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    I am going to say except of DMO and a couple of manga, my name of Ryudamon and it whole line are lost Digimon. Even look at Ouryumon. It suppose to be jogressed in with Alphamon, but the writers found a way to write that off by having Alphamon do it on its own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryudamon View Post
    I am going to say except of DMO and a couple of manga, my name of Ryudamon and it whole line are lost Digimon. Even look at Ouryumon. It suppose to be jogressed in with Alphamon, but the writers found a way to write that off by having Alphamon do it on its own.
    even tho it isn't really make you "lost" i understand what you are saying because i thought that as well we didn't see any of your line in any anime and and not much in games exept alphamon ouryuken i want to see you more as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yamato-san View Post
    I was very intrigued by Habu's proposal for eventually having a game which features every Digimon (even if he claims it'd take 8 years.... hell, I'll wait 80 years, I just want it), but part of me wonders what Bamco would consider "every Digimon", since there are quite a lot that still have yet to see a Reference Book profile, or even a single piece of official artwork. Still, the fact that Digimon like Red V-dramon and the entire Arkadimon line (even the Baby form) got recent/upcoming revivals in the games leaves me rather hopeful.

    Blikmon was rather odd.... it appeared in the first Digimon World, where it wasn't even considered a Digimon (just an NPC called the "Blik Doll"; the English localization did refer to it as a Digimon, though). Then the model got re-used in Digimon World 2, where it was established as its own Digimon (where it was a Perfect Data).... and then after that, nothing. It didn't even get an appearance in the card game whereas just about every other monster debuting in Digimon World did. I'm not sure why it suffered as it did, but I'm hoping it sees a revival.

    I wouldn't mind seeing the Golemon from the first Digimon World be re-established as its own Digimon. Same with Digimon World 3's version of Black Seraphimon.

    I don't think ToyAgumon-L is cause for concern. It's really just ToyAgumon (Black) but with a different name. Digital Card Arena introduced a few recolors like the red Otamamon and the violet Elecmon, but in those games, their names were distinguished by having a letter after them (guess they didn't wanna bother coming up with a completely new name to distinguish them like with the Digimon World recolors). I'm assuming you think that ToyAgumon-L is a different Digimon from ToyAgumon (Black) because L is supposed to be translucent like ClearAgumon. If you look at its appearance in most media, that's actually the case. The only exception that I'm aware of is its appearance in Frontier (which I'd chalk up to the animators not wanting to bother with a translucent effect on a small army of enemies of the week).

    I don't know what the deal is with Pippimon, but thankfully, since the time of its introduction, the franchise has moved away from forcing one BabyII to every BabyI, so it should be able to fit into any existing evolution chain without much issue (I'd picture it evolving into Chapmon).

    As for HolyDigitamamon and all those other contest winners..... yeah, I'm not sure why Bamdai/Bamco's been sitting so long on those guys, but hopefully they'll still get released eventually. We did get Mermaimon and Witchmon after quite a few years.

    I'm not sure every single minor fusion in Xros Wars or the Xros-Ups really needs to be acknowledged as their own Digimon. I mean, do you look at MailBirdramon+Golemon and think of a whole new Digimon, or just a minor, temporary power-up? And really, I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of these were just the result of Toei screwing around with the gimmick without any input (or even consent) from Bamco (not to mention the sheer laziness of some of these designs, in both appearance and naming.... honestly, could the name of that DaiPenmon+IceDevimon fusion be any more of a mouthful? And honestly, I'll be perfectly fine if Dorbickmon+Huanlongmon never sees the light of day again). And let's not even get into every minor fusion DarkKnightmon went through in the manga. Overall, I'd say if they don't have official artwork, didn't appear in any other media (like Digimon Collectors or the Super Xros Wars games), and just isn't very distinguishable (as opposed to, say, ReverseWeddinmon), I don't think it should be noteworthy enough to count as a unique Digimon.

    Likewise with Cheergalmon and those Digimon from the CD drama, they just come off to me as one-off gag Digimon, nothing more (we might as well count Takato's early sketches for Guilmon's Perfect form or Takeru's envisioned Adult forms for Patamon as Digimon in need of a revival).

