With the Will > Portal | Forum | News | Gallery | Podcast | IRC Chat | File Island | Digital Starlight | Card Terminal | DMA | Digipedia
Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 11 to 19 of 19

Thread: FLCL: Progressive

  1. #11
    I come from the net
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Unknown
    Age
    34
    Posts
    10,669
    Ha. It is. Then the next week we get the other season. Which might be even different then the other two.

  2. #12
    Red shirt AguChamp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2015
    Location
    New York
    Age
    18
    Posts
    97
    Follow AguChamp On Twitter Add AguChamp on Discord Visit AguChamp's Youtube Channel
    I really haven't felt FLCL Progressive till the recent change in animation and direction by around episode 5.

    The character's dynamic doesn't flow as well as FLCL, which isn't helped by the bland writing and situations.
    I want to say the show is just growing out of it's awkward phase, but original FLCL never really had that issue. The characters, their
    relationships with one another, and the overall tone of the show were well put together by day one.

    FLCL Progressive began with a lot of the expository and animation issues I have with generic modern anime, and it really didn't feel like FLCL till the recent
    episode outside of The Pillows making incredible songs.

    I've been warming up to it, but so far the series feels lacking in what made FLCL unique.
    So far it seems to be a show in which the plot takes a while in to truly connect, and while this format is fine and was even in the original FLCL,
    that doesn't mean the characters and story have to be dry, just because they're waiting for the plot to kick in.

    I've grown to like Hidomi, Iide, and to a lesser extent Jinyu, but it took the recent episodes to do so.
    They don't have an interesting or unique dynamic with one another.
    I get the feeling that these newer episodes are directed not just by someone different, but someone with experience.

    I've enjoyed the recent episodes, and I hope they keep up that trend. Though the recent stuff with Medical Mechanica and Atomsk seems oddly retreaded,
    as opposed to exploring other corners of their world or characters. It makes sense considering the characters involved, but it's execution
    isn't as well tied into any sort theme or character development, where as the various events of FLCL felt well tied to it's world, theme of maturity, and characters.
    Less of an Agumon Champion, more of a general Fan

    >currently raising<
    Digimon Pendulum 20th
    Koume(L)/ Kotake(R)

    Digimon Pendulum 20th Manual: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vG...9wSpwf-DOPhqk7

  3. #13
    I'm a Maniac Chakmon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    New England, USA
    Posts
    173
    I could offer that FLCL2 was saddled with having to be a sequel while FLCL got to be an original work. But I also question whether anyone could outdo the original anyway. It was Gainax magic with the planets perfectly aligned. I think The Pillows as a musical thread linking the two works together helps keep it in the FLCL world, but there was definitely an intimacy in the original that I just don't feel with Progressive and any of its characters. In fact, I have a little metaphor in my head going that the transactional relationship between Mori and Aiko kind of exists with everyone here and maybe that's a "thing" to this story?

    I personally still like Episode 1. The intro dream sequence, with the music playing into Hidomi's alarm to the title card I thought was fantastic, and a good intro was critical to the start IMO. Although you could argue that Episode 1 was a huge throw back to the previous series with a lot of what happened in it.... maybe that's why I liked it so much. The series just seems very "sanitized" overall... I can't think of a better way of saying it.

    With respect to FLCL: Alternative, my impression is it will be something totally different (just a gut feeling) and I don't think it's planned to air until September.... I'm not a general fan of reboots (I have much PTSD being a Eureka Seven fan suffering under continuously horrible "reboots" lacking the magic of the original... it's like being a Sonic fan...) as they deny the market from original concepts and tend to not live up to the greatness of whatever they're paying homage to (with exceptions).... they also tend to reek a bit of laziness IMO as they get an assumed audience segment based on original series fans no matter what they deliver in terms of quality... but this is the world we live in..... I am excited to see how this story ends.
    Kachikachi Kocchin!

  4. #14
    Red shirt AguChamp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2015
    Location
    New York
    Age
    18
    Posts
    97
    Follow AguChamp On Twitter Add AguChamp on Discord Visit AguChamp's Youtube Channel
    Episode 1 was relatively solid, but I didn't enjoy episode 2 at all.

    IMO considering they had new staff working on the show, the show should've yearned to be unique to the old show,
    or at least try to cover ground the original FLCL didn't cover. If it's near impossible to recreate a feeling, it's much
    better to create a new emotion, but in the current era of nostalgic callbacks running every sequel imaginable,
    it seems obvious that they'd go a safe route of sticking to original FLCL, The Pillows being an example.

    I'm interested in Alternative, hopeful it improves upon what we have now.
    I'd hope for no complete reboot. Getting set up was already awkward this time, it could end up more so
    later on.
    (Sonic really did go the obnoxious route, not a direct reboot, but trying to have a story, but being so lazy that it suffers
    from poor continuity.)
    Less of an Agumon Champion, more of a general Fan

    >currently raising<
    Digimon Pendulum 20th
    Koume(L)/ Kotake(R)

    Digimon Pendulum 20th Manual: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vG...9wSpwf-DOPhqk7

  5. #15
    I come from the net
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Unknown
    Age
    34
    Posts
    10,669
    Oh yeah. I remember Eureka 7's stuff. At least AO and that first movie. Not the recent ones. They were so weird.

  6. #16
    Red shirt AguChamp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2015
    Location
    New York
    Age
    18
    Posts
    97
    Follow AguChamp On Twitter Add AguChamp on Discord Visit AguChamp's Youtube Channel
    I have to say, with the last episode of FLCL, overall... unremarkable and poorly made.

