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    My honest critique/analysis of the 02 Epilogue

    With the release of Adventure tri. Part IV: Loss just less than a week away, I thought this would be a good time for me to express my thoughts and criticism of the "epilogue" of Adventure 02. Now for quite some time, I've heard mostly mixed feelings about how this whole thing resolved; some didn't seem to have a big issue, most sure had some things to say and so do I.

    Now, the way I'm going to do this is by looking at and analysing the quotes by Takeru "TK" Takaishi as he narrates and recaps what has happened to in the end, both the English dub and the original Japanese subtitled version. If I made any errors, please feel to let me know and I'll correct it any way how. Also, any and all constructive criticism are simply my opinion. So here goes...:

    Warning! There may or not be spoilers for 02 and/or tri ahead so be aware.


    • English dub dialogue
    • Japanese sub dialogue
    • My critique/analysis


    "Oikawa turned himself into energy and used his life force to revitalise the Digital World. He restored all the beauty that was almost completely destroyed by MaloMyotismon and Oikawa's spirit is still protecting the Digital World forever..."
    "Oikawa Yukio turned his life into energy and set it free upon the Digital World. And so, the Digital World came back to life and was restored..."
    • The first line itself I wouldn't have an issue with, until what has happened so far in Adventure tri. A mysterious virus appears out of nowhere, the 02 crew end up missing and a reboot results in many (if not all) Digimon losing their memories. Judging by that, Oikawa may not be doing a swell job at protecting.


    "Now everyone on the planet knows about the Digital World and has their own partner Digimon."
    "Now, a Digimon partner exists for everyone in the world."
    • Now this is the line I've the biggest issue with. Nope, not the pairings or jobs or whatever, it's this one line. Despite this being the second line in Takeru's narration, this very revelation he brings up does raise an awful lot of questions. Like what happens to the Digimon if their human partner dies anyway now? Do Digimon basically have the exact same jobs as their partners? Can Digimon enter military? Can Digimon have roles in politics? Do people who don't even have any access to a computer have a partner too? Do Digimon follow the same religions as their partners? What if a human doesn't want a Digimon partner?
    • Also, even though he said that every human has a partner of their own now, but does that mean every Digimon has a human partner as well? For all we know, there could be homeless Digimon living like tramps in the streets.
    • And lastly, everyone in the world might include criminals, gangsters, drug dealers, and even frigging terrorists! This may not end well, if terrorists start bombing streets and shooting innocent civillians with their Digimon, it could result in an increasing negative view and a chance of Anti-Digimon protests. All in all, it's most likely going to end badly for our heroes, the consequences could even reach apocalyptic levels.


    "But, besides all the changes contact with the Digital World has brought on, one thing has remained the same... our friendship! We all still get together, and those gatherings are some of the happiest days of my life!"
    "The Digital World has been recognised by people all around the world. However, reaching that was not easy."
    • 'Recognised by people all around the world', eh? So does it that anyone can enter that world with ease?
    • I'll admit, while he did say that 'reaching that wasn't easy', which implies that there were difficulties and all within the 25-years in-between (*coughs*I'm looking at you, Tri*coughs*)


    "Tai and Agumon are diplomats dealing with relations between the real and Digital worlds and Tai finally cut his hair."
    "Taichi became an ambassador to mediate between the Real and Digital Worlds."
    • (Hair-cutting joke aside) Does the Digital World have any structure of government or even any idea of politics? It's basically a bunch of islands and continents formed from data & code by Earth's networks. How can one be an ambassador/diplomat for that? The closest I could think of is maybe some kind of council formed by Gennai, Tai, Agumon, and possibly others.


    "Matt and Gabumon become an astronaut team and made it all the way to Mars, even through they were only suppose to go to the moon."
    "Yamato, with Gabumon, became the first astronaut with a Digimon partner."
    • (Joke about going to Mars or the Moon or whatever aside) Like most fans, I found this to be rather implausible and out-of-place as well. I heard this was for a third series where a new threat would come from space (Digimon fighting Aliens?), but in a way, I'm kind of glad that idea never saw the light of day.
    • I imagine Matt as either being a session guitarist, or maybe even a soldier in the Self-Defence Forces.


