Digimon YOU Consider to be Super-Ultimate (Ultra)

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Hey everyone! Super-Ultimate (or Ultra) is a super-tenuous categorisation that some iterations of the franchise ignore, and some embrace completely. I'm curious where people's line is for Super-Ultimates; do you only consider the two Digimon specifically named "Super Ultimate" to be of that level, do you see it as a "top tier Mega" category, or do you dismiss it as a one off thing that doesn't matter outside of V-Tamer?

Here's my list:

Abbadomon Core
Agumon Yuki no Kizuna
Alphamon: Ouryuken
Apocalymon
Arkadimon Super Ultimate
Armagemon
Belphemon: Rage Mode (+Mutant)
Chaosmon / Chaosmon: Valdur Arm
Chronomon: Destroy Mode / Holy Mode
Demon Super Ultimate
Dukemon: Crimson Mode
Examon
Gabumon Yujo no Kizuna
GraceNovamon
Huanglongmon
Imperialdramon: Paladin Mode
Lucemon X / Satan Mode (+Mutant)
Millenniumon
MoonMillenniumon
Omegamon / Alter-B / Alter-S / X / Zwart / Zwart Defeat / Merciful Mode
Shoutmon X7: Superior Mode
Susanoomon
UlforceVeedramon: Future Mode
UltimateChaosmon
ZeedMillenniumon

For me it's a case of them being a post-Mega Digimon. I come close to also considering Aegisdramon as a Super-Ultimate based on it being a Jogress of two Mega level Digimon (which is a large part of why GraceNovamon and Huanglongmon are present) but the lack of appearances makes this difficult to say one way or the other. I'm not completely sold on base Millenniumon being Super-Ultimate, but Moon- and Zeed- most definitely are. X7 Superior and Paladin Mode are easy choices for me since I already consider Omegamon to be in this tier, and they both use one as material.

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For me, only a very small handful of Digimon are Super Ultimate, and they go beyond just evolving from other Ultimates. Omegamon, Dukemon: Crimson Mode, Examon, Grace Novamon, etc. I just consider Ultimate+. Very strong, but otherwise not that notable. Super Ultimates on the other hand go one step further into huge, godlike Digimon almost beyond comprehension, with the "evil" ones threatening the Digital World with their very existence. You know, final boss types. It makes the most sense to me with how Super Ultimate was originally portrayed in V-Tamer. Here's the ones I consider Super Ultimate:

Apocalymon
Armagemon
Imperialdramon: Paladin Mode
Zeed Millenniumon
Huanglongmon
Susanoomon
Lucemon: Larva
Arkadimon (Super Ultimate)
Demon (Super Ultimate)
Ulforce V-dramon: Future Mode
Ogudomon
Agumon Yuuki no Kizuna
Gabumon Yuujou no Kizuna
Ogudomon X
Jesmon GX
Shoutmon X7: Superior Mode
 

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I think it's unneeded. Why make a whole new level just to say something is really strong? Heck, even the name feels weak. You just slapped "super" onto an already-existing term.
 

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A lot of other places use Ultra as a name. Like the ReArise game. I only know this because I got a Super version of the Bonds Agu/Gabu and they'll called Ultra.
 

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The only one of yours that I'd dispute would be Huanglongmon.
I know they're meant to be a fusion of the Sovereign in most lore, but I just see them as another strong Mega.
Maybe just cuz it's an old Digimon from back when Mega was the final stage.

As Tortoiseshel said; Jesmon GX, Ogudomon and Ogudomon X
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Rafflesimon was initially meant to be an Ultra, but she's often used as a standard Mega, so she could count as either.
Kinda the same case with Imperialdramon: Fighter Mode, Belphemon: Rage Mode, and Lucemon: Satan Mode.
And either/or for the Burst Modes as well.
 

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Huanglongmon was at one point the God of the Digital World, so if we’re awarding honorary Super Ultimate status, it would be a good candidate.
 

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Yeah that was the metric I was using for Huanglongmon. I was thinking less about how it evolves and more about its role in DigiCosmology.
 

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Oh yeah, I'm not saying it's illogical or anything.
Just my personal preference to see all the Sovereigns as Megas.

Not that I really consider Yggdrasil part of the traditional scale, but what about 7D6?
I think cuz of Cyber Sleuth, I consider it to be a Mega level if anything, since they're treated almost like branches of the main body.
 

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Gabumon and Agumons final evolutions in the adventure series maybe.
 

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I kinda like to keep Ultra and Super Ultimate levels separated. Super Ultimate Digimons are only the ones that "officially" are that level like Arcadimon or Daemon. On the other hand Digimons that are already Mega lvl and evolve further (but not mode change) are all Ultra lvl to me.
 