    I'd wager the biggest detriment to FLCLP was the introduction of new cast, who seemd unaware of what makes FLCL unique/good and filled the story with a lot of issues of other modern anime.

    Also the story feels filled wh a lot of coincidences that barely correlated with any overarcing theme or plot, merely thrown in to get from point A to C and get a quick action scene in since the animation isn't nearly as creative or well done as FLCL.
    Odd that Studio Trigger seems to better emulate some of what I love about FLCL, way more than Production IG

    I though the introduction of new directors/creators would be good, but especially after watching Incredibles 2, one of these only sequels that I felt actually understood the magic of the original, it seemed well made as a result of mixing cast integral to what made the Incredibles the Incredibles, but also properly mixing in new ideas to flesh out what was there.

    FLCLP is just inferior, and I doubt I'll remember it for any good reason outside of episode 5.
    Keeping my expectations low for Alternative so that it can easily meet them.

    On the bright side, at least we got more Canti... I can't get enough of that crazy robo.
    Less of an Agumon Champion, more of a general Fan

    >currently raising<
    Digimon Pendulum 20th
    Koume(L)/ Kotake(R)

    Digimon Pendulum 20th Manual: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vG...9wSpwf-DOPhqk7

  7. #17
    I come from the net
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Unknown
    Age
    34
    Posts
    10,669
    Well, I didn't really understand anything so it must have been a success. Next we wait until September for the next series.

  8. #18
    I'm a Maniac Chakmon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    New England, USA
    Posts
    173
    Incredibles 2 was fantastic! I was impresed with what they did in-terms of story, character, flow, and seperating itself from the original movie enough to tell its own story and be its own thing. FLCL2 could have learned some writing/production lessons from Disney on that one... I would agree the FLCL2 ending was a bit lackluster. I would also agree it seems to have followed that formulaic approach of reboot nostalgia prevalent with everything else....

    My biggest gripe is with the lack of a Hidomi story overall. I must say I was a bit disappointed when I learned FLCL2 would have a female lead, because part of what made FLCL so funny was that it was a coming-of-age boy story, and Gainax wasn't shy about pervy humor hitting Naota from all directions. I wasn't sure how that energy would play-out with a female lead... and with FLCL2, it basically didn't. I think having Raharu directly showing kids porn in-class in Episode 1 laid the groundwork for the unimaginative in terms of pervy/hormonal energy that is N.O. and the basis of this bizarre tale. I did like the amusement park angle though in general. Nothing fantastic was really done with it though...

    I got very little relatable background on Hidomi's attachment to the café and missing her dad and how that affected her, until the right at the end when it was used as a turning-point for her growth in her mom's eyes. There was not enough groundwork laid for the impact that scene was suppose to deliver at the end. And I honestly don't care about Ide.... he's a low-budget Naota. If we were going to have a female lead in FLCL2 I wanted a Hidomi story... not Hidomi thru Ide... which is what this often felt like. My issue is I feel like FLCL portrayed male adolescence pretty damn well in it's 6-episodes with the changing faces of Naota and those around him as everyone grows more into their worlds.... the plot just sort of moved things along and allowed for cool anime things to happen (robots, guitars, fooly-coolying, and all that crap) .... Did FLCL2 deliver a female adolescent story? I'd say no. It was a fail in my eyes for that. But then again, I'm not a female. But I don't think it did what FLCL did in terms of making a coming-of-age story for its lead. If it did, way more time would have been spent showing us how Hidomi relates/reacts with her world with some stumbling growth points (we got very little of that). I feel like FLCL2 spent too much time in the world around Hidomi developing a "story" and not enough time with our main character. It felt sterile. In the end I didn't really care much about anything or anyone....

    I think Aiko is probably my favorite character in this one... so many anime stereotypes.... I'm actually not sure how I feel about Canti reappearing at the end. The lower quality animation was very jarring for me with both Raharu (Haruko?) and in the end, Canti. Plus, I didn't get my "My name is Naota! Don't ever call me Takkun again!" moment... Hidomi's moment was a combination of wanting to save Ide, and finding her strength with her connection to her mom and the inevitability of change and growing up.... it was.... okay... I guess.... I really want to watch it again and get my thoughts more clear on it.... was this a fair coming-of-age story for a girl? I don't know. I lack perspective. But I feel like no.

    I'd say it didn't live-up to the original in terms of overall writing, character development or animation quality. In 6-episodes how did we end up with great Naota development and have such interesting characters in Mamimi and Ninamori… I'll never know.... What FLCL2 left me with was: completely loving Hidomi's headphones, and a new kickass alarm tune on my phone.... oh well... On the plus side, I did like Jinyu overall, and the idea of Haruko splitting under the power of Atomsk is definitely worth exploring more.... I did really like that premise... OP title cards were fair; CL was pretty good; music was great!
    Kachikachi Kocchin!

  9. #19
    Red shirt AguChamp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2015
    Location
    New York
    Age
    18
    Posts
    97
    Follow AguChamp On Twitter Add AguChamp on Discord Visit AguChamp's Youtube Channel
    Very much agreed.
    Less of an Agumon Champion, more of a general Fan

    >currently raising<
    Digimon Pendulum 20th
    Koume(L)/ Kotake(R)

    Digimon Pendulum 20th Manual: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vG...9wSpwf-DOPhqk7

Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •