Digimon Adventure: Episode 4- Birdramon Soars

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I liked it. Obviously the animation has taken a small step back, but it still has those bursts. The digivolution was amazing, and they've had a good balance of "cutting away to sequence" and "diagetic evolution."

Very methodical pace so far. I like that it centered around river-rafting; the whole sequence was pretty neat. I guess the purpose of showing the kids briefly at summer camp was to explain where they learned the skills to survive in the wilderness, so I'm looking forward to more of that ingenuity.

Everyone's blase reaction to the super-natural has been a little weird, both in this episode and the previous ones, but I did kinda love it when Sora was all "... is that a Dinosaur...?"

Also, heck yeah, Coelamon! He's pretty big in this show.
 

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"Is that a Dinosaur?"

That blasé reaction to Agumon had me laughing no lie. The Digital World continues to look good, plus I'm glad the Net didn't get totally dropped in favour of it with Koshiro being sent there instead. Greymon immediately turning back into Agumon after relaxing (especially his surprise at it) definitely indicates the popular theory that he and Gabumon lost most of their power in diverting the missile could be true.

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It was a fine episode. Probably my least favorite so far but I did like the previous 3 a lot. A couple thoughts:
  • They're going all-in with Sora's caring characterization. Her immediate reaction to Piyomon jumping at her crying was hug her, which bugged me at the moment but now I can see what they were going for. But yeah, she was far too blasé with everything (though I did feel the "Is that a dinosaur" line was OK considering she had just seen Taichi having no issues with it). The shopping trip for survivalist items was laughable, immersion-breaking levels of convenient. I guess Taichi being able to build such a functional raft without any issues is king of unbelievable, too, but it's far easier to suspend your disbelief with that one.
  • Then again, we never did see Sora freaking out over digimon in the first show, did we? She and Takeru were the only ones that I can't remember being even slightly bugged by it (even Koushiro was acting like "there's this weird slimy creature following me around and trying to be my friend, what do I do, Taichi-san?").
  • We're eventually going to get an episode with Jou and Mimi being in the Digital World for the first time with their only guide being Ishida "I do not believe in direct communication" Yamato, so we'll probably get all the freak-outs we want in that one.
  • Digivices seem to do just about everything now. It kind of feels like they're being actively controlled, though, so maybe we'll get an explanation on that later.
  • The evolution sequence was fine. I'm more excited at the fact they didn't do one for Birdramon, though, because maybe that means we'll only get one per episode and the rest will be abridged.
  • We're seeing slightly more active kids now. Taichi trying to fight off Snimon with a stick was not a surprise, but Sora climbing Snimon to rescue Piyomon was.
  • Animation took a hit. Predictable, and still pretty decent for the show it is.
  • Theories on this being "the dinosaur zone" ended up wrong.
  • Seems like Ogremon is actively malevolent this time around. I kind of want him to remain that for the rest of the series, as a recurring enemy in his various evolution stages.
  • There were a lot of parts of this episodes that straight-up came from the original show, but in a different context. Wonder if that will be the case for the rest of the series.
Next episodes looks like it will explain the barebones of the plot, introduce the starter villains and give us more Koushiro, so I'm very much looking forward to it.
 

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"Is that a Dinosaur?"

That blasé reaction to Agumon had me laughing no lie. The Digital World continues to look good, plus I'm glad the Net didn't get totally dropped in favour of it with Koshiro being sent there instead. Greymon immediately turning back into Agumon after relaxing (especially his surprise at it) definitely indicates the popular theory that he and Gabumon lost most of their power in diverting the missile could be true.

:unsure:
I suspect Agumon was surprised because he isn't used to (d)evolve.

I know there is a theory that Digimon have more experience in Adventure 2020, but Biyomon's behavior seemed to imply this isn't the case.

There is an old war, but maybe Digimon don't remember.




  • The evolution sequence was fine. I'm more excited at the fact they didn't do one for Birdramon, though, because maybe that means we'll only get one per episode and the rest will be abridged.
I think it is more likely we won't have a evolution sequence the first time a Digimon evolve, but it will be the common after that.
 