    And as for all those other minor Digimon from the games or other media, as I said before, they're liable to see a revival someday. Thankfully, the fans certainly haven't forgotten them, and if Bamco gets pestered enough, they could bring them all back. Amusingly, from what I've seen of the Japanese Digimon Game Community, a few Japanese fans are aware of Citramon and asking he be made official, same with Sleipmon Burst Mode and ChaosDukemon Chaos Mode. But I wonder about those Digimon World 3 enemy recolors (even though they seem to have their share of fans as well).

    Anyway, some obscure Digimon I'd personally like to see: Impmon and Monodramon's BabyI and II forms. Baby Digimon have a hard time appearing in any media as is (partly due to not even being playable at all in the card game, for the most part), but these guys seem especially forgettable. There's no profile artwork, and while the BabyIIs got to appear at the end of Tamers, the BabyIs aren't near as lucky. Go on Wikimon, Ketomon only has a game sprite as its sole image, and Kiimon barely even exists (only ever being mentioned in an animation artbook, I think). I'm just glad that Arkadimon's Baby is coming back in Hacker's Memory, 'cause it's another Baby form that seemed liable to be doomed to obscurity (and should it not have appeared with the rest of its line, who knows when or if it'd get to be introduced in the Story series).

    Also, Master V-dramon. Given the aforementioned revival of Red V-dramon, Master could have a shot. Though, I wouldn't mind them retconning its coloring (it's just a barely noticeably different shade of blue from V-dramon... like you'd have to be comparing both of their D-1 Tamers sprites very closely to even tell). The black V-dramon too, for that matter (it only appeared on one card, which used a 3D model instead of any artwork).

    And finally, some theoretical Digimon I'd love to see. There's the remaining Chessmon: KingChessmon (Black), QueenChessmon (White), and RookChessmon (White) (a black BishopChessmon already appeared in Xros Wars). And I'd like them to fill out those remaining Hybrids, at the very least a Fusion form for the Earth, Water, Steel, Wood, and corrupted Dark Spirits (especially that last one; Duskmon and Velgmon were too awesome not to deserve one, and Lowemon and KaiserLeomon can not replace them). From there, a Transcended form for all of them (with KaiserGreymon and MagnaGarurumon thus far being the only ones), and maybe a Child form (in the same vain as Flamon and Strabimon). Also, the remaining none-Ancient versions of the Ancient Digimon (Wisemon was released after AncientWisemon as I recall, so it seems like the others could all have one).
    Thanks for a long and detailed answer

    Well. Here are two pictures of ToyAgumon (Black), both his official art and his anime look, which is slightly darker:


    Here is ToyAgumon L:

    ToyAgumon L is not only more transparent, it's clearly in a much lighter color. And why wouldn't they just call it ToyAgumon B if he was truly meant to be him? IMO, nothing really indicates that ToyAgumon (Black) and ToyAgumon L (Light?) are the same, except that their looks are kinda similar. But keep in mind that at least, there's a bigger difference here than there is between Garurumon and Gururumon, lol.

    I really agree about Monodramon's and Impmon's Baby forms... At least give them some official art and a reference book profile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marwan View Post
    Thanks for a long and detailed answer
    Well, you didn't need to quote my entire post if you were only gonna respond to two points (all of which I separated into their own paragraphs).

    And I don't know what the L was supposed to stand for, but I don't think it's any coincidence that the other recolors in that game (violet Elecmon and red Otamamon, probably others) went on to appear in other media with the letter removed from their names. As for ToyAgumon-L's lighter color, I think that's more a result of the PS1's graphics. I mean, try comparing that in-game image to the artwork, and you see that they tried going for some sort of lighting effect. Take that out of the equation, and I don't think their coloring looks too radically different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yamato-san View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marwan View Post
    Thanks for a long and detailed answer
    Well, you didn't need to quote my entire post if you were only gonna respond to two points (all of which I separated into their own paragraphs).

