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Vande
03-06-2016, 12:26 PM
This thread is to discuss the Episode on the forum during/after it airs. It is not to be used beforehand. Also spoiler tags will not be required.

Vande
03-11-2016, 10:07 AM
Good grief guys. I was hoping to see a boat load of spoilers here by now! -prods you all with the WtW stick-

Manta
03-11-2016, 10:14 AM
First, sorry for my bad english xD

Okay the newest movie was very awesome!!! I love the new evolution scenes and Seven was great

And I speculate about Meiko-san. I think she has a brother/sister (Ken?) (She says to Takeru: "But you guys are close, that's great"). i know too much speculating, but the black digivice from her at the end can be a hint (or it change to black because it was a evolution to ultra level?).

I love the way of Joe and i was crying after Gomamon left him :(

Speculating 2: If Yamato and Taichi beat the darkness we will see a new Omegamon?! ^^


Can't wait for the third movie!!

Witherjay
03-11-2016, 10:18 AM
My brain is full of what. Vikemon hype, of course. Arctic Blizzard looked awesome animated and I loved the chains in his sequence. Rosemon was cool, but we've seen her before in Savers, so she wasn't anything new. This one felt very Digimon. With them all running off and getting up to trouble it was very nostalgic. There was a lot of cute Digimon doing cute things, so its a thumbs up in my book. I also liked the Ogremon V Togemon sequence. Interesting how Togemon ended up taking down a helicopter by accident.

Of course, the ending is the biggest thing. Meicoomon is evil? Maybe? I guess? Kaiser is about, being silent and stuff. Hackmon too. Did they kill Imperialdramon? It kinda looked like they did, but who can say. Also, why the hell was Maki smiling when Meicoomon killed Leomon?! I have so many unanswered questions I just can't make heads or tails of it yet.

Actar
03-11-2016, 10:19 AM
Enjoyed it thoroughly, though I had my nitpicks. Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that they didn't Warp Evolve, but Ultimate Evolved instead? Like seriously, how much cooler would that have been? I was also hoping to see how they'd handle the Warp Evolution sequence, but nope. Now it makes the "Complete" Selection Animation Digivice annoyingly "Incomplete". (See what I did there?) This is what I get for hyping it up. Thanks Toei... Thanks Bandai...


Leomon died again. Yup. That's the tradition they chose to stick with? (^.^;)


Yes, Maki (the female agent) is in on the entire thing. She deliberately leaves Meicoomon in a place where Ken could pick her up and smiles when Meicoomon evolves.

Kay-El
03-11-2016, 10:23 AM
I am shocked but not surprised that Leomon died again. I wonder if he will be reborn again since he died in the real world but probably not.


I didn't like that there wasn't any explanation for Ken or Imperialdramon... probably in part 3.


Enjoyed it thoroughly, though I had my nitpicks. Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that they didn't Warp Evolve, but Ultimate Evolved instead? Like seriously, how much cooler would that have been? I was also hoping to see how they'd handle the Warp Evolution sequence, but nope. Now it makes the "Complete" Selection Animation Digivice annoyingly "Incomplete". (See what I did there?) This is what I get for hyping it up. Thanks Toei... Thanks Bandai...

I wasn't annoyed by the fact that they didn't Warp Evolve... I was more so annoyed that their evolutions were boring and plain (excluding Lilimon).

flintlock
03-11-2016, 10:24 AM
I just finished watching it! It felt like a lot of focus was on the day to day lives of the kids, which makes a lot of sense because this was supposed to be the one day where they were allowed to just be kids, but I feel like some may complain that this episode had too much filler. However those scenes made me so happy though, there's too many great moments to mention. I am sure it's just the calm before the storm if the ending was any indication. The ever lurking presence of Ken (not Taichi...lol) made me feel really tense. I knew what was going to happen because of commercials, but because I knew it was coming it actually made me feel more tense. There was even foreshadowing and tension building as early as the bath house scenes.

The evolution scenes after adult were amazing. Vikemon and Rosemon look so good! It made me feel like a kid again, because I always got so excited when Digimon evolved into something we never saw before. There's a lot of lol toei moments but the backgrounds don't bother me as much as the first episode. Is it just me or did they change the Adult evolution scene by giving it a different ring?