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I think in this Digital World, stronger Digimon eating weaker ones is just the norm, so if a bigger Digimon randomly attacks you, it's a safe bet they've marked you as lunch. I've always seen the Digital world, without the intervention of humans, is a very Darwinian, survival of the fittest type place. It's literally a Digi eat Digi world. At least it was in Tamers and, to some extent, X Evolution. In Tamers, digimon got stronger by absorbing teh data of therir fallen foes, and in X Evolution, Digimon without the X antibody would hunt down those who had it so they could absorb it and survive Project X. Eating other Digimon just seems like a more direct way of absorbing their data.
Yeah but yet Snimon didn't eat Piyomon instantly and... She got out of it too easily. My guess Snimon captured her for stealing its food not eating her up for payback. But still the animation wasn't good so I'm unsure if Snimon holding Piyomon in mouth and Sora climbing up without struggling, Snimon was just standing there flying menacingly... Too bad this case ended as the 4th episode finished.

Interestingly, the internet forums were glad about Sora's hat for oddest reasons. Few said that hat might be a helmet or squishy.
 

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A bunch of interesting stuff happened in this episode but the more I think about it the less seems interesting in a particularly positive or fulfilling way.

The elephant in the room occupied by this episode was no doubt the animation which was several steps down from where it used to be in the first few episodes. The previews already showed this so it wasn't a surprise, but it not being surprising doesn't really make it any better.
Plenty of shots that looked like cardboard cutouts shifting and floating, but thanks to modern filtering, warping and easing effects it's at least not as bad as when it happened in 1999.
The only visually impressive parts of the episode were some of the nice detailed backgrounds and Agumon's evolution sequence.
It is just a shame that it was Birdramon's introduction episode that was hit with such a quality drop, as the opening showcased just how neat and stylish her fiery wings look when animated fluidly and with enough detail and now in the actual episode... not much of this to be seen. It wouldn't have been nearly as distracting if it happened to Ikkakumon for example.

With COVID I guess there's reasons not to be too nitpicky about production values but still, let's hope that the animation recovers to its former glory over the next few episodes, or at least in time for the first more major battles.

Anyway, onto the content of the episode...

As an introductory adventure it was mostly alright.
And I know what everyone is thinking: It doesn't really make sense that Sora would just happen to have all that gear with her from a normal shopping trip. Gloves, binoculars, knives saws, lighters, rope, those are all tools that can be used to stalk, kidnap and kill a person, so clearly either Sora or her parents are secretly serial killers in this continuity, getting ready to hunt down their next victim! There's even a soft hat could be stuffed in their captives' mouth to muffle their terrified screams.

Jokes aside, I am still not sure how much they wanted to associate the whole emergency supply situation with Sora's character in general. To be precise I do not believe that we are meant to think that that Sora routinely shops for such things.
After all Tokyo is facing massive spreading power outages and especially since this was brought up shortly before the raft scene I think the implication was that she was buying emergency supplies in anticipation of those impending blackouts and not just for fun, which would fit better with her caring character.

It still doesn't really add up because much of the stuff she bought, the rope, the weird flip-saw, binoculars would be that directly helpful for a power outage.
For this problem too there is an obvious solution; I mean whose imagination would go nuts upon hearing something about "power outages" and "emergency" and who would just run out and accumulate a bunch of less than helpful "supplies"? A 10 year old would. At that point in development there's not much of a sense of specific priorities or preparation for complex future events.
When I was that age I believed my life would be drastically improved by fake sunglasses with rear-view mirrors.
And honestly going from "what do you need to survive without electricity for some time" to "what do you need to survive in complete uncivilised wilderness" is exactly the sort of wild association that a child would come up with.

This is still not exactly satisfactory.
One reason is based on practicality, because it still seems off that her parents would just let her run out with god knows how much money to buy all that stuff.

The other reason is more abstract: It doesn't feel right to present an argument explaining something as a logical consequence of a childish thought process if for the rest of the episode the characters don't behave especially child-like.
Like being oddly composed for someone who just ended up in a monster filled wilderness (and it shouldn't make that much of a different if they are actual dinosaurs or not). Basically this interpretation would require Sora to be more involved/upset about the power outages in the human world than she is shown to be about the actual monster adventure part.
I feel the episode kind of tried to address this with Taichi's "no time to think" line but it still ended up feeling very lazy.
Speaking of unreasonable behavior, I am running out of patience seeing Taichi basically jumping at every single enemy Digimon (even magically summoning whacking stick), as if he he had much of a chance. It was semi believable with the Algomon because they were tiny squishy baby jellyfish, but not with Adult level Digimon.
I am technically all for Tamers being less passive but if it ends up making them seem like complete idiots without any sense of self-preservation (while miracolously getting away unhurt every time) then that is not solving anything. That is simply exchanging something that was slightly annoying at most for something that feels absolutely dumb.

So yeah, much of the characters' behavior this episode seemed generally unconvincing.
This is the sort of thing that I will never accept, but I can endure it if there's other interesting things happening around it.
Does the new Adventure offer enough interesting distractions? For now it does. The background story of the chosen children and their Digimon getting a bigger spotlight in episode 5 rather than episode 45 could change up the dynamic of the story considerably.
I also wonder how they will handle the story with the characters starting split off from one another rather than together. Sure the original split them up into groups as well but it is a very different kind of story when the characters aim to assemble again versus the team never really having assembled in the first place.
I also do hope that we'll continue to see characters in configurations that the original did not really show. For example for all the *cough cough* fandom drama about Sora and Taichi we really never got episodes like this one that focused on them as a duo.
So in that spirit I'm hoping for the next few episodes to bring Jou together with Koushiro and Mimi together with Yamato as opposed to the other permutations which we have already seen (this still leaves Takeru and Hikari with each other but those two will probably join the party later anyway and under weirder circumstances).

I would also love for the next episode to step back in time at first and show us how Koushiro actually met Tentomon before getting to the part in Whamon's stomach, because Tentomon's introduction in this episode was rather abrupt.

And lastly, a note about the Soundtrack:
With the first few episodes being an almost-autonomous intro "package" I was hoping that the limited range of the soundtrack was indicative of thematic focus as well. With just a few active characters introduced, in a limited setting fighting one enemy, keeping the music as tight and focused as the action felt appropriate.
But now with the story shifting gears, into full adventure mode in the Digital World and the introduction of more characters I was hoping that just like the setting the music would open up in terms of variety, introducing more themes showing off more styles.
But so far the entire soundtrack is stubbornly structured around just a few simple musical themes, with the same standard string orchestration and sometimes a few electronic moments. And I am starting to get a bit annoyed at that.
In a way it reminds me (mostly structurally of course) of the score of "Interstellar", where there's also just a handful of core motifs performed with specific instruments that are reused in various combinations and various intensities throughout the whole score. The difference is that the interstellar score only needed to "fill" one movie and not 50 episodes of material.
It's still early, and there's plenty of time but I really hope there'll be some more musical variety soon.

I also didn't care one bit about the new Evolution song. Completely generic J-pop which doesn't appeal to me at all. I can't remember if Appmon had any insert songs but if it did have them they must have been as generic as this one in order for me to completely forget about them, and I'll probably have forgotten about "Be the winners" by next week as well.
 
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I guess the whole "buying up survival gear during a blackout" didn't bother me so much since I tried to do something very similar as a kid. :ROFLMAO:
 

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I can't remember if Appmon had any insert songs but if it did have them they must have been as generic as this one in order for me to completely forget about them, and I'll probably have forgotten about "Be the winners" by next week as well.
There was "Be My Light", which had lyrics that basically described Haru and Yuujin's entire relationship. It was used about 3 times in total, though.
 

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As most have pointed out, the drop in animation quality in the episode is apparent, this of course is to be expected as the first episodes of an anime normally have higher production values put in to them, but the juxtaposition of the fluid animation of the Algomon mini-arc compared to the stiff movement and click and drag "animation" for flying digimon is extremely distracting, not to say the original series didn't have this problems of course but I find that the more clean style of the reboot makes this shortcomings a lot more noticeable. In my opinion however, the biggest problem is this episode was the almost complete lack of continuity between cuts; characters will just change positions and actions from scene to scene. The most glaring examples of this would be the initial Snimon fight where Tai magically summons a fighting staff offscreen to fend of the giant insect and the Greymon vs Coelamon fight where Agumon before evolution is seen almost inside Coelamon's mouth but then after evolving into Greymon is somehow teleported directly above the fish digimon.

As for the blasé reactions in this episode I also wholeheartedly agree on how unnatural it all seems. I would've actually liked if this almost deadpan personality was part of Sora's character, although the fact that no one in universe points out how strange her lack of reaction to all these amazing things happening is makes me believe this is unfortunately a case of bad characterization as opposed to anything else.

Overall I found this episode pretty weak (to not say bad even), really hoping ep 5 can pick things up again and that this isn't indicative of the quality of the series moving on...
 

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Was it just my impression, or did Sora's digivice materialize when she and Piyomon joined hands right before Piyomon evolved? Because if so it seems every child is going to show their crest traits before they get their digivices.
 

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To be fair regarding Sora being too blase, the English dub of Adventure at least had her refer to Yokomon as "My own personal something or other" so I can believe her just taking all this nonsense in stride.
 

