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    One Digimon with two different levels?

    ITS THEORY TIME

    I want to write my own fan fiction and so I searched for good Evolution lines and Partners for my seven Kids. But then I noticed something strange. According to different sources a few Digimon are on two different levels?
    Just like Whamon. Whamon is a Champion Digimon, but also a Perfect?
    But thatís not all. Piemon, Minotaurmon also has this faith.

    Whatís your theory? Is there anything explained?
    Is it possible that levels donít have clear lines, like we used to know?
    Does any Ultimate/perfect Level digimon habe the possibility to be also a Perfect/champion?

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    Nah, they're rather exceptions that appeared here and there rather than a rule. Not to mention that some Digimons without a level (mostly from Xros Wars, or Hybrids and Armour) in some media got a level, and not always it was accurate (according to their power). And you forgot Rapidmon.
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    Whamon is Adult level because it lives in the File Island. Outside of File Island have harsher environments therefore Whamon adapted to Perfect level although it still have same appearance.

    Minotaurmon's level is Perfect according to the japanese card of his. I think English version had its wrong level and that was why he was viewed as "Champion" level by digi-fans mostly.


    Besides Levels, there are few certain Digimon ones with multiple Attributes.... Like Dobermon.

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    Minotaurmon has been both levels. Itís not just an English mistake.

    A lot of older Ultimate Digimon have also been Perfect, since some of the older video games didnít go beyond that level. There are also other oddities in old games. Ebidramon, Shakomon, and Mechanorimon were all Perfect level in their debut on Sega Saturn. There are other examples as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemomon View Post
    And you forgot Rapidmon.
    Rapidmon is strange tho.. adult, armor AND perfect XD

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparrow Hawk View Post
    Besides Levels, there are few certain Digimon ones with multiple Attributes.... Like Dobermon.
    True.. could it be that Digimon have different stats according where they live?
    Like these birds Paridae, which are basically the same but there appearance is a bit different, to survive trough isolation and selection.

    Like whamon needed to be stronger in the ocean
    And Dobermon needed to change the attribute?

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    Yeah Minotarumon was of several Perfect level Digimon that had their level changed over time, specifically it became an Adult as shown in the Digimon Reference Book hence why fans acknowledge it as an Adult rather than a Perfect.

    And by the by, the English card game did have the Perfect level Minotarumon card as well:
    Last edited by Chimera-gui; 06-23-2019 at 03:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMS View Post
    A lot of older Ultimate Digimon have also been Perfect, since some of the older video games didnít go beyond that level.
    But the producer never gave a explanation why, or did I missed something? Itís definitely nice to know if the level is just some construction to measure strength (then Angemon should be perfect, since it is strong like a perfect lvl) or is it a level just like in POKťMON?

    Quote Originally Posted by TMS View Post
    There are also other oddities in old games. Shakomon [was] Perfect level in [its] debut on Sega Saturn.
    Why would they made a Perfect lvl digimon to a Child?

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    With Whamon, I guess the idea was that it's a big whale, so it's gonna be strong, but not quite the strongest Digimon out there. So, once the final level moved up one, they did the same to Whamon in turn (either that, or like what was just mentioned about Shakomon, maybe they just couldn't think of a suitable Perfect Vaccine for Deep Savers, or they REALLY wanted to fit in Rukamon but figured it'd be extremely awkward to have it be Whamon's Perfect and not the other way around, or they REALLY wanted to fit in Gomamon but figured Rukamon wouldn't work as a Child). I guess another thing worth considering is that, in the original Digital Monster V-pets, Adults were easily the most abundant level while Perfects were relatively rare, so it must've made sense to design the majority of Adults as generic savage beasts or fighters or whatever while the Perfects got more unusual designs (particularly the tiny mutants and whatever evolved from the poop-flingers)..... that, and the fact that every Digimon at a particular stage was essentially the same thing across all five versions, right down to using the same attack animation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chimera-gui View Post
    Yeah Minotarumon was of several Perfect level Digimon that had their level changed over time, specifically it became an Adult as shown in the Digimon Reference Book hence why fans acknowledge it as an Adult rather than a Perfect.
    Even before the Digimon Reference Book, Minotaurmon appeared in the 02 anime where (in the Japanese version) the narrator during its profile screen specifically calls it an Adult (amusingly enough, Tamers did something similar, with Ruki identifying Evilmon as a Child despite usually being an Adult). Minotaurmon's Adult variant also appeared in the card game not long afterwards (it was one of the Lotteria promo cards).

    Quote Originally Posted by Laasko View Post
    Itís definitely nice to know if the level is just some construction to measure strength (then Angemon should be perfect, since it is strong like a perfect lvl) or is it a level just like in POKťMON?
    Strength will vary wildly across various forms of media, but for the most part, levels do determine strength. Though, considering Digimon's roots as a V-pet, you could think of them more as life stages (which is still very apparent in the Japanese names). With that in mind, the idea is that Digimon reach their peak maturity once they hit Adult, though Perfect and Ultimate manage to go beyond that for Digimon who manage to survive (incidentally, Jijimon and Babamon don't usually come off as especially strong in certain media, but their status as Ultimates likely has to do more with their design basis, indicating the end of their lifespan). However, I guess it got a bit complicated since, starting from the Adventure anime, evolutions could be temporary while other stages (usually Child) could be permanently retained, and thus the franchise got its equivalent to the B-button in Pokemon (granted, you could probably say the same thing about the NPCs in Digimon World, though in the V-Tamer manga, it seemed as though EVERYONE, main protagonists and side characters alike, were capable of evolving over the course of the story..... except Gabo, oddly enough).

    And no, I don't get why Angemon was so damn overpowered in Adventure. My guess is that they needed a counter to Devimon whom, despite being an Adult, could come across as a main antagonist due to his basis as.... well, the devil. Plus, it was meant to be a pay-off for Patamon's evolution taking so long (with the arc relating some prophecy about the youngest child having the greatest hidden power, which I could imagine working as a theme of encouragement towards the show's target audience). It probably helped that they were on File Island, which was based heavily on the original Digital Monster V-pets, so Ultimate wasn't even a thing yet as far as the anime was concerned (I also recall some rumors that Digimon Adventure was intended to last one cour, which could've coincided perfectly with File Island's conclusion, but I'm not sure if that was ever confirmed).
    Last edited by Yamato-san; 06-23-2019 at 10:08 PM.

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    Angemon wasn't really unusually strong in Adventure. He just had an advantage over demonic Digimon. They bring that up in 02, where he's useless against Okuwamon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yamato-san View Post
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    What. Minotarumon's level was shown as Adult in DIGIMON REFERENCE BOOK? I didn't know that. How interesting.

    Dobermon's original Attribute is Virus. Its current Attribute is Vaccine that is actually mutation under unknown causes.

    Digimon Reference books will tell you their whole lore. I wish Wikimon update a new section for this case; multiple Level/Attributes.


    At few times I always kept mistaking few certain ones for assuming their Attributes haha... Like Xuanwumon, Tankmon, Junomon, etc....

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