’t see how that discredit Omegamon being an Ultra.
By this logic, Lucemon Satan Mode shouldn’t be a SU because of Xros Wars, Belphemon Rage Mode shouldn’t be a SU because of V-Tamer (as well), and even Arcadiamon Ultra shouldn’t be a SU because he was defeated by UlForceVeedramon (and we know there a lot of Megas stronger than him).

Sure thing, Omegamon has some terrible feats, but he also has some incredibly good ones.
- In his first ever appearance he casually kill an army of Diablomon’s clones while we know one Diablomon is already a serious threat for a Royal Knight.
- Losing to Armageddemon isn’t a shame, not every Ultras are necessarily as strong as each others.
- He fought some of the most destructive creatures of the license, Ordinemon, Dexmon, Ogudomon X and Mother Eater. Granted he didn’t win, or not alone, but it’s almost always the Digimon the writers use to show how powerful is their Final Boss (same thing for Arcadiamon and Armaggeddemon btw, and even Bolboutamon if we count Alter-B).
- Omegamon X is definitely as strong as Daemon X, if not stronger.
- And of course in Adventure 2020 he’s depicted as a Godlike being who curbstomp ZeedMillenniummmon and give the fight to it’s life to Abaddomon, before even becoming Alter-S.


Though I think this bizarre shift from being a jobber, to a "top tier", was partly the result of a renewed emphasis on Omegamon ever since the Royal Knights became a thing (with Omegamon specifically acting as their leader, or at least when Alphamon isn't around). But going back on what I was saying about memory requirements (with Cyber Sleuth being, I think, the first piece of media to officially recognize Omegamon as a Super Ultimate), they really should've just made Omegamon a higher-grade Ultimate (or Ultimate+). If it required 22 memory, it'd put it on par with all the other Royal Knights (including Examon prior to its retcon), but still put it above WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon, and still comfortably allow room for its own evolutions (Imperialdramon Paladin Mode and Omegamon Merciful Mode, and maybe Omegamon X-Antibody) to count as Super Ultimates. Likewise, Omegamon Zwart, as its counterpart, would also just be an Ultimate+, but Omegamon Zwart-D and Omegamon Alter-B would be Supers.
Omegamon deserved to be a Super-Ultimate and not just a strong Ultimate. After all, Wargreymon was already considered to be a high-tier Ultimate at the time, being equal to Sleipmon according to an official book and even defeating Gankoomon of the Royal Knights (with help) in the PSP game.
That would have been odd to have Omegamon treated as just slightly stronger than him and equal to low-tier RKs.


But then again, I can only say this in hindsight because Merciful Mode and Zwart-D didn't exist at the time (plus, it would screw with the hierarchy of the Royal Knights if Examon, short of having Alphamon around in its Ouryuken form, were the only Super Ultimate among them..... and I fully welcomed Examon's retcon since Data-types really, REALLY needed a win there). The only Digimon that looked awkward being on par with Omegamon at the time was Imperialdramon Paladin Mode, and even then, I guess you could stretch it as Imperialdramon simply receiving a power boost courtesy of Omegamon rather than an explicit evolution (which is probably why that game had Paladin Mode evolve with the Omega Blade as a special item, as opposed to a Jogress).
My headcanon is that Imperialdramon doesn’t really need Omegamon to evolve into Paladin Mode.
He need the « Will from everyone who wish for good/light of hope » which created Omegamon’s body, but not Wargreymon and MetalGarurumon’s datas.


That’s just feel weird, for example, to have UltimateChaosmon treated as a regular Mega when it’s 2 « levels » above BanchoLeomon who is already a Mega.
2 levels? I don't think UltimateChaosmon is explicitly an evolution of Chaosmon. I think it's just a regular Chaosmon fusion that added a couple more components. And even then, I don't think it's too hard to picture both Chaosmon and UltimateChaosmon being at the same level: as is, Chaosmon trades stability (or defense in Cyber Sleuth) for power. UltimateChaosmon could just be an even more extreme version of this trade-off.
I think it is. In the same way Millenniummon isn’t just a « better » Mugendramon, I don’t consider UltimateChaosmon to be just a superior Chaosmon (despite it’s name), it’s a new Digimon with new capacities but definitely on another league compared to the regular Chaosmon.
Also, I don’t see why he would lose anything by evolving when he just add Digimon to his main body.
It’s not a Slide-Evolution like Valdur Arm.
For me, UltimateChaosmon is one of those very unofficial « Lvl 8 » Digimon alongside ZeedMillenniummon, Omegamon Merciful Mode and maybe Shoutmon X7 Superior Mode.
 
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Did you miss the part where I said UltimateChaosmon is sacrificing its stability? I mean, it's even apparent in its design, in which it looks as though it's literally being ripped apart at the seams.

Though if you'd prefer to rationalize that there's such a thing as Level 8, go ahead. Frankly, I think that, with or without the acknowledgement of the Super Ultimate stage, we already have more than enough of a mess full of Ultimates evolving into other Ultimates as is. It shouldn't need to be escalated further than it already is.
 

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Did you miss the part where I said UltimateChaosmon is sacrificing its stability? I mean, it's even apparent in its design, in which it looks as though it's literally being ripped apart at the seams.
I didn’t miss it, I didn’t find it relevant. Why sacrificing it’s stability would mean that UltimateChaosmon isn’t an evolution when Vamdemon become a mindless beast by evolving into VenomVamdemon and any Digimon evolving into Mugendramon is supposed to lose it’s individuality ?

Though if you'd prefer to rationalize that there's such a thing as Level 8, go ahead. Frankly, I think that, with or without the acknowledgement of the Super Ultimate stage, we already have more than enough of a mess full of Ultimates evolving into other Ultimates as is. It shouldn't need to be escalated further than it already is.
Huh ? It’s a mess precisely because some medias considers the Ultimate Level to be the endpoint of their power-ranking.
If the Levels were labeled as 1-2-3-4... without definite limit, that would be easier to understand.
Like in the Card Game in fact.
 

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So I noticed this recent Wikimon update that mentions Super Ultimate digital lifeforms/entities, and I got to thinking: enemy data in the Cyber Sleuth games has levels, doesn't it? Do we have any confirmation that something like Mother Eater is equivalent to a Super Ultimate?
 
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