Digimon Adventure: Episode 14- The Kings of the Insects Clash

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This is the episode discussion thread for Episode 14, The Kings of the Insects Clash!

An extended version of the episode preview from the end of episode 13.

Episode 14 airs Sunday, September 6th, 9am in Japan.

The simulcast for Crunchyroll is shortly after at:
Saturday, September 5th, 7:30pm in California (Pacific)
Saturday, September 5th, 10:30pm in New York (Eastern)
Sunday, September 6th, 3:30am in the UK

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I appreciate the cut backs to the real world. It really helps keep the stakes in check for me. Being stuck in an elevator is such a scary reality lol....

Jou is really annoying, lol. Yamato's team dynamic in general is kinda boring. In comparison, Taichi's team has so much more personality! Playing with their reflections was really cute! It's interesting, Koshiro being without his laptop is a unique challenge. I don't think he's ever been separated from it for very long, he's always had it to rely on if he needed it. I feel kinda sad seeing him not be able to use it....lol...

You know, I really like Kuwagamon and I think he was handled probably the best I've seen him in this episode. He's a genuine threat and something they're able to overcome and defeat. Basically, the swarm coupled with Oukuwagamon was a very appealing enemy to me.

Mimi continues to have great bits:
"Looks like they heard you"
"I'm SORRY!! But I do hate them."

I enjoyed Koshiro's development this episode! It was really nice even if AtlurKabuterimon's evolution sequence was INCREDIBLY disappointing. At least his Horn Buster attack looked pretty damn good! The action in general was pretty fun with the kids using the reflections to confuse, and Togemon's very cool spinning Bang Bang down into the Kuwagamon. They've just been doing cool things with that character in general, earlier in the episode she did a Coconuts Counter that was also really flashy.

I wonder what the deal is with Koshiro's laptop? Is he powering it up with his knowledge, or is someone else assisting them?? Gennai??

I don't want to go back to the other team :(
 
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The sound effects added to the opening... don't really work all that well. It comes across as hokey.

The first half of the episode I didn't like as much, as while the battle stuff was interesting, it was an extended battle that seemed to drag on.

The Kuwagamon fighting intelligently was a nice touch though. As was Koushiro recognizing the rocks and gems and how they worked, with no help from his laptop, simply using his own skills and knowledge to explain it, basically wrapping back around to when he helps Kabuterimon by recognizing the stress on the rocks.


Second half was better. We got to see a lot more of Kabuterimon than we normally do, with a decent chunk of talking and interacting from him, which feels weird and different.

Koushiro learns his obvious lesson that it's him, not the computer. I don't dislike it, but it was a somewhat obvious lesson.

AtlurKabuterimon's evo was pretty short, but was a nice visual.

We got some good stuff with Mimi being funny as expected. One of the best gags was the zoom in on everyone getting attacked and everyone is drawn in pain and Togemon is just... Togemon.


The flyby as AtlurKabuterimon begins to dash with horn buster was pretty fantastic to be honest.


The computer mysteriously working again and being better feels like a pretty obvious 'someone was improving it for later' that needs some follow up.

The cutaways to the others were pretty nice. Jou is still a goof, but it felt more coherent this time, and hopefully next episode we get some good Jou material.
 

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Definitely one (if not) the best episode so far!! I really like the lesson of over-reliance on electrical devices and forgetting to use our brains...simple development but fantastic. I'm really looking forward to a Koushiro that is not on his laptop all the time and process information like a robot.

Also it seems that Kabuterimon/AtlurKabuterimon in this series is a lot more decisive and stronger than the original Adventure one who is more of a support rather than known for its attacks. No doubt MVP of this episode and I'm really liking him as a character, definitely a lot more than the original one.

One last thing...when Greymon evolved into Metalgreymon that Machinedramon thing is still there and everyone else so far don't have that in their evolution scenes and I'm wondering if Metalgreymon will have a dark mega evolution into Machinedramon later on since this will also pay tribute to how Tai made Greymon dark evolved into Skullgreymon in the original Adventure...
 

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Definitely one (if not) the best episode so far!! I really like the lesson of over-reliance on electrical devices and forgetting to use our brains...simple development but fantastic. I'm really looking forward to a Koushiro that is not on his laptop all the time and process information like a robot.

Also it seems that Kabuterimon/AtlurKabuterimon in this series is a lot more decisive and stronger than the original Adventure one who is more of a support rather than known for its attacks. No doubt MVP of this episode and I'm really liking him as a character, definitely a lot more than the original one.