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The only one of yours that I'd dispute would be Huanglongmon.
I know they're meant to be a fusion of the Sovereign in most lore, but I just see them as another strong Mega.
Maybe just cuz it's an old Digimon from back when Mega was the final stage.

As Tortoiseshel said; Jesmon GX, Ogudomon and Ogudomon X
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Rafflesimon was initially meant to be an Ultra, but she's often used as a standard Mega, so she could count as either.
Kinda the same case with Imperialdramon: Fighter Mode, Belphemon: Rage Mode, and Lucemon: Satan Mode.
And either/or for the Burst Modes as well.

I cannot believe I left of Raffieslmon, Jesmon GX, Ogudomon and Ogudomon X (Literally following my strong mega Jogress formula), with DarknessBagramon also making sense.

I kinda like to keep Ultra and Super Ultimate levels separated. Super Ultimate Digimons are only the ones that "officially" are that level like Arcadimon or Daemon. On the other hand Digimons that are already Mega lvl and evolve further (but not mode change) are all Ultra lvl to me.

I might have misunderstood but aren't Super Ultimate and Ultra just the Japanese and English versions of the level name? Not trying to encroach on your personal headcanon or anything, and it may well be two different terms, but that was my understanding.
 

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Rafflesimon has never felt like a Super Ultimate to me. They feel like a Mega, sure, but Super Ultimates I see as the absolute strongest of all Megas, the sort of beings who can destroy either the Digital or Human world without the help of another digimon. Megadramon X I can see as Super Ultimate, for example
 

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The only one of the currently existing list (as in the current Digimon that have been given the level) I disagree with is Milleniummon I would only put Zeed as the Ultra there with Milli as a Mega who can mode change to Moon and then Zeed is their Ultra evovled form. I know he's an evolution of Machinedramon, but so is ChaosDramon and he's just a regular Mega.

As for others, mostly Jogresses of Digimon like Rafflesimon, RagnaLordmon, and GraceNovamon who will most likely be Ultra should they get used in future games (although Raff has been used as a regualr Digimon more often than not annoyingly enough...).

Jesmon GX, Shoutmon X7F, Ogudomon (and X), MegaDarknessBagramon, Abbadomon Core are some others that I think would. I'm probably missing some of the other Jogresses, but if theyre a Jogress of two Megas I would place them as Ultra.

Originally I would've said things like the Burst Modes but I've since levelled out on those after seeing them as Megas in all recent media. So now it's more like there's Mega, Mega+, and Ultra with Burst being on Mega+.
 

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I think it's unneeded. Why make a whole new level just to say something is really strong? Heck, even the name feels weak. You just slapped "super" onto an already-existing term.
I guess the idea behind the rather simple naming is that "Super Ultimates" are still a kind of "Ultimate", they've just apparently reached a new apex that may or may not be considered a whole different league from average Ultimates (depending on the media)...... a sort of Schroedinger's level, if you will.

To begin with, the Super Ultimate stage was almost exclusive to V-Tamers. It'd get a passing reference here and there (ex. Chronomon in the first Digimon Story), but it seems like a Level 7 has only truly come into prominence within the past decade.

Huanglongmon was at one point the God of the Digital World, so if we’re awarding honorary Super Ultimate status, it would be a good candidate.
Huanglongmon IS confirmed to be a Super Ultimate. This is apparently the case in ReArise. Not that I've played it, but Wikimon features a listing of Digimon who have been officially considered a Super Ultimate within at least one piece of media.

Granted, this listing is subject to change (I remember at one point, it included things like the X-Antibody versions of Minervamon or LordKnightmon due to the V-pet supposedly treating them as higher-grade Ultimates).

Originally I would've said things like the Burst Modes but I've since levelled out on those after seeing them as Megas in all recent media. So now it's more like there's Mega, Mega+, and Ultra with Burst being on Mega+.
Yeah, this sounds about right. Ultimate+ would make for a good in-between. Incidentally, I thought Cyber Sleuth had a really good system going with its incremental memory requirements (which also tended to be directly tied to a Digimon's stat totals). A lot average Ultimates would have a memory requirement of 18, while something like a Royal Knight or Demon Lord would have a memory requirement of 22 (and ALL Super Ultimates were equally at the highest requirement of 25, which makes for a nice way of simplifying it to "Super Ultimates are the best of the best"). My only problem with it is that Cyber Sleuth showed a LOT of bias towards things like anime protagonist Digimon, though especially the goggle boy mains (ex. WarGreymon needs 20 memory, MetalGarurumon needs 18), and for whatever bizarre reason, neither Beelzebumon Blast Mode nor Duftmon Leopard Mode (both 25 memory) qualified for that coveted Super title (they also kinda shat on the Mamemon family completely, putting all of them in the same league as the higher Numemon stages). For the most part, though, I thought it made for a nice way of indicating varying levels of strength within the same evolutionary stages.