    "Sora and Biyomon are fashion designers. Biyomon says their new line is just to die for!"
    "Sora became a fashion designer specializing in Japanese style."
    • This one's kind of a mixed-big for me. Personally, I liked her when she was more tomboyish back in the first series, not that she was bad in 02 (albeit downplayed), but this didn't seem right to me. Not as stupid as Matt's choice, but still...
    • I imagine her more as maybe a coach in sports like tennis, rugby and football. I dunno.


    "Joe's the Digiworld's first doctor. Too bad his patients keep eating his tongue depressors."
    "Jou became the Digital World's first doctor."
    • (Tongue depressor joke aside) This one I mind so much, except when you get down it, are Digimon actually capable of getting diseases? Are they prone to cancer? Being digital creatures, this kind of baffles me a bit, but not as much as the others.


    "Mimi's cooking show is the only time she takes off her hat."
    "Mimi became a cook."
    • Okay, this one I didn't mind as much either, but I do picture her being more into fashion business instead of Sora. Hell, she could even get frigging fame and fortune with her singing voice.


    "Izzy researches the Digiworld. He and his daughter have their own language."
    "Koushiro is a Digital World researcher."
    • Out of all the choices in careers for our heroes, this one (along with Joe and Ken) seems the most plausible to me, so it's not a bother at all.
    • I know this is exclusively from the English dub (and it's probably another dub joke as well), but what's the point of making up their own language when they could just use the classic DigiCode?


    "Kari's a teacher. She actually likes being at school."
    "Hikari became a kindergarten teacher."
    • As others might've pointed out, this is the only moment where we don't actually see the character doing what they do now, so this one seems a tad suspicious to me.
    • Another weird thing is that her son has a Salamon/Plotmon (which is a Rookie/Child form), while the other children's Digimon partners are in their In-Training/Baby II forms. Should it be a Nyaromon or something? Did her son get his partner first before the others or what?
    • Although I don't mind Kari being a teacher (let alone a preschool/nursery teacher), but it still feels like a last-minute addition. I think she's more better as maybe a photographer or a journalist, hell I think she would be cool as a psychic or a medium, similar to Miki Saegusa from the Heisei Godzilla films.


    "Ken and Yolei are married with children, and Ken and Stingmon are detectives. But Yolei says he can't detect when it's his turn to do the dishes."
    "Miyako married Ichijouji Ken and is now the mother of three. Ken became a police officer."
    • Just to get this out of the way, I don't mind Ken and Yolei as a couple tbh (being a stay-at-home mother still seems out-of-place though). But while TK did say they got married, he didn't mention about Matt and Sora. Hmm, seems a bit fishy to me.
    • I didn't really mind Ken being an officer though, so that's cool by me.


    "Cody's a defence attorney. He's bought 100 briefcases because Armadillomon keeps sitting on them."
    "Iori became a criminal defence attorney."
    • (Briefcase joke aside) I agree with CactusCausal on this one, I think it better sense if Cody became an police officer to protect innocent lives. Maybe even swap Ken's and Cosy's career choices.


    "Well, Davis finally opened his noodle cart, and believe it or not, he became a huge success. There's now Noodle, Noodle, Come Get Your Noodle carts all over the world!"
    "Daisuke's ramen cart was a huge success in America. He's now a businessman with chain stores all over the world."
    • While I don't mind Davis opening a noodle shop, but actually making a legit worldwide business out of it seems a bit implausible to me. But to be fair, this was apparently within 25 years so he must've went a long way to get that high a status.


    "So, you can see we're still having adventures. They're just a little different than the ones we used to have when we were kids. The darkness has not been conquered, and it will continue to fight against the light forever. But as long as people remember to follow their dreams, evil will be kept at bay. And on days like today, it's hard to see any darkness anywhere. Now it's up to our children, and to children everywhere, to follow their dreams. Who knows where they'll end up, but the only way to find out is to take the first step into adventure..."
    "In people's hearts, as well as in the world, there is light and darkness. They will continue to battle each other forever. However, as long as you keep the light in your heart and hold the power to realize your dreams, all will be fine. Those who will turn the pages of new adventures are you..."
    • I have to admit, this last speech (both the English dub and Japanese sub) is somewhat touching and heartwarming... ...until you realise that Dagomon and Daemon are still in the Dark Ocean, plotting their escape and/or revenge. I mean if Ken, Yolei, TK and Kari can find a way or two in, Dagomon and Daemon could find a way out. While the DigiDestined's children go out to the Digital World, Earth might be grave danger sooner or later.