One last thing...when Greymon evolved into Metalgreymon that Machinedramon thing is still there and everyone else so far don't have that in their evolution scenes and I'm wondering if Metalgreymon will have a dark mega evolution into Machinedramon later on since this will also pay tribute to how Tai made Greymon dark evolved into Skullgreymon in the original Adventure...
They could redo takatos dark evolution have leomon die and taichi's anger dark evolves metalgreymon to mugendramon
 

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Good character development, good interactions, great action. Can't enjoy it because it requires me to ignore that all 3 digimon can fly so they didn't really need to go through the maze, or that Greymon and Togemon could have evolved at any point and solved everything.
 

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Okay it look like they really don't have any issues to evolve to Adult levels requiring energy to eat tons but it's all about resting and foods to evolve anytime.

This animation was very weird and random art styles to switch.

As I suspected, this maze canyon was probably responsible for that laptop to shutdown maybe not.

Kuwagamon swarms were surprisingly smart despite being infected. But oddly Soundbirmon was there yet those wild ones emitted that nasty mist! And Kuwagamon's princers now gained "Pierce" not to crush with all its might? To cut rocks that easy? And since when they can shoot energy balls?! Okuwamon too! But I found it very interesting about Kabuterimon, Kuwagamon and Okuwamon actually use their multiple arms and legs, too! What were those attacks called? Both Kuwagamon and Okuwamon suddenly can shoot energy now.

I don't remember Horn Buster was kind of that drill move?

Mirror rocks to confuse Kuwagamon's attack patterns to ruin their teamworks was pretty genius!

Ikkakumon climbing up still? That reminds me, how did the Hades Ikkakumon float to slide down the desert?!

OH yeah Togemon was pretty awesome today, it's pretty tough to endure that many attacks!
 

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Good character development, good interactions, great action. Can't enjoy it because it requires me to ignore that all 3 digimon can fly so they didn't really need to go through the maze, or that Greymon and Togemon could have evolved at any point and solved everything.
Nah. Them flying would’ve got them caught much easier. Makes much more sense to go through the maze instead for stealth. Also, it’s not like the kids can just use their ultimates willy nilly. It seems to me that there’s some sort of cooldown when it comes to evolving(at least to ultimate) and even then, they can’t evolve if they’re being hit by enemies either when you see Tai’s digivice glow but stop after Greymon got hit.
 

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I was so positive they won't bring that attack but surprisingly they kept it coming.

So Kuwagamon/Okuwamon are no longer shorted range melee types that crushes with the princers.... Huh Honestly I kinda dislike it when certain super shorted range melee types gained shooting energy attacks.

I think GranKuwagamon did shot its princers in Frontier. Weird.
 

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Nah. Them flying would’ve got them caught much easier. Makes much more sense to go through the maze instead for stealth. Also, it’s not like the kids can just use their ultimates willy nilly. It seems to me that there’s some sort of cooldown when it comes to evolving(at least to ultimate) and even then, they can’t evolve if they’re being hit by enemies either when you see Tai’s digivice glow but stop after Greymon got hit.
Last episode Garurumon evolved to WereGarurumon about a minute after evolving to Adult (so proof against a significant cooldown), and in the one before that Greymon evolved to MetalGreymon immediately after getting hit by an attack from a Perfect-level (so proof against not being able to evolve when hit).
 

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Another 5 star episode in my book!

Nah. Them flying would’ve got them caught much easier. Makes much more sense to go through the maze instead for stealth. Also, it’s not like the kids can just use their ultimates willy nilly. It seems to me that there’s some sort of cooldown when it comes to evolving(at least to ultimate) and even then, they can’t evolve if they’re being hit by enemies either when you see Tai’s digivice glow but stop after Greymon got hit.
Last episode Garurumon evolved to WereGarurumon about a minute after evolving to Adult (so proof against a significant cooldown), and in the one before that Greymon evolved to MetalGreymon immediately after getting hit by an attack from a Perfect-level (so proof against not being able to evolve when hit).
I never said the cooldown was always significant. Also, I’m talking about if Digimon are actively getting hurt. My point still stands. Also, even then, not everything is going to be consistent. Especially since this show hasn’t explained a whole lot yet.
 

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I found this a pretty good episode. Koushiro finally understood that he is the smart one not his computer lol. Which, lets face it we knew but it was the way to get the evolution for AlturKabuterimon.

The episode did seem too fight based, i suspect we're in for a lore drop again after the next episode. Kabuterimon speaking more was nice and how he made sure Koushiro know that Koushiro still can do more without the computer. In which we then got blast those rocks.

