Digimon Profile #35- The Dark Area of the Digital World

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D5-CP5 is a card for the Super Digica Taisen video game/card set, so that would mean he is considered a royal knight exclusively in the SDT universe not Adventure, similar to how VeeVee was a Royal Knight in Cyber Sleuth but was not Royal Knight in Next Order.
 

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Veevee became a Royal Knight in Cyber-Sleuth for specific reasons, it has a context, a story behind it.
Omegamon’s card state that he’s Taichi’s Digimon and that he’s a Royal Knight, nothing more. Everything else is up to interpretation.

Now, if we assume that a specific Digimon can be considered a Royal Knight in some universes but not others, that make the title of RK pretty useless.
You could potentially meet the Royal Knight Duftmon, except you wouldn’t know it because in the place where you met him, he doesn’t hold the title of RK.
Basically meeting a cop outside of it’s country.
 

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I mean that's kinda the point. If a RK dimension travels the likelyhood is he'll arrive and the RKs of the new universe already have a RK version of your species making you not a RK in this universe. It's literally just a job title they're hired for and can be fired from and doesn't magically make you stronger or w.e
 

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I'm very sure they didn't think deeply about it when adding a Royal Knights mention on those Super Digica cards outside of "oh, we can allude to this fun thing from the reference book" and I'm very sure no media is going to even remember and/or slightly care about that time a card did that.
Because, honestly, an obscure and one time inconsistency from over a decade ago is unlikely to mean anything

It's literally just a job title they're hired for and can be fired from and doesn't magically make you stronger or w.e

I could easily headcanon that being a champion of that universe's system management probably comes with buffs like how we know from Craniumon's reference book entry that Yggdrasil personally gives its Craniumon Royal Knight its black digizoid armor
 

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with the Adventure anime sequels not being compatible with this universal yoinking I can only think of 4 possible explanations
Who said that ?
1.) These characters were pulled from the same exact anime universe but the universe they came from is 100% unaffected because it was a copy and paste over, not a physical transfer. What happens in XW universe onwards only exists in the XW universe; so "cloning"

2.) These characters are pulled from an identical or near identical universe to the anime where thing that happen in the XW universe do go back with them

3.) Adventure, 02, Tri and Kizuna are separate universes from each other, which seems very unlikely?

4.) Amnesia (most boring, copout answer)

so where is the evidence of 1 being less headcanon?
5) The events of Xros Wars happened but the characters don't talk about it because that would be completly irrelevant to the current situation.

- Tai ! Eosmon kidnapped all of our friends !
- Oh no ! But don't worry, Matt, I have a plan. Do you remember when we fought Quartzmon with all thoses Tamers from different universes ?
- Sure. but how is it related to our current problem ?
- It's not :p
- ...
- Lol.
I'm very sure they didn't think deeply about it when adding a Royal Knights mention on those Super Digica cards outside of "oh, we can allude to this fun thing from the reference book" and I'm very sure no media is going to even remember and/or slightly care about that time a card did that.
Because, honestly, an obscure and one time inconsistency from over a decade ago is unlikely to mean anything

It mean as much as the example Theigno used in his argument.
 
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D5-CP5 is a card for the Super Digica Taisen video game/card set, so that would mean he is considered a royal knight exclusively in the SDT universe not Adventure, similar to how VeeVee was a Royal Knight in Cyber Sleuth but was not Royal Knight in Next Order.
Speaking strictly, it was not a Royal Knight in Cyber Sleuth. The UlforceV-dramon Royal Knight in Cyber Sleuth tried to cross between worlds, failed, and died horribly. You needed an UlforceV-dramon to catch up with and stop Sleipmon, even if it wasn't the original, and in CS you couldn't evolve into the Royal Knights until the missions that were IIRC postgame, so you were rerouted to the Next Order universe temporarily by Mirei and her Mastemon (a task which would have required you give up your body if you had one at the moment and was only doable because of Mastemon being a Chaosmon and thus fucking with how shit works by existing) to get ahold of that Ulforce.

It never technically joined the Royal Knights, it just helped you stop and then fight Sleipmon, and hung around for a bit afterwards to help with the whole Eater thing.
 

