I agree with this. I honestly wonder if ReArise even considered the fact that Millenniumon has two other forms when they slapped the Super Ultimate label on it. And yes, Chaosdramon already showed us that Mugendramon can evolve without explicitly being a Super Ultimate (and considering it fuses with a Perfect rather than another Ultimate, that seems like all the more justification for a lowkey power-boost). I'm also tempted to point out that vanilla Millenniumon was introduced in an era full of Ultimates who fell horribly to power-creep, but to be fair, one could probably say the same thing about Apocalymon (and I have no problem viewing that as a Super Ultimate). Though I'm kinda torn between whether MoonMillenniumon should count as Millenniumon's "Mode Change", or ZeedMillenniumon's (making Moon also a Super Ultimate). I guess in some respects, MoonMillenniumon isn't explicitly a strength increase so much as it's just "dead Millenniumon", so maybe it would've made the most sense for Zeed to be the only Super Ultimate of the bunch.
I think there is a clear difference between Chaosdramon and Millenniummon.
Chaosdramon is just an upgraded Mugendramon, a better version of an already existing Digimon, while Milli is definitely a « new » Digimon.
It’s not just a stronger Mugendramon (I guess it could fit as a « better » Kimeramon on the other hand), but a new creature with it’s own abilities.
And in term of pure power, it’s definitely above Chaosdramon.
So, I doesn’t mind Millenniummon being a Super-Ultimate, and I guess Zeed is some sort of Ultra+.
And speaking of Digimon that I think shouldn't be considered Super Ultimates, I think they gave Omegamon way too much credit.
I think the opposite, Omegamon should be the flagship of the Super-Ultimate Level, they doesn’t gave him enough credit.
I mean, nobody made a peep about its supposed level in V-Tamer, the media that actually introduced Super Ultimate as a concept
Because nobody made a peep about Holydramon, HerculesKabuterimon and SaberLeomon’s levels in the 90s, when they were still Perfect.
Power-Levels Retcons are a common thing in this series.
(and which also featured Omegamon constantly getting upstaged by the Digimon that would receive an irrefutable Super Ultimate form), plus it got utterly curbstomped by Armaggemon so that Imperialdramon Paladin Mode could make its debut.
I don’t see how that discredit Omegamon being an Ultra.
By this logic, Lucemon Satan Mode shouldn’t be a SU because of Xros Wars, Belphemon Rage Mode shouldn’t be a SU because of V-Tamer (as well), and even Arcadiamon Ultra shouldn’t be a SU because he was defeated by UlForceVeedramon (and we know there a lot of Megas stronger than him).
Sure thing, Omegamon has some terrible feats, but he also has some incredibly good ones.
- In his first ever appearance he casually kill an army of Diablomon’s clones while we know one Diablomon is already a serious threat for a Royal Knight.
- Losing to Armageddemon isn’t a shame, not every Ultras are necessarily as strong as each others.
- He fought some of the most destructive creatures of the license, Ordinemon, Dexmon, Ogudomon X and Mother Eater. Granted he didn’t win, or not alone, but it’s almost always the Digimon the writers use to show how powerful is their Final Boss (same thing for Arcadiamon and Armaggeddemon btw, and even Bolboutamon if we count Alter-B).
- Omegamon X is definitely as strong as Daemon X, if not stronger.
- And of course in Adventure 2020 he’s depicted as a Godlike being who curbstomp ZeedMillenniummmon and give the fight to it’s life to Abaddomon, before even becoming Alter-S.
Though I think this bizarre shift from being a jobber, to a "top tier", was partly the result of a renewed emphasis on Omegamon ever since the Royal Knights became a thing (with Omegamon specifically acting as their leader, or at least when Alphamon isn't around). But going back on what I was saying about memory requirements (with Cyber Sleuth being, I think, the first piece of media to officially recognize Omegamon as a Super Ultimate), they really should've just made Omegamon a higher-grade Ultimate (or Ultimate+). If it required 22 memory, it'd put it on par with all the other Royal Knights (including Examon prior to its retcon), but still put it above WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon, and still comfortably allow room for its own evolutions (Imperialdramon Paladin Mode and Omegamon Merciful Mode, and maybe Omegamon X-Antibody) to count as Super Ultimates. Likewise, Omegamon Zwart, as its counterpart, would also just be an Ultimate+, but Omegamon Zwart-D and Omegamon Alter-B would be Supers.
Omegamon deserved to be a Super-Ultimate and not just a strong Ultimate. After all, Wargreymon was already considered to be a high-tier Ultimate at the time, being equal to Sleipmon according to an official book and even defeating Gankoomon of the Royal Knights (with help) in the PSP game.
That would have been odd to have Omegamon treated as just slightly stronger than him and equal to low-tier RKs.
But then again, I can only say this in hindsight because Merciful Mode and Zwart-D didn't exist at the time (plus, it would screw with the hierarchy of the Royal Knights if Examon, short of having Alphamon around in its Ouryuken form, were the only Super Ultimate among them..... and I fully welcomed Examon's retcon since Data-types really, REALLY needed a win there). The only Digimon that looked awkward being on par with Omegamon at the time was Imperialdramon Paladin Mode, and even then, I guess you could stretch it as Imperialdramon simply receiving a power boost courtesy of Omegamon rather than an explicit evolution (which is probably why that game had Paladin Mode evolve with the Omega Blade as a special item, as opposed to a Jogress).
My headcanon is that Imperialdramon doesn’t really need Omegamon to evolve into Paladin Mode.
He need the « Will from everyone who wish for good/light of hope » which created Omegamon’s body, but not Wargreymon and MetalGarurumon’s datas.
That’s just feel weird, for example, to have UltimateChaosmon treated as a regular Mega when it’s 2 « levels » above BanchoLeomon who is already a Mega.
2 levels? I don't think UltimateChaosmon is explicitly an evolution of Chaosmon. I think it's just a regular Chaosmon fusion that added a couple more components. And even then, I don't think it's too hard to picture both Chaosmon and UltimateChaosmon being at the same level: as is, Chaosmon trades stability (or defense in Cyber Sleuth) for power. UltimateChaosmon could just be an even more extreme version of this trade-off.
I think it is. In the same way Millenniummon isn’t just a « better » Mugendramon, I don’t consider UltimateChaosmon to be just a superior Chaosmon (despite it’s name), it’s a new Digimon with new capacities but definitely on another league compared to the regular Chaosmon.
Also, I don’t see why he would lose anything by evolving when he just add Digimon to his main body.
It’s not a Slide-Evolution like Valdur Arm.
For me, UltimateChaosmon is one of those very unofficial « Lvl 8 » Digimon alongside ZeedMillenniummon, Omegamon Merciful Mode and maybe Shoutmon X7 Superior Mode.