    And I don't know what the L was supposed to stand for, but I don't think it's any coincidence that the other recolors in that game (violet Elecmon and red Otamamon, probably others) went on to appear in other media with the letter removed from their names. As for ToyAgumon-L's lighter color, I think that's more a result of the PS1's graphics. I mean, try comparing that in-game image to the artwork, and you see that they tried going for some sort of lighting effect. Take that out of the equation, and I don't think their coloring looks too radically different.
    I'm sorry, I just didn't have any comments to the rest of your post

    If you don't know what the L stands for and you only think that the lighter color is a result of PS1's graphics, then you probably understand why some may be a bit skeptical about your theory, right? Besides, the examples you mentioned that debuted in the game (purple Elecmon and red Otamamon) are both recognized as their own species, so why not ToyAgumon L, who also debuted in the game? As I said earlier, there is a bigger difference between ToyAgumon Black and ToyAgumon L(ight?) than there is between Garurumon and Gururumon. The fact that ToyAgumon-L did not appear later on just puts him in the same boat as Golemon PS. Neither ever appeared again later on.

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    I think it's likely that ToyAgumon L is the Virus ToyAgumon. Besides the visual similarities (they don't look really different in-game, as far as I can tell), they have the same attacks, as is common with black versions of Digimon. Note that the red Otamamon and purple Elecmon, on the other hand, have different attacks than the original versions.
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    OK, I tried looking around to see what these Digimon's exact names were when they debuted in Digital Card Arena.

    http://blog.livedoor.jp/digitalcard_...es/692721.html

    Seems the names were ToyAgumon-L (トイアグモンL), Elecmon-Vi (エレキモンVi), and Otamamon-D (オタマモンD). I'm guessing the Vi and the D stand for Virus and Data, respectively (as they did end up having those attributes unlike their original counterparts), but still no idea what the L stands for. I still think it's just the exact same Digimon as ToyAgumon (Black), but if it makes you feel any better, some fans on the Japanese Digimon Game Community are bringing up wanting to see obscure variations of certain Digimon. Stuff like the silver Brachimon that only appeared in the PS1 games and D-1 Tamers, and one fan was bringing up Mugendramon's PS1 coloring (in which it has a white head instead of a black head). And slightly less obscure, but someone mentioned wanting WarGreymon's tri redesign to appear in a game (which, to its credit, does seem to sport a number of new physical features as opposed to just looking different due to the art style... whether or not VenomVamdemon Undead is to be established as its own Digimon is something I'd wonder about).

    On another note, I just remembered another theoretical Digimon they could introduce: Nanomon's original Vaccine form. Nanomon's profile mentions that it used to be a Vaccine before being attacked by a Virus (oddly, this profile was on Digital Monster Ver. 5, before attributes existed, though it might've been referring to more generic computer terminology). However, out of all the Digimon it evolves from (according to Wikimon), BlackGalgomon seems to be the only Vaccine, and that hardly comes off as Nanomon's "canonical" evolution (and this evolution only comes up on one card). Its most frequent evolutions, Cyclomon and Guardromon, are fellow Viruses. Alternatively, they could just start having an existing Vaccine Adult be used in its evolution chains more frequently, but I'm not sure what could suit it given its profile description. It may also be possible that Nanomon's Vaccine form is a same-level variant (something akin to Deathmon).

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    Just say that there are a lot of the 1999 Digimon that are consider alternatives of the Digimon that we know. In 1999, the Digimon that came out are like Tsukaimon, Aruraumon, Nise Drimogemon, ect. ect. ect. These are consider lost Digimon due to the fact that there is no animation of the Digimon. They are only in some of the games. My email address is from Tsukaimon, which I made before the Dawn and Dusk games. I got it in 2000, when I just got DW2. I found a lot of them when I was doing my Sporcle quizzes.
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    Yamato: Guardromon is ALSO a non-virus digimon that was corrupted by a virus. and Mechanorimon is actually whatever attribute its pilot is (just, almost always numemon).

    ToyAgumon L is vaccine, so it's not actually a blacktoyagumon. What it is is a ClearAgumon with colorless pieces and a different name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryudamon View Post
    Just say that there are a lot of the 1999 Digimon that are consider alternatives of the Digimon that we know. In 1999, the Digimon that came out are like Tsukaimon, Aruraumon, Nise Drimogemon, ect. ect. ect. These are consider lost Digimon due to the fact that there is no animation of the Digimon. They are only in some of the games. My email address is from Tsukaimon, which I made before the Dawn and Dusk games. I got it in 2000, when I just got DW2. I found a lot of them when I was doing my Sporcle quizzes.
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