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in CS you couldn't evolve into the Royal Knights until the missions that were IIRC postgame
End game. All the missions could be done before the final boss (even the Imperialdramon Paladin Mode one, which only required the Yggdrasil_7D6 to be cleared out of the first couple areas in the Digital World). In contrast, Hacker's Memory had quite a bit of true post-game content by virtue of locking you out of a lot of things during the final chapter.
 

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It’s literally the same Digimon who works for Homeostasis, something that has been established to be specific to the Royal Knights in the Xros Wars Manga.
He doesn’t show a lot of personality in Tri, so saying that he’s different than in Adventure PSP is nothing more than a biased point of view.
And once again, Cyber-Sleuth itself established that the RKs could travel between Universes with Veevee coming from the Digimon World Universe to replace the UlForceVeedramon from the Digimon Story Universe, so Hackmon coming from Cyber-Sleuth doesn’t contradict the fact that he’s a Royal Knight in Adventure Tri.

The bias is all on your side. There is nothing to suggest that it's the same Hackmon. Certainly nothing in the Xros Wars manga to suggest it, since the Xros Wars manga has nothing to do with Tri. Even if you say his personality is somehow the same, it doesn't explain the change of voice. Finally, VV didn't switch universes on his own power. Mirei had to make it possible. And, as pointed out above, he wasn't even a Royal Knight in the first place.
 

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It’s literally the same Digimon who works for Homeostasis, something that has been established to be specific to the Royal Knights in the Xros Wars Manga.
He doesn’t show a lot of personality in Tri, so saying that he’s different than in Adventure PSP is nothing more than a biased point of view.
And once again, Cyber-Sleuth itself established that the RKs could travel between Universes with Veevee coming from the Digimon World Universe to replace the UlForceVeedramon from the Digimon Story Universe, so Hackmon coming from Cyber-Sleuth doesn’t contradict the fact that he’s a Royal Knight in Adventure Tri.

The bias is all on your side. There is nothing to suggest that it's the same Hackmon.
Except all the evidences I gave and that you keep ignoring or denying.
You're the only one biased, here.
Ockham Razor is a thing. And there is nothing to suggest that it's not the same Hackmon.
Certainly nothing in the Xros Wars manga to suggest it, since the Xros Wars manga has nothing to do with Tri.
Oh, sure. That DIGIMON Manga in which characters from DIGIMON ADVENTURE appear (alongside characters from others continuity) has absolutely nothing to do with DIGIMON ADVENTURE Tri 😐
Even if you say his personality is somehow the same,
So, you admit you invented a change of personality, which is not only debatable at best, but doesn't even suggest that it's not the same Hackmon since a change of personality could be justified by the change of situation between Adventure PSP and Tri.
it doesn't explain the change of voice.
Good thing it doesn't need to be explained. Seiyuus aren't canon to the story.
Or are you suggesting that Bulma became a different character when her original Seiyuu died a few years ago ?
Finally, VV didn't switch universes on his own power. Mirei had to make it possible. And, as pointed out above, he wasn't even a Royal Knight in the first place.
There is a difference between saying: "The RKs can't travel between worlds" and "The RKs can travel between worlds with outside help".
Even if Gankoomon and Hackmon/Jesmon needed help from Mirei or anyone else to switch between CS Universe and the Anime Universes, my point would still stand.
 
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Ockham Razor is a thing. And there is nothing to suggest that it's not the same Hackmon.
Ockham's razor concerns the multiplication of parameters in general, not how many entities we're left with in the end.
Assuming two Hackmon does not really introduce any additional need for explanations. We already have a fully working explanation for who he is (The same Hackmon we see in Cyber Sleuth as part of their Royal Knights), as well as how he ended up in the Adventure PSP mission (The spatial control core, which also threw lots of other characters from different settings into the same space). This is information that we have irrespective of tri even existing, so it would be incorrect to call it assumptions introduced in order to justify the Hackmon in tri.