I became so emotional during the scenes with Joe. Mimi's character arc felt like a natural progression of her character from Adventure. I like Hikari's scene with Taichi implying Taichi will learn from his teammates characters arcs in the future. I like how not every character arc was solved at the end of the episode. It's such a major difference from monster of the week shows. The same goes for the plot. There's still so much we don't know about what's really happening with Meicoomon.


So about Ken. Ken appeared in his Digimon Kaiser get up. But I think it was actually Meicoomon's projection of him because he just sort of dissipated with fancy digitized and Chibimon and Mimomon didn't appear from Imperaildramon. Considering the revelation that Meicoomon is the one responsible for the infections and distortions, it's as if the appearance of infected Digimon and Ken It was as if Meicoomon's dark side was trying to pull him back into darkness and the Digital World. I'm not sure if I'm convinced, because Ken may have just teleported and Jou and Mimi's conversation implies people can go back into doubts they previous worked through.

The ending was gut wrenching even though we should all expect Leomon to die in everything by now. I just really didn't think they'd do it AGAIN. I want to yell at my TV. How many dead Leomons are we at now? They knew what they were doing too because it was so close to a happy ending. My face was literally Juri's face. I like how Meicoomon's fear of a Digimon losing control was what transformed him, but it's the same fears everyday people have about Digimon right now too and I'm sure that will come into play later.


I think Hackmon was responsible for Vikemon and Rosemon's evolution. I think he was the one who sent the prophecy to Koushiro's computer too. He was with Palmon and Gomamon in the distorted network, and his eye was glowing as if he was giving them power.

What's her faces creepy smirk when Meicoomon killed Leomon was unsettling. But I don't know if it means anything.

ShikaSS
03-11-2016, 10:33 AM
I think Saikai was bettter.

They explored some bits left unexplained in Saikai, like why Omegamon split it, but overall nothing important really happened the whole movie, which is ironic looking at the festive tone it had. Jou and Mimi's plotlines were actually alright, but their resolution was way too rushed. They tried to make both issues converge, even if it wasn't in the most accurate way. The comedy was very good, though. A lot of still shots on this one too, to the point of being obnoxious, especially during the girl's dance.

Also, Maki's character - who we now know is Daigo's ex - is becoming interesting. That sly smirk she gave when Meikumon evolved (?) points to her being evil. And it was really weird seeing everyone cheering for Rosemon and Vikemon killing Imperialdramon (you can argue it wasn't Daisuke and Ken's Imperialdramon, but on the same episode they immediately recognized Orgemon).

Exiled
03-11-2016, 10:34 AM
I really loved how they attacked to kill (and maybe even killed) Imperialdramon without hesitation. Potentially a fused form of their V-mon and Wormmon friends, but they killed it without even trying to talk with him, and showed no remorse or concern even after he became scraps of data. Those are friends! (yeah, Ryo was right to fleeing to another universe as soon as he got the opportunity).

And yeah, Sakai was better than this. Too much filler.

Actar
03-11-2016, 10:37 AM
I wasn't annoyed by the fact that they didn't Warp Evolve... I was more so annoyed that their evolutions were boring and plain (excluding Lilimon).

Okay. The Ultimate Evolutions are pissing me off more than it should.

I mean, I get why they did it (they wanted to show off Ikkakumon's evolution and the Super Evolutions as well, blah, blah, blah) but man is it really vexing. It took so much away from the end sequence for me and it's leaving a bitter taste in my mouth. After thinking about it for some time, I think I know why.

Firstly, there's no zero-to-hero comeback. Yes, it's cliched, but that's what's good about Digimon. When all odds are against them, they rise to the occasion and that giant leap in power is what gives viewers the catharsis. That was sorely lacking with the long, drawn-out evolutions. The step-by-step evolutions were alright in the first movie, because Agumon and Gabumon evolved in quick succession. It could easily be taken as a out-of-stock-animation Warp Evolution and it was done very fluidly. Not so in this movie.

Next, the evolution sequences hardly did anything to distinguish itself from one another. I honestly don't want to draw comparisons to the original, because people will think I want everything to be the same, which isn't the case, but hear me out. Just look at how much more unique and flashy the evolutions were in the original. You really did feel that something amazing was happening with the more powerful evolutions because they had special intos, CG animation, backgrounds, etc... In Tri? Nothing. More gold rings in the same white space...

On top of that, there's the CSA DIgivice that just adds salt to the wound. Sorry, but toy and show inaccuracies just really get to me because... how hard is it to follow a show?