    So that's my analysis/critique of the 02 epilogue. I know it's not much, but eh, I tried my best. Hopefully the Tri series will pick up and explain some things, but seeing how we're halfway through (and soon enough, 2 thirds through), I've my doubts. But those are my thoughts, what are yours?
    Please feel free to express your thoughts, opinions, reasons and ideas in the comment section down below. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon View Post
    "Cody's a defence attorney. He's bought 100 briefcases because Armadillomon keeps sitting on them."
    "Iori became a criminal defence attorney."
    • (Briefcase joke aside) I agree with CactusCausal on this one, I think it better sense if Cody became an police officer to protect innocent lives. Maybe even swap Ken's and Cosy's career choices.
    In Adventure 02, Iori comes to understand that "good" and "evil" are not so black-and-white; sometimes, good people do bad things (and maybe therefore become "bad" people but that's an entirely different discussion). I think that Iori's friendship with Ken as well as the impact of the Oikawa incident (since Oikawa was friends with Iori's father, I wouldn't be surprised if Iori has a lot of emotions re: Oikawa) both set Iori upon the path of becoming a defense attorney, as early as these incidents were in his life. His father took a bullet for a politician so Iori has every right to be angry at criminals, "bad" people, etc., but over the course of the show, he learns that this dualistic way of thinking is the exact opposite of being mature or grown-up or showing that he's "over" his grief. You really see this when he tries to help Oikawa across the barrier between the worlds right before Oikawa dies. I think it's very fitting that Oikawa's last words (or maybe his close-to-last words) are to Iori himself.

    So yeah, I definitely feel that Iori becoming a defense attorney is the greatest way to cap off his character development in 02. Iori had to forgive both Ken and Oikawa, and that resonates more with a career as a defense attorney -- a position in which you have to truly understand and empathize your clients. (Though I guess not all defense attorneys do that...but again, that's another discussion.)

    After the events of 02, Iori doesn't care so much about enforcing the law as he does about understanding WHY people make the decisions that they make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon View Post
    "Sora and Biyomon are fashion designers. Biyomon says their new line is just to die for!"
    "Sora became a fashion designer specializing in Japanese style."
    • This one's kind of a mixed-big for me. Personally, I liked her when she was more tomboyish back in the first series, not that she was bad in 02 (albeit downplayed), but this didn't seem right to me. Not as stupid as Matt's choice, but still...
    • I imagine her more as maybe a coach in sports like tennis, rugby and football. I dunno.
    A lot of Sora's character development in Adventure came from her relationship with her Mother. Her Dad's working over in Kyoto and is never home. Her family is famous for Ikebana (flower arranging) but she grows up with more tomboyish interests like soccer/football. I don't know if this was supposed to be a rebellious thing or what, but it caused a lot of friction between her and her Mother who's upholding the family name. Then we get the Real World arc where they get a chance to patch things up, and I feel like this becomes more evident after Adventure's events.

    In Hurricane Touchdown - debatable canonity aside - we see that Sora has now taken an interest in flower arranging, like her Mother. In 02 we also see her take up tennis, but again her downplayed tomboyishness may just be down to her improved relationship with her Mother. Maybe it's just me, but her ultimately becoming a fashion designer feels like a natural progression based on that.

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    I agree with Wildwing above, and I generally feel that a lot of people forget that three years or so pass between Adventure and Adventure 02. Think of yourself in 5th grade, then think of yourself in 8th grade.

    Then think of yourself today.

    I think it's fair to say that most people would not necessarily choose careers based on passing interests they had when they were 10. Sometimes this is the case and we even see it in Digimon Adventure (Joe and Koushiro come to mind), but usually it's not the case -- and we also see this in Digimon Adventure.