AlturKabuterimon was pretty cool with the Horn Buster and Kousiro then giving out tactics on his own!

The computer then working at the end, that's either the set up for Gennai or an equivilent I think!

As for the ED....liked the animation, do not like the song
 

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For this episode, I don't want to provide any further comments on THE STORY. As usual, the story was decent and enjoyable.
  • I'm a bit surprised that they add a sound effect in several parts of their opening. A small touch, small detail, good work!. But sorry, I'm not fan of it!
  • For some reason, I appreciate their work on small detail in this episode too. For example, they finally showing their crest when their Digimon trying to evolve. (I wish for their consistency).
  • I just simply like their choices to swap Greymon stock footage evolution this time with short one, and also they choose to not force them to join battle "alongside" their Digimon partner, they just simply watch their battle in a reasonable distance (like the old one). Feels convenient!.
  • The appearance of MetalGreymon is kinda surprising me , because in first thought, I thought they choose to not fight with Kuwagamon (Adult level) in their Perfect level (kinda wasting their energy) or it just simply for balancing purpose. But at the end, there it is . . . METALGREYMON (again).
  • I presumed that MetalGreymon will always use "Giga Storm" as his main attack for the rest of the season, cause I think "Giga Destroyer" might be a little offensive for Japanese authorized censorship or for some other reason.
  • And for the current situation in Real-World, I choose to hold my opinion and see how far they can manage and balance the story, as we all know that it's already night in the Real World with chaos.
For their new ED Song. Simply, I don't like it but the animation was good and has a cute artwork design with vibrant colors. So, it brings a new vibe to the series. Also, nice to have Yamato with his calm and funny expression rather than a cold one, I hope we can see a cheerful version of Yamato in the future. Thanks. How about you?
 

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Seems what was ultimately (hah) keeping them from digivolving again was not getting a moment to breath in the fight with metalgreymon coming in when they weren't getting chewed on or shot at

Still that MegaKabu crush on the one Kuwaga was pretty dope
 

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one of the best episodes so far for me

Most people (not just kids) are so dependant on technology these days, be it smartphones for directions, autocorrect for spelling,tablets analysing data!!! We forget to use our heads and trust our capabilities

im glad the show wanted to show that. Koshiro is smart first and tech savvy, second!

the action this series is awesome. Greymon can really move!

the only thing that irked me was the lack of lillymon. Flower reef could’ve helped. But in a way togemon got a massive showcase. I’m glad they’re not sidelining the champions just because they’ve unlocked ultimate.

joe is low key my favourite this time around. Makes me laugh every time. Considering he was my least favourite as a child

The computer then working at the end, that's either the set up for Gennai or an equivilent I think!
I thought the same thing. “It seems faster this time” = Gennai’s update

I DOOO however, not want them to add another character before we get to see Devimon again
They’ve already hinted at Leomon.. still no sign of him either.
Let’s not forget patamon and TK.

it’s ridiculous that we haven’t seen devimon since ogremons alluded death
 

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First good episode in a while. As some people have already mentioned, the lesson Koushiro had to learn was obvious from the beginning, but it was a good one and it was executed well too. I would've preferred it if Koushiro hadn't spelled it out for the audience at the end, but I can let it slide. Also, I liked the "Even machines have bad days" line.

AltlurKabuterimon's horn buster was pretty badass.

Mimi continues to be fun.

It was nice finally getting to see the current situation in Japan, considering the crisis in the real world has lost all sense of urgency.

Joe is really getting on my nerves.
 
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Finally we were able to see some despair, despair in Koushirou's black eyes!

The episode was good, especially the Kuwagamons' fights. The way Togemon fought was amusing too (like upside-down Togemon hitting a wall, or what GoC mentioned - Togemon in pain is still just an emotionless Togemon).

I don't like the new Ending. The music is dreadful, and the animation is nice only at the beginning before they start making a parody of the characters. Also I find it odd that the Ending completely ignored Hikari's (and Tailmon's) existence.
 

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This has to be my all time favorite Episode of Adventure:⏣ so far.
Previous episodes usually had a few good looking shots of fighting but this episode delivered that sort of action for three quarters of the episode and it's glorious, the kind of battles I expected to see ever since laying eyes on the amazing action shots in the opening.