Vande
03-11-2016, 10:37 AM
Is it possible that they don't remember Daisuke etc? (aka something is making them not remember). Not seen the part sooo...

ShikaSS
03-11-2016, 10:38 AM
Considering the revelation that Meicoomon is the one responsible for the infections and distortions,
I thought Maki was deliberately framing Meikumon, since she was pretty much the one who let Kaiser get her.


I think Hackmon was responsible for Vikemon and Rosemon's evolution. I think he was the one who sent the prophecy to Koushiro's computer too. He was with Palmon and Gomamon in the distorted network, and his eye was glowing as if he was giving them power.
I thought he was just staring at things happening, that seems to be his thing.


Is it possible that they don't remember Daisuke etc? (aka something is making them not remember). Not seen the part sooo...Nobody apart from Ken was mentioned. But it isn't impossible.

flintlock
03-11-2016, 10:44 AM
I really loved how they attacked to kill (and maybe even killed) Imperialdramon without hesitation. Potentially a fused form of their V-mon and Wormmon friends, but they killed it without even trying to talk with him, and showed no remorse or concern even after he became scraps of data. Those are friends!

Yeah that bothered me too.Which is why I think it might not be Ken but Meicoomon's apparition of him. But the reasoning is more along the lines of the writer's reasoning so it's not very satisfying. I think that's my only problem with Part 2. My emotions and hype were so big that I can overlook it unless Part 3 has more writing like that. :/

The worst part is that it makes everyone look like hypocrites after Meicoomon killed Leomon because Meicoomon paniced and thought he was infected too.



Is it possible that they don't remember Daisuke etc? (aka something is making them not remember). Not seen the part sooo...

Mimi calls him by name, Ichijochi-kun, when she sees him first.


I thought Maki was deliberately framing Meikumon, since she was pretty much the one who let Kaiser get her. I thought [Hackmon] was just staring at things happening, that seems to be his thing.


The thing about Maki that confuses me is that when she realized she left Meicoomon alone, she dropped her icecream and ran for it like she was actually shocked. My memory is bad, was there anyone actually watching her when she did that so it would look like an act?

The thing about Hackmon is just speculation, but we don't know why he's watching them yet.

ShikaSS
03-11-2016, 10:46 AM
The thing about Maki that confuses me is that when she realized she left Meicoomon alone, she dropped her icecream and ran for it like she was actually shocked. My memory is bad, was there anyone actually watching her when she did that so it would look like an act?
Daigo was with her, I think.

Neilandio
03-11-2016, 10:50 AM
Overall I think this was MUCH better than the first one. Anyone else thinks that could be Meicoomon X antibody?

Digitalguy
03-11-2016, 10:57 AM
I really loved how they attacked to kill (and maybe even killed) Imperialdramon without hesitation. Potentially a fused form of their V-mon and Wormmon friends, but they killed it without even trying to talk with him, and showed no remorse or concern even after he became scraps of data. Those are friends! (yeah, Ryo was right to fleeing to another universe as soon as he got the opportunity).

And yeah, Sakai was better than this. Too much filler.

Clearly the the Adventure kids operate on a "out of sight, out of mind" level.

flintlock
03-11-2016, 10:57 AM
Overall I think this was MUCH better than the first one. Anyone else thinks that could be Meicoomon X antibody?

Probably not but I think As'maria helps design new Digimon, like Rust Tyranomon and Mastemon and Jesmon (not sure the last two were confirmed though) so he might end up looking like one.

The X motif I think is supposed to be a cross.

He's the genesis of a virus so it's pretty much the opposite of an antibody.

Kon
03-11-2016, 10:58 AM
I enjoyed Ketsui.

I really like comedy moment and interactions among digidestined.

I love watching new evolutions, although resolution of conflicts felt a little rushed.



Nobody apart from Ken was mentioned. But it isn't impossible.
The strangest thing is how the digidestined get that Ken has become Kaiser again. Their reaction did not seem to common answer about a friend turning evil again (though perhaps is that they did not have much time to think the situation).

RestInPain
03-11-2016, 10:59 AM
I kinda thought that the 02 Chosen Children were dead and currently the 01 kids were trapped in an alternate reality made by the dark ocean.