    Keep in mind also that the 02 epilogue was planned to be the epilogue for Adventure 1999, it was only tacked onto the end of 02 when it was decided that Adventure would get a sequel series and they adjusted the epilogue accordingly to include the additional characters.

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    The only thing we know for sure about the original planned Adventure epilogue, as I recall, is that Takeru would be revealed to be the narrator all along and maybe the Sorato marriage. Developments like Taichi as the Digital World ambassador and everyone has a Digimon only made sense with the developments in 02. Even Yamato's job seemed like a reference to the planned third series with aliens idea which never would have gotten that far it Adventure was a solo series.

    Adding the 02 kids wasn't the only change 02 brought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DontStopPataPata View Post
    The only thing we know for sure about the original planned Adventure epilogue, as I recall, is that Takeru would be revealed to be the narrator all along and maybe the Sorato marriage. Developments like Taichi as the Digital World ambassador and everyone has a Digimon only made sense with the developments in 02. Even Yamato's job seemed like a reference to the planned third series with aliens idea which never would have gotten that far it Adventure was a solo series.

    Adding the 02 kids wasn't the only change 02 brought.
    I understand what you people mean so far, and I get that. It's just my thoughts after all, but you've your thoughts as well, more power to you.

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    It always bugged me that none of the kids played football (soccer) professionally, since it was a huge part of a lot of the kids' lives growing up.


    "Tai and Agumon are diplomats dealing with relations between the real and Digital worlds and Tai finally cut his hair."
    "Taichi became an ambassador to mediate between the Real and Digital Worlds."
    It also really bugs me that no-one but Ken has an "unconventional" haircut and instead they're all rather... boring and standard looking. What happened to long haired Jou? Well, I guess future Takeru has a bit of a mullet going on.
    On to the second point... what about Taichi makes him a good Ambassador anyway? He never seemed all that diplomatic in the series.

    "Matt and Gabumon become an astronaut team and made it all the way to Mars, even through they were only suppose to go to the moon."
    "Yamato, with Gabumon, became the first astronaut with a Digimon partner."
    So I'm guessing they got to Mars like how the kids in 02 got to the Digital World?
    Anyway, I agree that Yamato should have been a guitarist or had... ANYTHING to do with music and shouldn't have been a random astronaut.

    "Sora and Biyomon are fashion designers. Biyomon says their new line is just to die for!"
    "Sora became a fashion designer specializing in Japanese style."
    I think Sora should have become a professional Tennis player instead, or at least a school coach.

    "Joe's the Digiworld's first doctor. Too bad his patients keep eating his tongue depressors."
    "Jou became the Digital World's first doctor."
    Wasn't Jou in Adventure AGAINST being a doctor, like his dad? I'm guessing he fails his tests in Tri and runs away to become a "doctor" in the Digital World.

    "Mimi's cooking show is the only time she takes off her hat."
    "Mimi became a cook."
    Wait... didn't Mimi take off her hat at the end of Adventure?
    Anyway, going from great singer to cook is so random... in fact, most of the jobs these kids end up with as adults are random!

    "Kari's a teacher. She actually likes being at school."
    "Hikari became a kindergarten teacher."
    Talk about understating her abilities... she would have made a WAY better psychiatrist or a communication specialist, with Digimon who can't "talk". This also reflects on one of her first encounters with Botamon, since she "communicated" with it by using her whistle.

    "Ken and Yolei are married with children, and Ken and Stingmon are detectives. But Yolei says he can't detect when it's his turn to do the dishes."
    "Miyako married Ichijouji Ken and is now the mother of three. Ken became a police officer."
    I think being a fashion designer would have fit Miyako more than Sora, since Miyako seems more girly and I would honestly have expected it from her.

    "Cody's a defence attorney. He's bought 100 briefcases because Armadillomon keeps sitting on them."
    "Iori became a criminal defence attorney."
    This one makes sense to me. Cody doesn't seem to be all that active and chasing criminals doesn't seem like his sort of thing. Also, since he's a defense attorney, he has more say on who won't be put in jail and who won't be arrested due to unjust convictions.