Even if Gankoomon and Hackmon/Jesmon needed help from Mirei or anyone else to switch between CS Universe and the Anime Universes, my point would still stand.
On the other hand, claiming that random other characters which the CS Hackmon didn't really interact with helped him cross to another universe for unknown reasons is exactly the sort of bizarre claim that goes against Ockham's razor, because "He just isn't the same" is clearly the simpler option in comparison.

5) The events of Xros Wars happened but the characters don't talk about it because that would be completly irrelevant to the current situation.

- Tai ! Eosmon kidnapped all of our friends !
- Oh no ! But don't worry, Matt, I have a plan. Do you remember when we fought Quartzmon with all thoses Tamers from different universes ?
- Sure. but how is it related to our current problem ?
- It's not :p
- ...
- Lol.
I don't buy that anyone who thinks about it for more than one minute could overlook the implications of the Hunters Crossover for Zero Two in general.

Taichi should have been aware from the very first episode of Zero Two, or even before (since he was his soccer coach) that Daisuke will be a chosen child by 2002 and that V-mon is his partner. Yet, in the first episode of Zero Two he was clearly surprised by Daisuke being a chosen child.

Or remember when Taichi saw Ken's photo in episode 8 and immediately pointed out that he's a chosen child, that he will be Daisuke's friend very soon, and that his partner, who he knows is Wormmon, and V-mon jogress together to Imperialdramon Fighter Mode? I sure don't, even though he witnessed all of that in Xros Wars.

Then there's the whole mid-section of Zero Two where the whole theme is the characters struggling to accept Ken as one of them and Ken's own insecurity about whether he can truly be "good" like the others. If only there were at least five characters around who were involved in a conflict during which they saw that Ken most definitely will earnestly change sides, be on very good terms with the rest of them and even be recognized as one of the heroes who saved their world. That sure would have simplified things a lot.

And it's not like they were whisked away just for the fight and returned before they could make sense of anything: We see all the previous Protagonists assembled in episode 14. That's ten whole episodes before the final battle and I am not going to try to compile an exact timeline of Hunters for this, but given the rather slow pace of the show they were in that world for at least a week.
Tentomon was going around gathering enough information to accurately explain on to the point of being able to explain everyone's evolution techniques, so we know there was plenty of communication during that time. And you think he just missed asking any of the people that he knows are from the future of his own world about what happens in that future?

So why would they not know about everything else that would happen during Zero Two?
Taichi, Yamato, Sora, Jou, Mimi and given Tentomon's presence probably Koushiro from were there from Adventure, and Ken, Miyako, Daisuke and Iori from Zero Two (We see Angewomon and Angemon in another shot, but I'm not counting them for now since they could go either way). That's lots of characters even besides Tentomon that could have asked lots of other characters all sorts of things that could have huge consequences for how the plot of Zero Two would play out (such as "why are there glowing butterflies swirling around Ken?")

At some point a low possibility of a specific event not happening is just as relevant as the opposite, it's the sort of departure from basic common sense that turns something from absence of evidence to evidence of absence.
 

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Kakudo is not god and never was. Digimon is the product of hundreds of people besides him and his view isn't absolute. You are also completely blowing things out of proportion if you think that the mere mention of taking inspiration is equal to complete adherence to some framework of mysticism that he never even completely expressed in the projects he was involved in.

I would also like to point out the irony in complaining about "interpretation and opinion" when the very question of how much the opinion of a writer even matters is one of interpretation and opinion.
The nineteenth century has ended a long while ago and intentionalism is by far no longer the only way to approach the interpretation of art.
Kakudo is one of the main guys as lore and the series go. To insinuate that some fans oppinion> Kakudo's statements is a fallacy in of itself.And his view was used plenty of times from the Xros Wars manga to the Cyber Sleuth,Hacker's Memory,Survive and Decode games. It is the dominant viewpoint of the series.


Wait, you are trying to claim that Adventure lore applies to Savers because of the Xros Wars Manga even though you don't even have proof that the Xros Wars Manga is canon to Savers?
The bizarre amalgamation of different settings in the Xros Wars Manga is pretty much incompatible with anything besides itself.
Especially if you do include crossovers because anything besides the Xros Wars Manga does portray different worlds as actual different worlds and not one world overwriting its own timeline repeatedly.
Bagramon literally falls to the place Yggdrasil's Divine Tree was in Savers. The same place the DATS meet the RKs,the same World Tree Shinegreymon blew up. Masaru and Shinegreymon even show up in a panel and the events of Savers where Yggdrasil tried to anihilate humanity are reminded. So yeah nice try.