The only one of the currently existing list (as in the current Digimon that have been given the level) I disagree with is Milleniummon I would only put Zeed as the Ultra there with Milli as a Mega who can mode change to Moon and then Zeed is their Ultra evovled form. I know he's an evolution of Machinedramon, but so is ChaosDramon and he's just a regular Mega.
I agree with this. I honestly wonder if ReArise even considered the fact that Millenniumon has two other forms when they slapped the Super Ultimate label on it. And yes, Chaosdramon already showed us that Mugendramon can evolve without explicitly being a Super Ultimate (and considering it fuses with a Perfect rather than another Ultimate, that seems like all the more justification for a lowkey power-boost). I'm also tempted to point out that vanilla Millenniumon was introduced in an era full of Ultimates who fell horribly to power-creep, but to be fair, one could probably say the same thing about Apocalymon (and I have no problem viewing that as a Super Ultimate). Though I'm kinda torn between whether MoonMillenniumon should count as Millenniumon's "Mode Change", or ZeedMillenniumon's (making Moon also a Super Ultimate). I guess in some respects, MoonMillenniumon isn't explicitly a strength increase so much as it's just "dead Millenniumon", so maybe it would've made the most sense for Zeed to be the only Super Ultimate of the bunch.

And speaking of Digimon that I think shouldn't be considered Super Ultimates, I think they gave Omegamon way too much credit. I mean, nobody made a peep about its supposed level in V-Tamer, the media that actually introduced Super Ultimate as a concept (and which also featured Omegamon constantly getting upstaged by the Digimon that would receive an irrefutable Super Ultimate form), plus it got utterly curbstomped by Armaggemon so that Imperialdramon Paladin Mode could make its debut. Though I think this bizarre shift from being a jobber, to a "top tier", was partly the result of a renewed emphasis on Omegamon ever since the Royal Knights became a thing (with Omegamon specifically acting as their leader, or at least when Alphamon isn't around). But going back on what I was saying about memory requirements (with Cyber Sleuth being, I think, the first piece of media to officially recognize Omegamon as a Super Ultimate), they really should've just made Omegamon a higher-grade Ultimate (or Ultimate+). If it required 22 memory, it'd put it on par with all the other Royal Knights (including Examon prior to its retcon), but still put it above WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon, and still comfortably allow room for its own evolutions (Imperialdramon Paladin Mode and Omegamon Merciful Mode, and maybe Omegamon X-Antibody) to count as Super Ultimates. Likewise, Omegamon Zwart, as its counterpart, would also just be an Ultimate+, but Omegamon Zwart-D and Omegamon Alter-B would be Supers.

But then again, I can only say this in hindsight because Merciful Mode and Zwart-D didn't exist at the time (plus, it would screw with the hierarchy of the Royal Knights if Examon, short of having Alphamon around in its Ouryuken form, were the only Super Ultimate among them..... and I fully welcomed Examon's retcon since Data-types really, REALLY needed a win there). The only Digimon that looked awkward being on par with Omegamon at the time was Imperialdramon Paladin Mode, and even then, I guess you could stretch it as Imperialdramon simply receiving a power boost courtesy of Omegamon rather than an explicit evolution (which is probably why that game had Paladin Mode evolve with the Omega Blade as a special item, as opposed to a Jogress).

As for others, mostly Jogresses of Digimon like Rafflesimon, RagnaLordmon, and GraceNovamon who will most likely be Ultra should they get used in future games (although Raff has been used as a regualr Digimon more often than not annoyingly enough...).
Considering RagnaLordmon is in the card game as a Level 7, I think it's a safe bet to already consider it a Super Ultimate. Real shame that Rafflesimon seems to be getting treated as just a regular Ultimate, though. As I said before with Examon, Data Digimon are sorely in need of having more officially-recognized Ultimates (and given that Rafflesimon debuted as a fusion of Rosemon and Lotusmon, it would've made sense). Though, I'm sure the existence of JesmonGX is making it up a bit for Data-types.

