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    Was Takato's Dukemon a Royal Knight?

    While working on the Royal Knights article, I discovered that the first mentions of the Royal Knights are in Dukemon's Digimon Tamers Toei profile (http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/digimo...a/dukemon.html, which wayback can only confirm existed as of Jun 07, 2002, whereas the character debuted December 2, 2001), and as flavortext on the species' earliest cards:

    http://wikimon.net/DR-1
    http://wikimon.net/Da-1
    http://wikimon.net/St-385 (July 2001)

    As well as a contemporaneous card for Omegamon:
    http://wikimon.net/Vj-12

    I'm not able to get exact dates on the cards (not sure where to look), but it seems like Takato's Dukemon might have been meant to be a Royal Knight; considering that the group was introduced with Omegamon as well, who appeared in one of Tamers' movies, that character may have been meant to be one as well, and it does jive with his role in the movie.

    However, I can't recall any time in which either Omegamon or Dukemon was called a Royal Knight in the Tamers anime. Does anyone know whether the toys, or even just an episode I'm forgetting, call the specific characters Royal Knights? Or is the Toei profile enough to say, "Yes, Takato's Dukemon was the first partner Royal Knight"?
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    In the anime, if the subbed version I saw is accurate, his analyzer says he is a "hero of the Digimon". But I don't recall they specifically calling him Royal Knight.

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    The dub called him an exhalted knight digimon. I don't think Takato's Dukemon is a Royal Knight though. Guilmon was 'made' by Takato and shouldn't have really existed. So in my own theory, the group doesn't exist in Tamers, as it hadn't been created yet. (I suppose you can argue the whole Dorumon stuff in X-Evolution the other way)

    Also the firebird isn't the same as mentioned in Adventure 02. So it's easily feasible that he isn't a RK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inpu View Post
    While working on the Royal Knights article, I discovered that the first mentions of the Royal Knights are in Dukemon's Digimon Tamers Toei profile (http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/digimo...a/dukemon.html, which wayback can only confirm existed as of Jun 07, 2002, whereas the character debuted December 2, 2001), and as flavortext on the species' earliest cards:

    http://wikimon.net/DR-1
    http://wikimon.net/Da-1
    http://wikimon.net/St-385 (July 2001)

    As well as a contemporaneous card for Omegamon:
    http://wikimon.net/Vj-12

    I'm not able to get exact dates on the cards (not sure where to look), but it seems like Takato's Dukemon might have been meant to be a Royal Knight; considering that the group was introduced with Omegamon as well, who appeared in one of Tamers' movies, that character may have been meant to be one as well, and it does jive with his role in the movie.

    However, I can't recall any time in which either Omegamon or Dukemon was called a Royal Knight in the Tamers anime. Does anyone know whether the toys, or even just an episode I'm forgetting, call the specific characters Royal Knights? Or is the Toei profile enough to say, "Yes, Takato's Dukemon was the first partner Royal Knight"?
    I'll be inclined to think no; Gallantmon and Megidramon, unlike Guilmon's other forms, got D-Arc entries, so it seems that at least a Gallantmon existed prior to the Bio-Merge and the Royal Knight is the only known one who fits that mold.

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    Well, another aspect is that the lore regarding the Royal Knights has changed significantly since its introduction (well, at least regarding the group being explained). Back in the day of their release, we knew virtually nothing about the group except that Omnimon (2000), Magnamon (2000), and later Gallantmon (2001) were a part of it and that Imperialdramon PM (2001) had founded it. I recall that, at the time, fans generally regarded all members of the species as being RK's. (Note that years denote release years)

    As far as authorial intent (*dodges bullet*), for all we know everything has changed. Generally speaking, the only early thing was that most Royal Knights were Holy Knights, but that there was still one Holy Knight, Rapidmon Armor, who wasn't a Royal Knight. Heck, even Imperialdramon PM is now considered to be an Ancient Holy Knight. Otherwise, the only commonality is that each at the time was a Goggle Boy Mon's form, arguably the most powerful.

    Looking into the cards for mentions of "Royal Knights" yields an earlier date. Magnamon St-551 (2001, Dec.), Omegamon Vj-12 (2001, ?), Dukemon St-385 (2001, July), and Imperialdramon PM St-660 (2002, March). Thank Megchan's old repository for much of that data. All of the initial RK info on them was released around the same time as well, so I call shenanigans. That places the first definitive mention of the RK on Gallantmon prior to his debut in Tamers.
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    Takato's Dukemon doesn't belong to the Royal Kights, nor did the Omegamon that appeared in the fifth Digimon film (Nickname/Alias: 'The Dimension Crossing Hero') who chased Mephismon through another dimension, its card appeared in Booster 11 (Bo-537).

    They weren't really prominent in franchise serials and other material until the Chronicle era in 2003 with the experimental prototypes created by Yggdrasill who they RK served. Many of the cards of the Holy Knights like Dukemon and Omegamon earlier than this didn't belong to this order.
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    Well, Chronicle and Frontier would be a close tie, both had the RK appear in 2003. Before that, everything about the RK that I recall anything about was from those card profiles mentioned above.

    Interestingly, the Gallantmon card with the RK mention (which is the earliest mention that I can find) makes this statement only in the description section, not in the groups. The D-Ark Promo likewise mentions his being a Royal Knight (DA-1, cf. DA-1WIN), as does his D-Real promo (DR-1).

    The problem with Bo-537 is that Omnimon hadn't been mentioned as a RK before that release from what I can tell. With St-820 as a possible exception (as I can't find more detailed release info for Vj-12), once a Digimon card had mention of the "Royal Knights", all subsequent Hyper Colosseum cards of that species mentioned the same.

    Just based on the timing of the RK sightings, and that Gallantmon's card is the first to make any mention of the RK, I have to suspect that the whole idea began with him. It really looks like Omnimon and Magnamon were retroactively added in.

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    I guess the question I'm more asking is -- is the Dukemon profile on Toei's Tamers website about Takato's Dukemon, or the Dukemon species?

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    If it's on the Tamers website, then I'd be inclined to say yes, it's about the Tamers Digimon. That would go fairly hand-in-hand with the timings mentioned above. The timing would seem to indicate that Gallantmon was the first to be referred to as a Royal Knight - after all, he was the first truly knight-like Mega.

    Remember, though, that the concept of the Royal Knights likely was still in the formational stages. The modern notion (or at least fan consensus) that the RK are a very specific subset within the species may have been non-existent. Likewise, fan notion around the early days, ca. 2001-2002, was more in line with the species being a part of that group. Most of the then-RK were also, generally, formed under specific and rare conditions.

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    It seems to me that you're in the best position to answer your question, Inpu, since you have the source and the ability to translate it. What about the other profiles on the site? Do they seem to refer specifically to the characters in the show, or to their species in general?
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