I don't believe that this interpretation is consistent with how the setting is portrayed.

In X-Evolution Dukemon mentions that there are "resistance bases" against Project Arc in Ulud and Skuld in addition to the Versandi one we see in the film.
Now... if Ulud is literally the past then it doesn't make sense for a resistance group to from there in response to something that from their perspective hasn't happened yet.
Similarly, if Skuld Terminal was literally the future, how is anyone still there if all Digimon are getting massacred in the present, and why bother having a resistance, or even executing Project Arc there at all when everything happening is just determined by the other two terminals by basic causality? Or taken another way, shouldn't the fact that there are any Digimon left in Skuld at all tell the Royal Knights that the second stage of Project Ark can't possibly happen successfully?

If the Terminals represent literal time and Yggdrasil's domain outside them was truly outside the actual concept of time as far as the terminals are concerned, why would the Royal Knights there even care when Project Arc is happening or even in what order?

The literal interpretation does not make sense. The Terminals are representations of a possible past and a possible future based on Yggdrasil's calculations, but they very literally exist simultaneously in the present, which is why the Royal Knights have to bother with executing Project arc in all of them (not to mention why doing
Expect again what the series says>your oppinion. If the series says they are the literal past,present,future they are and there is nothing you can do about it. Just like if they'd reveal that Taichi's mother is also Ryo's. No matter how small sense it would make to you it would be a fact.


I don't know what you are talking about. In no way does my assertion that Yggdrasil manages the connection between the Terminals imply that any average Digimon would be able to freely travel between them.
It's Yggdrasil who has power over the New Digital World. And of course he would grant his closest servants access to its different Terminals but not the general population.
Except no one grants them anything. They have to surpass space and time to move between them. And that's something you gonna have to deal with.

One scene in X-Evolution that comes to mind is Omegamon hunting down a whole herd of Dinosaur Digimon before first meeting DORUmon.
DORUmon lives in Versandi Terminal but what is interesting is that dinosaur Digimon are meant to reside in Ulud, Triceramon X in particular was shown in one promotional image to be an inhabitant. Combine this with this scene not happening long after the Royal Knights discuss taking on the resistance bases in all three Terminals and I suspect that we are looking at dinosaur Digimon belonging to the resistance in Ulud, having escaped to Versandi.
I don't think that's hard to believe, the whole premise of chronicle and X-Evolution is Digimon ending up in places where they (according to Yggdrasil) should not be.
Even though obviously the Old Digital World is separated from the new Digital World and its Terminals, the rebellious Digimon keep making it across. We don't know exactly how but the Royal Knights are certainly not helping them, and they also did not all originate in the NDW (Garudamon X directly mentions them "running to this new world").
Maybe it should not be assumed that Yggdrasil's designs are absolute when so many narratives in Digimon illustrate that Yggdrasil is not as amazing and infallible as he thinks he is.

To summarize, the NDW consists of simultaneous simulations rather than a strictly singular continuum; this makes passing between Terminals a different process than literal time travel, so it's doubtful if we can apply anything about it to other contexts or even other universes, especially since the original question concerned a server where Yggdrasil is not in charge.
That's some nice headcanon you have there. But anyways the "world they escaped from" mentioned by Garudamon X can be none other than the Old Digital World infected by Program X. Anything else is just your unprovable headcanon.
I haven't found any Hyper Colloseum cards referring directly to the Tamers Dukemon or Adventure Omegamon as Royal Knights.
In the case of the promotional boosters, Bandai certainly did not omit the label from the cards of some of the most prominent RK species by sheer accident. And I don't see what the intention behind that omission could mean other than designating that those specific characters are not meant to be members.
Yeah they aren't.Konaka even said that the Royal Knights setting was made during Tamers without anyone announcing him.The Omegamon from Adventure and Dukemon from Tamers are not RKs.
 
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