There is so much goodness here that it's hard to decide where to start.
Let's begin with how impressed I am about the show's continued clever uses of Digimon anatomy in their fights, it was great to see Greymon going for the Kuwagamons' pincers when engaging them in combat. I remember how frustrating it was to watch the Kuwagamon fight in tri where somehow he completely ignored the giant mandibles that could easily crush into his back while he blindly body slams an opponent who he'd have a close quarters disadvantage against because then it's four arms against two. That was bullshit, "approaching the opponent with an easily interceptable flying kick" level of lack of common sense, and the fact that Adventure:⏣ at least occasionally rises above those sorts of failures is enough to make it worthwhile to me.
Greymon's approach is taking advantage of the fact that the size of Kuwagamon's mandibles can actually be a handicap, If Greymon extends his arms while holding them he can control the Kuwagamon's movement while also being out of the range of his four arms, effectively neutralizing the disadvantage he'd have against him in most other close quarters scenarios.
In the Kuwagamon/Kabuterimon fight we also see that the Kuwagamon moves his pincers together when he fires his laser, which could mean that he couldn't just blast Greymon away with his projectile as long as his pincers are held apart.
Similarly inventive was Togemon making use of Greymon's size to hide from sight and launch a surprise counter, which was one of the best points of the episode. That particular part was a bit questionable though because Greymon was held in place by a second Kuwagamon crushing down on his leg but that Kuwagamon is mysteriously gone in the shot when Togemon comes out from behind his back, only to reappear in the next one again.
If it was just a visual slip-up that could be excused, but the second Kuwagamon's presence should have practical consequences as well. After all the show goes out of its way to point out that those Kuwagamon are coordinating their attacks; In that case, wouldn't have the Kuwagamon on the ground be able to warn his approaching "friend" that Togemon was sneaking up? Was he just too busy chomping? Or is the coordination less direct and more just fixed patterns that they trained to execute?
The teamwork continues somewhat later when Togemon is struggling with another Kuwagamon (using the same mandible lock approach as Greymon but being caught in an awkward unbalanced spot after being smashed into the ground upside down) and Greymon forces it to retreat with a blast.

Togemon also gets another interesting attack in, using her Chikuchiku Bang Bang up close to basically grind down a Kuwagamon with her thorns (and punches I guess). This was great because a very common headscratcher in Digimon fights is how many Digimon just straight up never use any attack with range in close quarters even though there are plenty of ranged attacks that would totally work just as well if not better if the opponent is closer. There's a point in avoiding big explosive fireball attacks at point blank, but apart from that it's just a waste of potential that I enjoyed to see finally subverted.

Something that tends to really piss me off about animated portrayals of Bug Digimon is how they fail to use their four arms efficiently, basically acting as if they only had two. Not in this episode
From little things like Kabuterimon striking different poses with each pair of arms, using double elbow strikes, actually shooting two mega blasters at the same time, and then the way he escapes from Ookuwamon's grip while using two of his arms to hold him back was amazing to see (even if the damaged cliff was a tad convenient).
And they kept going with it with AtlurKabuterimon as well! His smackdown against Ookuwamon really showed off the kind of relentless combinations enabled by the additional arms; A strong punch from the upper left followed by a fast jab of the lower left, then a punch from the lower right, and while that gets blocked (possibly a purposeful feint) there's already a double axe handle slamming down with both upper arms!
What's amazing about this that this is not a move that would make sense for any normal human to use, it's slow, telegraphs the intended target like nothing else and leaves you wide open. But that's the human perspective. If you have two more arms you can use to keep the opponent busy... why the hell not? And then he finishes the combo off with his third set of limbs, a kick with both legs, again something mostly impractical for humans, but works if you can freely propel yourself through the air.
Also when Ookuwamon's head jerked back after being hit with the Horn Bust I thought for a second that we might get another insect decapitation like last episode.

And not only do the protagonists I think we actually see the Kuwagamon fighting effectively and changing up their tactics in response to the protagonist's moves. Note how after Greymon keeps grabbing them, and even manages to keep them at bay using Mega Flame after getting overpowered, the Kuwagamon stop attempting to fight him head on, and instead opt for hit-and-run tactics and disabling Greymon's movement. After one of them is evenly matched with Kabuterimon they also immediately change their tactics to ganging up on him, blasting him from all directions until he is too disoriented to stop them from approaching.
When Greymon still proves formidable, easily smashing one Kuwagamon away from his leg with his once he's in the right position and his Mega Flame still being a threat, they make very sure to deny him all of those options the next time they attack; We see one of them keeping his tail in place while another one pinches his mouth shut to prevent him from using Mega Flame and not only that he also has him grabbed at an upward angle that makes it impossible for Greymon to grab his mandibles again. Even as they continue their attack they opt for attacking him from his back, and make sure to keep his arm in place. This sort of fearsome adaptability really drives home the point that had the fight gone on without AtlurKabuterimon and Koushiro's insight the protagonists' Digimon would have been taken apart with brutal efficiency.

