Digimon Channel: Pics and Translation Thread

[zoosmell]

Despite its similarities to Koso/Gossipmon, its abilities/portrayal in the show feel more in line with Newsmon's profile, or their gattai Gossipmon... it's also kind of amusing how this as an "evolved Kosomon" design differs from the latter, which actually filled that role for Appmon itself. "Big kosomon but with a shell" vs. "robot centaur journalist." Digimon rocks.

When I joked on the Discord about them bringing Appmon back this week, I had no idea how right I was.

Every Digimon series since the release of Applimon has had more in common with it than they have with every series prior to that show in terms of structure, so them eventually starting to dip more into its character design as well isn't that shocking all things considered.

There's only been 2 of those, and to be honest, I don't see how that applies to colon.

 

[Mattman324]

Does suck for Appmon that they'd rather make new Digimon that do the same thing rather than just use the Appmon. It's almost like it never actually existed

Well, I mean, Applimon are their own thing. They're explicitly not Digimon. That was the point. If they ever show up and it's just as Digimon that'd be an extremely massive letdown.

 

[Muur]

Does suck for Appmon that they'd rather make new Digimon that do the same thing rather than just use the Appmon. It's almost like it never actually existed

Well, I mean, Applimon are their own thing. They're explicitly not Digimon. That was the point. If they ever show up and it's just as Digimon that'd be an extremely massive letdown.

Wouldn't that be better than never using them again? Like we'd be in 2036 still waiting for them to be used again or they all get retconned in 2022 and actually get used.

 

[Mattman324]

Wouldn't that be better than never using them again?

Would you rather see your favorite franchise live again if it came back totally shit and ignored everything you liked about it?

Because I'd rather have Applimon stay obscure than them to sell out, yes. My actual ideal hope is that they show up some number of episodes from now in Ghost Game as the theme of an episode or two, or perhaps in the Digimon show afterwards, as themselves.

 

[IndustrialPanic]

Because I'd rather have Applimon stay obscure than them to sell out, yes.

What do you even mean by that? Even if we were to say Applimon was an unique product (which it isn't), it would've already sold out at birth by using the digimon brand to establish itself and then by further tying itself to it by reusing digimon designs (Hackmon, Mirrormon, Gomimon, etc).

Theres literaly nothing tangible that sets Applimon apart from Digimon as a concept other than it saying so, *if* it even says so to begin with that is

 

[Eitaroutarouman]

Why not just make them a subspecies that originated differently?

 

[xm0c]

I really don't see the problem in any Appmon making future appearances in Digimon-related media. Digital Lifeforms appear all the time in Digimon stories, and they're always classified as non-Digimon. I don't see why having an Appmon appear would be any different. Maybe it won't happen in Ghost Game, but maybe whatever comes afterward.

It would probably be pretty easy to incorporate them into the card game as a separate archetype, and I don't think it would be impossible to include them in a future DiM card, they could maybe do what they did with the Medabot card and have the Appmon chips be the Baby levels.

Ultimately though, I think Bandai might be a little too afraid to use any Appmon, because at this point I think they would have. They're at least willing to give Appmon some attention in Digimon Partners products, so that's a start.

 

[Chimera-gui]

Theres literaly nothing tangible that sets Applimon apart from Digimon as a concept other than it saying so, *if* it even says so to begin with that is

Sure, nothing that sets them apart aside from a different set of classification parameters altogether.

This isn't like Hybrid or even Xros Wars where the Digimon were still following the original parameters of Level, Attribute and Type but just being listed as a unique level for the former and and initially omitting the first two in the case of the latter. Appmon have a completely different set of classification parameters; those parameters being Grade, Type (note: not used in the same way as Type in Digimon) and Appli.

It would probably be pretty easy to incorporate them into the card game as a separate archetype, and I don't think it would be impossible to include them in a future DiM card, they could maybe do what they did with the Medabot card and have the Appmon chips be the Baby levels.

I do think an archtype in the card game is more likely assuming Appmon in the card game is gonna happen at all. The only reason the Medabots dim card used the Digimon dim card format was, according to a friend I talked to recently, because it was released before the Ultraman and Kamen Rider dims developed their own unique format that carried over into the BEMEMORY dims for MHA and Demon Slayer.

 

[zoosmell]

Sure, nothing that sets them apart aside from a different set of classification parameters altogether.

This isn't like Hybrid or even Xros Wars where the Digimon were still following the original parameters of Level, Attribute and Type but just being listed as a unique level for the former and and initially omitting the first two in the case of the latter. Appmon have a completely different set of classification parameters; those parameters being Grade, Type (note: not used in the same way as Type in Digimon) and Appli.

That all falls under "it saying so" though. All of that only matters to the extent that the people in charge (who (to the best of our knowledge) have full discretion to disregard, change or add to it) decide that it does.

In the end all that stops them is their willingness.

The only reason the Medabots dim card used the Digimon dim card format was, according to a friend I talked to recently, because it was released before the Ultraman and Kamen Rider dims developed their own unique format that carried over into the BEMEMORY dims for MHA and Demon Slayer.

Well, the Medarot Dim would have been formatted the same way anyway, since even the Ultra and KR VBMs followed the same six-stage formula (even when it didn't make any sense). Several even had unique baby equivalents like the Medarot card did.
(Beyond that though the whole basis for the card was the april fools crossover shenanigans the two franchises had been engaging in, so it likely would have been a Dim and not a VBM regardless).

 

[Yamato-san]

Theres literaly nothing tangible that sets Applimon apart from Digimon as a concept other than it saying so, *if* it even says so to begin with that is

Sure, nothing that sets them apart aside from a different set of classification parameters altogether.

This isn't like Hybrid or even Xros Wars where the Digimon were still following the original parameters of Level, Attribute and Type but just being listed as a unique level for the former and and initially omitting the first two in the case of the latter. Appmon have a completely different set of classification parameters; those parameters being Grade, Type (note: not used in the same way as Type in Digimon) and Appli.

I'm not the most knowledgeable on Appmon, but I don't see what's really keeping them from introducing, say, "Social" as an attribute. It'd have a neutral effect on any standard Digimon attribute, but does have an advantage or disadvantage against other Applimon attributes. As for Grades, it seems like Standard, Super, Ultimate, and God could be pretty easily comparable to Child (or Level3), Adult (Level4), Perfect (Level5), and Ultimate (Level6).

Also, what's with the staunch refusal to have Appmon be at all compatible with Digimon evolution chains? Is it really that hard to believe that Baby2 Digimon could evolve into Standard Appmon? Even though Baby Digimon are supposed to represent the smallest, most basic packets of data that Digimon (and in turn, Appmon) could be? Hell, -next 0rder- just had Shoutmon evolve from Koromon years before they finally incorporated the Xros Wars Digimon with proper levels. Can Appmon really not be incorporated in much the same way?

 

[Kaleidos]

I really don't see the problem in any Appmon making future appearances in Digimon-related media. Digital Lifeforms appear all the time in Digimon stories, and they're always classified as non-Digimon. I don't see why having an Appmon appear would be any different. Maybe it won't happen in Ghost Game, but maybe whatever comes afterward.

It would probably be pretty easy to incorporate them into the card game as a separate archetype, and I don't think it would be impossible to include them in a future DiM card, they could maybe do what they did with the Medabot card and have the Appmon chips be the Baby levels.

Ultimately though, I think Bandai might be a little too afraid to use any Appmon, because at this point I think they would have. They're at least willing to give Appmon some attention in Digimon Partners products, so that's a start.

Most people don't mind the idea of Appmon appearing in Digimon since the reverse has already happened, the point of contention comes from people wanting them to appear as Digimon when they're explicitly and intentionally their own separate digital lifeform and even their own separate IP and brand.

For some reason there's this weird disconnect that some people have where they can accept things like the D-Reaper, Yggdrasil, Eaters, etc as non-Digimon digital lifeforms, but Appmon aren't given the same courtesy and instead must be converted to Digimon along with things like Neo Crimson, Vitium, Overlord GAIA, the Guardians, etc. It's such a bizarre take to have since it's so arbitrary and inconsistent, and basically all the reasoning behind it boils down to people wanting to use them for evolution lines.

 

[Chimera-gui]

I'm not the most knowledgeable on Appmon, but I don't see what's really keeping them from introducing, say, "Social" as an attribute. It'd have a neutral effect on any standard Digimon attribute, but does have an advantage or disadvantage against other Applimon attributes. As for Grades, it seems like Standard, Super, Ultimate, and God could be pretty easily comparable to Child (or Level3), Adult (Level4), Perfect (Level5), and Ultimate (Level6).

Because the Types in Appmon don't follow the definition of Attributes in Digimon, remember that there are only three primary Attributes: Data, Virus and Vaccine. Free and Variable are special Attributes that are meant to only crop up in a select few each.

Likewise Grades don't translate into Levels nearly as cleanly as everyone wants to assume it'd be, namely dues to the fact that Levels are tied to a Digimon's age whereas Grades are independent of age in Appmon hence why we see Roleplaymon's parents in the App Monsters while a good number of Standard Grade Appmon are very clearly adults.

Also, what's with the staunch refusal to have Appmon be at all compatible with Digimon evolution chains? Is it really that hard to believe that Baby2 Digimon could evolve into Standard Appmon? Even though Baby Digimon are supposed to represent the smallest, most basic packets of data that Digimon (and in turn, Appmon) could be? Hell, -next 0rder- just had Shoutmon evolve from Koromon years before they finally incorporated the Xros Wars Digimon with proper levels. Can Appmon really not be incorporated in much the same way?

No, absolutely not for one simple reason: There is no way to shoehorn Appmon into Digivolutions chains naturally while still being true to the fundamental nature of Appmon because unlike even the Digimon of Xros Wars, Appmon were simply not designed to be even remotely compatible with Digivolution chains in the first place.

Again, you are assuming that the Standard Grade is equivalent to Level III AKA Child/Rookie when it's not even at the most basic, fundamental level. Are there Standard Grades that look Child-like? Yes however there are also Adult Level Digimon that seem Child-like at first glance such as Gatomon and Gekomon but they are still fundamentally Adults.