C-MC
03-11-2016, 11:05 AM
I kinda thought that the 02 Chosen Children were dead and currently the 01 kids were trapped in an alternate reality made by the dark ocean.
The 02 chosen children are not dead

krfz41
03-11-2016, 11:22 AM
Wow, this movie was really enjoyable. It was a lot better than the first one. I really liked the SoL parts, and digimon were really adorable. Good to see some character development too. Oh, and that ending... It can't end without Leomon dying right?

It had some Toei-tier visuals at some parts, and due to 90 minutes length, it felt a little rushed, but it's an improvement over the first movie. I think the series is going on a good direction. Looking forward to the next movie coming this summer! There are still so many questions unanswered. Well, I've got my dose of nostalgia for now.

Tyranno
03-11-2016, 11:31 AM
I'm glad we got more information on Himekawa in this one. Her character seems really intriguing.

EDIT - also, I doubt they "killed" Imperialdramon and that everything is as it apparently seems. o_o remember, a jogress still has to split apart and reform when it devolves, so maybe they and Ken just left before it was finished.

flintlock
03-11-2016, 11:33 AM
Just a small detail I thought was worth mentioning. Meiku's Digivice after Meicoomon revealed his true form was an X made of double helixes, and back when Meicoomon was revealed people mentioned how it looks like he might have a double helix theme. I think the prophecy Koushiro received may actually be about Meicoomon, because it was something about going "beyond the darkness" which is what Meicoomon is currently going through.

RestInPain
03-11-2016, 12:02 PM
I kinda thought that the 02 Chosen Children were dead and currently the 01 kids were trapped in an alternate reality made by the dark ocean.
The 02 chosen children are not dead That's good. It'll at least give more continuity. But I still think the dark ocean theory is there.

Neilandio
03-11-2016, 12:04 PM
Just a small detail I thought was worth mentioning. Meiku's Digivice after Meicoomon revealed his true form was an X made of double helixes, and back when Meicoomon was revealed people mentioned how it looks like he might have a double helix theme. I think the prophecy Koushiro received may actually be about Meicoomon, because it was something about going "beyond the darkness" which is what Meicoomon is currently going through.
Here's a picture of that:
http://imgur.com/2Lr5XEk

KageX
03-11-2016, 12:06 PM
Just a small detail I thought was worth mentioning. Meiku's Digivice after Meicoomon revealed his true form was an X made of double helixes, and back when Meicoomon was revealed people mentioned how it looks like he might have a double helix theme. I think the prophecy Koushiro received may actually be about Meicoomon, because it was something about going "beyond the darkness" which is what Meicoomon is currently going through.

Given the whole "Double Helix" motif this is really supporting the speculation that Meicoomon might be a fragment of Apocalymon.

Does anyone have screenshots of Meicoomon's "True Form" and the new Digivice?

Because I would like to look at them side by side in comparison with images of Apocalymon, Mephismon and Gulfmon just to see if there are other "hints" to such a tie besides the Double Helix thing.

Edit: Ninjamon'd!

Okay yeah the parts outside the X in the center do look quite a bit like the "Circuitry" designs on Apocalymon's spiky bits which the DNA Strand claws emerge from and the side of his humanoid body's helmet.

And the X itself made up of DNA Strands that really do look like the ones on his "Helix Tentacles".

Spongebond
03-11-2016, 12:14 PM
Okay firstly, I really enjoyed all the filler. All the Digimon and Human interaction entertained me thoroughly.
Secondly, lol - Leomon.
Thirdly, the plot did not really move anywhere but I felt there was a lot that happened. The humans creating weapons to fight Digimon were pretty cool. At first I thought Ken was maybe not actually real. because Hackmon had something to do with it. Leomon interacting casually with the Chosen, and the partners was really fun to watch.
What bothered me, was the quick resolution to their 'issues.' I really enjoyed Meiko in this she was absolutely adorable. I like the tension between Taichi and Yamato and I enjoyed the different Chosen interacting with each other.
One other thing, Ken. Like guys, there he is? I really, really hope the first scene of Movie 3 is them actually looking for Ken. I could handle the 02 gang not being mentioned but if they get ignored again it would just become super ridiculous at this point.

Was waiting for a post credit scene though.

Sabrblade
03-11-2016, 12:42 PM
Ugh, they can't just end it like that! I need MOAR!!!