It was just an amazing action performance on all sides. The mirror stones coming back as a plot device was fairly predictable but it wasn't distracting and several times preferable over the kind of scenario we saw last episode, among other times, where nothing is foreshadowed in advance and the plot is resolved with a cheap nonsensical "plan" that comes out of absolutely nowhere.

There's still the ever present annoyance of the chosen riding on Digimon when they really shouldn't.
But even here I was almost about to give the episode a thumbs up, because I thought spotted the first instance of the rider actually giving his Digimon an Advantage: Right after Koushiro arrived on AtlurKabuterimon, it seems the Kuwagamon were so set on Attacking only him that they made it very easy for AtlurKabuterimon to predict their movement and intercept them with his horn.
But in the end I'll have to retract that praise, as later on we get one of the most idiotic instances of the trope: Koushiro still holding on while AtlurKabuterimon spins like power drill during Horn Buster. Just....why? He should have been launched in a random direction, puked his guts out or both.

At this point I guess I can spare a few sentences on Koushiro, even though that part seems pretty insignificant compared to the episode's general mayhem:
His development was nice. Was it amazing? Not really, but it featured what the previous episodes didn't: A character who is actually challenged to face a weakness act differently than they did before. For most others the lesson was mostly "carry on like usual but more", this time they actually make a point, even one that is hilariously antithetical to the original's perspective of it being completely totally fine that Koushiro was all about computers all the time. here, he is made aware that he misses things if he never looks past the tablet display. Powerful stuff right there, pretty sure several classical myths tell the same tale.
I also enjoyed his almost Masaru-esque plan for the fight against Ookuwamon. Under the right circumstances you can just punch away and everything will be fine.

And there also were a few scenes of the other group, mostly consisting of a single elaborate joke about Joe... again. At this point it's probably some sort of mutated offshoot of humor centered exclusively on Joe to the point that it's no longer a Joke, it's more like a... Joek.
There'll be plenty of those next week I'm sure.

Can't enjoy it because it requires me to ignore that all 3 digimon can fly so they didn't really need to go through the maze
As I remember it, they didn't go into that maze because they needed to, but because for a while it seemed that Koushiro's laptop would have better reception inside the maze and they wanted to find a spot where they could receive transmissions about the state of the human world without the signal breaking up. If that had worked they probably would have just flown out again but by the time it was clear that the interference wouldn't be fixed there, they were already cornered down there by the Kuwagamon.
If I had more faith in the writing and the possibility of decent foreshadowing I would argue that the Soundbirdmon could have been jamming the laptop systematically and then deliberately weakening the jamming at certain points in order to lure and trap them there... but that's beyond my actual expectations.

Greymon and Togemon could have evolved at any point and solved everything.
They made it clear at the start of the episode that Greymon attempted to evolve but couldn't. Taichi's Digivice was glowing but that stopped when he saw Greymon get smashed down again.
They were getting battered so badly that Taichi simply couldn't muster up enough courage.
I think what made it different from Greymon the MetalTyranomon battle is that Taichi at least had some plan to hold onto but they hadn't figured out how to deal with the Kuwagamon at all at that point. The moment the tables turned thanks to the mirror rocks he got enough confidence to pull it off, it was all about his motivation.
It's not the most convincing reason but they at least provided one.

I did kind of expect Lilimon though but since Mimi activated her crest in a somewhat less direct and conscious way than Taichi, I'm willing to believe that she can't eaily trigger it at will yet. (And I don't think Lilimon would have been much help against Ookuwamon)

But oddly Soundbirdmon was there yet those wild ones emitted that nasty mist!
They probably were not wild Digimon that were hypnotized but actual soldier Kuwagamon that were called in by the Soundbirdmon.

So Kuwagamon/Ookuwamon are no longer shorted range melee types that crushes with the princers.... Huh Honestly I kinda dislike it when certain super shorted range melee types gained shooting energy attacks.
Pretty sure I've seen Scissor Arms fire energy blades in instead of physically cutting some of the video games before. But it was probably one of the games where actual short range attacks didn't really exist.
 

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I think this episode was good and better than the previous one. The hard fight against the Kuwagamon swarm and Oukuwagamon was good. It was also good to see Koushiro finally realizing that what matters is him, not the computer. This evolution was, really, earned.
 
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