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Was it just my impression, or did Sora's digivice materialize when she and Piyomon joined hands right before Piyomon evolved? Because if so it seems every child is going to show their crest traits before they get their digivices.
I'm pretty sure that is indeed what was meant to be implied, yes.
 

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I think in this Digital World, stronger Digimon eating weaker ones is just the norm, so if a bigger Digimon randomly attacks you, it's a safe bet they've marked you as lunch. I've always seen the Digital world, without the intervention of humans, is a very Darwinian, survival of the fittest type place. It's literally a Digi eat Digi world. At least it was in Tamers and, to some extent, X Evolution. In Tamers, digimon got stronger by absorbing teh data of therir fallen foes, and in X Evolution, Digimon without the X antibody would hunt down those who had it so they could absorb it and survive Project X. Eating other Digimon just seems like a more direct way of absorbing their data.
Yeah but yet Snimon didn't eat Piyomon instantly and... She got out of it too easily. My guess Snimon captured her for stealing its food not eating her up for payback. But still the animation wasn't good so I'm unsure if Snimon holding Piyomon in mouth and Sora climbing up without struggling, Snimon was just standing there flying menacingly... Too bad this case ended as the 4th episode finished.

Interestingly, the internet forums were glad about Sora's hat for oddest reasons. Few said that hat might be a helmet or squishy.
Obviously they couldn't have Snimon eat Piyomn immediately because she's a main character, so plot demanded she escape.
 

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Plot armor. So poorly. But I let this slide because of Agumon to Greymon evolve transformation. I hope they won't do again with standing there so menacingly animations.

Surprised nobody pointed out about Sora chillingly brought out the knife. I know they went to survival camp training trip or something like that but it's alright to let them carry like that?
 

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Plot armor. So poorly. But I let this slide because of Agumon to Greymon evolve transformation. I hope they won't do again with standing there so menacingly animations.

Surprised nobody pointed out about Sora chillingly brought out the knife. I know they went to survival camp training trip or something like that but it's alright to let them carry like that?
But lets be honest, if it weren't for plot armor, almost every hero in almost every story (not just Digimon) would be dead in the first 20 minutes, so it's kind of a necessary evil.
 

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Necessary evil huh.

Well Agumon Savers died and reborned so I'm sure... Patamon in 2020 probably will... Or not.
 

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Necessary evil huh.

Well Agumon Savers died and reborned so I'm sure... Patamon in 2020 probably will... Or not.
Different circumstances. Savers Agumon was destroyed by his own power, not an enemy.
What happens when you eat food? You absorb the nutrients. What is the Digimon equivalent of nutrients? Data. What are Digimon made of? Data. So it stands to reason that if one Digimon is eaten by another, they wouldn't be reborn because their data would be absorbed by the one that ate them. Kind of like what happens in Tamers.
 

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I don't love that they're introducing the characters one by one. The first 3 ep were fanservice at best and literally meant nothing. The evolution sequence is meh. It's too much and too little at the same time, I hate when the horns just pop out of greymon's head, it looks stupid, and why do they show botamon and koromon? Also, they lost the cuteness of the Digimon and their evolution by focusing on their more beast like aspects, that's a bummer. I am though very curious for the story, it was cool that we saw the statue of seraphimon since people were speculating that he wasn't there or was replaced in the frontier angel trio. I like ophanimon but I do miss magnadramon. I just think that with valdurmon and cherubimon she would have made a great addition to the angel group, so that there are more beast angels to balance out the human type ones (there are 5,or 4 if you count rasielmon as a beast type). What I don't want is some sort of time travel destiny alternate timeline dump that somehow connects this story with the original adventure anime. That's a whole can of worms that I don't need opened.
 

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Yeah, look like this digital world showed us the survival of the fittest but it seemed like it's very peaceful for now despite Snimon was angry at Piyomon and tried to hold her in mouth, Coelamon wanted snacks, Whamon swallowed Izumi and Tentomon (Probably to save them from the incoming enemies?), and Ogremon drooled were all hungry ones in different ways.

I think the next episode will not include any "hungriness" more lol I hope ep 5 will reveal more new information, I bet Whamon might know tons to tell Izumi or the ancient tablets and their digivices will translate to tell the whole story.
 

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I think the "drooling" had something to do with the big bad of the series, like maybe those Digimon (like in this episode, Snimon and Ogremon) are directly controlled by that big bad, sent to strike the Chosen Children and their Digimon.
 
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