    "Well, Davis finally opened his noodle cart, and believe it or not, he became a huge success. There's now Noodle, Noodle, Come Get Your Noodle carts all over the world!"
    "Daisuke's ramen cart was a huge success in America. He's now a businessman with chain stores all over the world."
    This one is kind of out of nowhere... why did he want to open noodle carts in America anyway?

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    Honestly, becoming any kind of professional athlete seems a lot less likely than the jobs they got. They don't have any particularly great athletic abilities, but they DO have a lot of experience interacting with strange Digimon and exploring new worlds. And that also gives them a level of celebrity, as much as they mostly don't want it (apart from Mimi, Sora, and Daisuke, I suppose?).

    I really don't mind most of the job choices apart from Housewife and Astronaut. Seriously if anyone could have leveraged that celebrity status into a great job, it would have been Yamato's band or Miyako's anything (her parents' shop, her interest in programming, Russian translator?! Something?)

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    Tbh I also thought the job choices were rather random, even if people do change over time. But I can't help but feel that Sora's, Mimi's, and Miyako/Yolei's were kinda... sexist? Or just stereotypical for women; Cooking, Fashion Design, and being a stay at home parent are usually stereotyped as "feminine." I know it's Japan and the show was made in the 2000's, but still, it's there. And as long as it's there I'll point that out. These stereotypes aren't just bad for women either, all genders are affected negatively because of it.

    I was also bothered by every single person having their own Digimon partner. It kinda ruined the point of the Digidestined being important in the series and being "chosen" to save the Digital World. And as mentioned, why should all the bad people have Digimon partners? That will just lead to disaster.
    Overall it kinda reminded me more of Daemons from His Dark Materials, rather than an actual Digimon series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DontStopPataPata View Post
    The only thing we know for sure about the original planned Adventure epilogue, as I recall, is that Takeru would be revealed to be the narrator all along and maybe the Sorato marriage. Developments like Taichi as the Digital World ambassador and everyone has a Digimon only made sense with the developments in 02. Even Yamato's job seemed like a reference to the planned third series with aliens idea which never would have gotten that far it Adventure was a solo series.

    Adding the 02 kids wasn't the only change 02 brought.
    The quotes from Jippy's Tumblr kind of imply otherwise, but I guess you're right -- the only thing we know for sure is what you described above. Thanks for the correction.

    Quote Originally Posted by DigiAmy View Post
    Tbh I also thought the job choices were rather random, even if people do change over time. But I can't help but feel that Sora's, Mimi's, and Miyako/Yolei's were kinda... sexist? Or just stereotypical for women; Cooking, Fashion Design, and being a stay at home parent are usually stereotyped as "feminine." I know it's Japan and the show was made in the 2000's, but still, it's there. And as long as it's there I'll point that out. These stereotypes aren't just bad for women either, all genders are affected negatively because of it.

    I was also bothered by every single person having their own Digimon partner. It kinda ruined the point of the Digidestined being important in the series and being "chosen" to save the Digital World. And as mentioned, why should all the bad people have Digimon partners? That will just lead to disaster.
    Overall it kinda reminded me more of Daemons from His Dark Materials, rather than an actual Digimon series.
    I don't necessarily agree about the "feminine stereotype" stuff. I have nothing to really support this other than years of Project Runway but I would imagine that there are more gay men in the fashion design industry than women, and I always thought of cooking as a gender-neutral field. The only odd decision is Miyako as a housewife, but I like to imagine that she still retains an interest in programming, etc.

    In addition, I always thought it was implied that people are born with their Digimon partners in a similar way as His Dark Materials, as you described -- so it's not like "bad people" have Digimon, but rather people all grow up with Digimon and can still make the choice to do bad things. There are good people and bad people. There are good Digimon and bad Digimon. It could be argued that a truly "bad" person wouldn't be able to care for his/her Digimon properly and evolutions would just result in lots of Numemon, etc.

    You didn't say this yourself, but I also think it's odd that so many people are surprised that Taichi, Sora, and Daisuke didn't grow up to play soccer (or tennis, in Sora's case). Again, how many kids grow up to professionally play their sport of choice at age 10?

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