Comparatively while Shoutmon may have only been officially recognized as being Level III within the last couple years but it's pretty safe to assume that he was designed to be Level III from the start.

Again to reiterate Kaleidos' sentiment above, why must Appmon be arbitrarily converted into Digimon when they were explicitly and intentionally designed to be their own separate digital lifeform instead of being granted the same courtesy as other non-Digimon digital lifeforms such as the D-Reaper, King Drasil and Eaters?

 

[Yamato-san]

For some reason there's this weird disconnect that some people have where they can accept things like the D-Reaper, Yggdrasil, Eaters, etc as non-Digimon digital lifeforms, but Appmon aren't given the same courtesy and instead must be converted to Digimon along with things like Neo Crimson, Vitium, Overlord GAIA, the Guardians, etc. It's such a bizarre take to have since it's so arbitrary and inconsistent, and basically all the reasoning behind it boils down to people wanting to use them for evolution lines.

The fact that they still all end with "mon" might have something to do with it.

 

[Mattman324]

As for Grades, it seems like Standard, Super, Ultimate, and God could be pretty easily comparable to Child (or Level3), Adult (Level4), Perfect (Level5), and Ultimate (Level6).

I mean, if you ignore that Ultimate Grade is both the Perfect and Ultimate level equivalent, shown in the show to be that way, and punctuated by having the upgraded Globemon directly compared to Wargreymon late in the show, yeah, it does slot in fairly easily.

But, again, if they show up again, I'd really rather they not ignore how the things fundamentally fucking worked, thank you very much.

 

[CloneWarrior]

Likewise Grades don't translate into Levels nearly as cleanly as everyone wants to assume it'd be, namely dues to the fact that Levels are tied to a Digimon's age whereas Grades are independent of age in Appmon hence why we see Roleplaymon's parents in the App Monsters while a good number of Standard Grade Appmon are very clearly adults.

Cutemon's parents would like a word with you. Also the Kokuwamon elder from Frontier, the Mushmon from the Xros Wars manga, and probably other stuff I'm forgetting.

Again, you are assuming that the Standard Grade is equivalent to Level III AKA Child/Rookie when it's not even at the most basic, fundamental level. Are there Standard Grades that look Child-like? Yes however there are also Adult Level Digimon that seem Child-like at first glance such as Gatomon and Gekomon but they are still fundamentally Adults.

This argument is totally contradictory. If Digimon can look like different levels than they actually are, why do Appmon doing the same make them incompatible with the level system?

 

[zoosmell]

As for Grades, it seems like Standard, Super, Ultimate, and God could be pretty easily comparable to Child (or Level3), Adult (Level4), Perfect (Level5), and Ultimate (Level6).

I mean, if you ignore that Ultimate Grade is both the Perfect and Ultimate level equivalent, shown in the show to be that way, and punctuated by having the upgraded Globemon directly compared to Wargreymon late in the show, yeah, it does slot in fairly easily.

I don't see any reason why we couldn't, in fact, ignore that? The key word in all this is "upgraded." The AppliDrive Duo makes all Appmon stronger by a factor of 50% by granting them power from their human partner (ie. not something inherent to the individual). That 50% boosted Globemon is what is compared to an Ultimate level. There is no reason a vanilla Ultimate grade couldn't just be equivalent to a Perfect.

 

[Bancho]

oh?? A new Mutant type? That's my favorite type of digimon!

I'm in the group who would like to see Appmon remain a seperate species from Digimon if they make a return. Appmon just feel too special and have a nice visual consistency that would be sad to see watered down by spreading them across Digimon's hectic character designs.

Instead of Appmon being able to evolve into and from digimon like some fan evolutions have them do, I would rather Digimon and Appmon lifeforms be able to alter eachother in some creative way, if any way at all, as both lifeform types can find unlimited potential from teaming up without a gimmick needed anyways.

Yeah but seeing him in Ghost Game, he felt like it's more of Virus type and uses the information to increase his blog's popularity by harming his "followers".

But I'm sure it's only his mere personality. In the future, probably there'll be different Publimons with harmless intentions like Darklizamon and Saberdramon did.

I totally get what you mean, I also thought it was a Virus type because of the absolute insanity of its personality in Ghost Game but after reading its profile, its Data typing makes a lot of sense. It collects data, turns that data into other data, and even attacks with constructs of data. But man, it's going to be weird when we see a kind Publimon some day when my only experience with one is (Ghost Game spoiler) a Publimon who commits accidental suicide because of its obsession with reporting its homicide of a human child for a mass audience. How can I trust this species after that??

I hope he has sports in the back like a true newspaper.

where I grew up it was the comic strips in the back although I believe sometimes it was sports depending on the paper. Kid me obsessed over reading newspaper comics and hated any newspapers without comics

 

[TMS]

If you guys want to continue arguing about Appmon, do it in a new dedicated thread.

 

[MarcFBR]

Reference book update!

Oleamon (EN)

 

[YongYoKyo]

She's basically everything I wanted for a new plant-lady Digimon. Still maintaining the femininity of the others like Lilymon, but much more monstrous and creepy like a witch.