As for Digimon I'd consider Super Ultimates, I like to think that ALL the Demon Lords' X-Antibody forms qualify. It'd put them all on equal footing, with some of them already seeming to be Supers (Belphemon X is modeled after its Rage Mode, which is already a Super Ultimate, while Demon X's profile states that it "surpasses" Super Ultimates..... of course, power-scaling is friggin' ridiculous as is, so let's just say it achieved its desired Super Ultimate stage). Plus, it'd make X-Antibody forms act as viable alternatives for the Super Ultimate forms that Lucemon, Demon, and Belphemon (and Beelzebumon) already have. The one wrench in this is that Beelzebumon X already appeared in ReArise, where it's apparently considered a plain Ultimate. But as Examon proved, there's always rooms for retconning, and it would be nice if they made it up for Beelzebumon after, as I mentioned before, they already they screwed its other alternate form, Blast Mode, out of having the Super Ultimate level despite having the in-game qualification.

Meanwhile, Ogudomon is an obvious contender for Super Ultimate, being the fusion of all 7 Demon Lords. However, Ogudomon X shouldn't be the fusion of all 7 Demon Lords' X-Antibody forms, as I think they should already be Super Ultimates. Instead, Ogudomon X can be either a simple X-Antibody conversion of Ogudomon (one that doesn't explicitly change levels, like DarkKnightmon or my suggestion of the Demon Lords, but only rearranges parameters in a roughly equal manner), or an evolution of Diablomon X (whom, using Paladin Mode logic, borrows energy from the X-Antibody Demon Lords).
 

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The list only had Minervamon x and others because someone mistook the vpets lv7 for su but lv7 isn't su as the vpet says mega+ not su. That list is accurate those those explicitly stated as su. (Card lv7 also isn't su as the cards say mega on them). Minerva x was only listed for a few days.
 

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(Card lv7 also isn't su as the cards say mega on them)
Yes, but the same is true of the other Level 7 Digimon in the card game (all of whom have been recognized as Super Ultimates in prior media). Basically, the new card game is a piece of media that doesn't seem to acknowledge the term "Super Ultimate", yet it does acknowledge a Level 7.
 

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(Card lv7 also isn't su as the cards say mega on them)
Yes, but the same is true of the other Level 7 Digimon in the card game (all of whom have been recognized as Super Ultimates in prior media). Basically, the new card game is a piece of media that doesn't seem to acknowledge the term "Super Ultimate", yet it does acknowledge a Level 7.

Yeah 'tis stupid really. Him being lv7 in the cards basically confirms he'll be tagged as ultra evevtually though. Maybe the next story game.

Kinda glad the vpets use mega+ though some have silly stuff as lv7 there like base alphamon for example
 

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Though, I'm sure the existence of JesmonGX is making it up a bit for Data-types.
Come to think of it, I guess I can now add ShoutmonX7 Superior Mode to that (still ridiculously tiny) list of likely Data Super Ultimates.
 

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The Ultimate level already varies too much for me to care about power levels perse. For instance - Platinum Numemon is just a shinier, flying Numemon that throws hard poops. Griffomon and Plesiomon are basically just Perfect-levels with an extra bit of omph. WarGreymon, MetalGarurumon, and Mugendramon are like demigods or titans. A lot of Ultimates are literal gods.

So I just go with the simple definition of "It logically evolves from a pre-existing Ultimate". Some of these used to be hinted to be Super-Ultimate but were later downgraded (Rafflesiamon and Aegisdramon).

Abbadomon Core, Aegisdramon, Agumon -Yuki no Kizuna-, Alphamon: Ouryuken, Apocalymon, Arkadimon Super Ultimate, Armagemon, Bancho Leomon Burst Mode, Beelzebumon: Blast Mode, Belial Vamdemon, Chaosdramon, Chaosmon, Chaosmon: Valdur Arm, Darkness Bagramon, Demon Super Ultimate, Dukemon: Chaos Mode, Dukemon: Crimson Mode, Examon, Gabumon -Yujo no Kizuna-, Gaioumon: Itto Mode, Grace Novamon, Huanglongmon, Imperialdramon: Paladin Mode, Jesmon GX, Jet Mervamon, Junomon: Hysteric Mode, Jupitermon: Wrath Mode, Lucemon: Satan Mode, Millenniumon (all 3), Mirage Gaogamon: Burst Mode, Ogudomon, Omegamon(s), Ordinemon, Rafflesimon, Ragna Lordmon, Raidenmon, Ravmon: Burst Mode, Rosemon: Burst Mode, Shakamon, Shine Greymon: Burst Mode, Shine Greymon: Ruin Mode, Shoutmon X7: Superior Mode, Sleipmon: Burst Mode, Susanoomon, Ulforce V-dramon Future Mode, Ultimate Chaosmon, Voltobautamon
 
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