The step-by-step evolutions were alright in the first movie, because Agumon and Gabumon evolved in quick succession. It could easily be taken as a out-of-stock-animation Warp Evolution and it was done very fluidly.Except that Gabumon was already Garurumon before that step-by-step evolution sequence began. So unless you're arguing that Garurumon Warp Evolved instead of Gabumon, then what we saw in the first movie was MetalGreymon and WereGarurumon Ultimate Evolving in real time.

Vallant
03-11-2016, 01:01 PM
So what was your favourite piece of fan service and why was it Taichi in the sauna?

C-MC
03-11-2016, 01:10 PM
I kinda thought that the 02 Chosen Children were dead and currently the 01 kids were trapped in an alternate reality made by the dark ocean.
The 02 chosen children are not dead That's good. It'll at least give more continuity. But I still think the dark ocean theory is there. Yes I agree with you. I'm pretty sure Daisuke, Miyako and Iori will have some type of roles in the upcoming movies

MarcFBR
03-11-2016, 01:15 PM
I'm still contemplating much of what I saw, as a lot actually happened.


So interesting thing that I don't believe anyone has noticed yet. May be important, may be nothing.


We noticed in part 1, that during the evo sequences, that the partner Digimon are made up of trinary (I know that isn't the actual name, but it's what I'm going to use) data instead of binary.

http://u.cubeupload.com/marcfbr/cap1.png


In part 2 we get to see a NON-partner Digimon's code though, we see Ogremon's as he becomes infected.

http://u.cubeupload.com/marcfbr/cap2.png


Interesting that it isn't trinary...

flintlock
03-11-2016, 01:18 PM
And the X itself made up of DNA Strands that really do look like the ones on his "Helix Tentacles".


The only thing I can see might be similar is that Meicoomon has hexagons on his hands and feet, and Apocalymon has pentagons on his claws.

smilewolfy
03-11-2016, 01:35 PM
I don't really think that rosemon and vikemon attacking Imperialdramon for "the kill" was necessarily a bad thing, contrary to what others on this thread feel.
Takeru did say "Why him again?" which is interesting, isntead of saying something about ken having returned to being evil, this makes me think the reason that the chosen children didn't mention the 02 kids in the last movie is because they could have become corrupted and were defeated, and they didn't expect someone like Ken to return, so they've also most likely come to terms with this and accepted that Imperialdramon is no longer their friend and instead evil.

Pretty much I think it's too early to dismiss that scene as bad because they showed no remorse about defeating him, there's still a lot in Tri we don't know, especially revolving around the 02 kids

Exiled
03-11-2016, 01:39 PM
There is much in tri. we don't know because tri. focused more in fillers than in actual plot. In an ova that last 90 minutes, only the 15 last minutes are plot-focused. Even less than Sakai...

MarcFBR
03-11-2016, 01:44 PM
There is much in tri. we don't know because tri. focused more in fillers than in actual plot. In an ova that last 90 minutes, only the 15 last minutes are plot-focused. Even less than Sakai...

If you think only the last 15 minutes was plot based then you really weren't paying attention.

Moreso if you think the only plot element (or even the primary one we should be concerned about honestly) is about Meicoomon and the infected Digimon.

smilewolfy
03-11-2016, 01:50 PM
There is much in tri. we don't know because tri. focused more in fillers than in actual plot. In an ova that last 90 minutes, only the 15 last minutes are plot-focused. Even less than Sakai...

well I don't think it's bad, the "filler" you're talking about, since we got to see all the characters interacting, developing etc which allows us to grow more attached, instead of just going through the plot. While I did also notice there was more "slice of life" scenes than I thought, many of them focused on character growth which is just as important as plot imo.

And something that I find quite good about Tri is that you don't get the answers served to you right away, that's what makes watching future installments more interesting, piecing together all the information.

krfz41
03-11-2016, 01:56 PM
Interesting that it isn't trinary...

Yeah, I was expecting some 2's there and thought it may be the cause of the infection. Then the lack of 2's got my attention, and I recalled the chosen digimon had ternary code.

So I think it's the opposite. The infected ones have binary data and normal ones have ternary. Maybe the ones with ternary data are immune to the infection...

saifors
03-11-2016, 02:22 PM
LEOMON NO WHY NOT AGAIN DAMNIT TOEI
Everything was great we got Vikemon and Rosemon had some entertaining character interactions and some interesting battle.
And me and my friend were celebrating Leomon surviving and fighting of the infection and then MEICOOMON JUST F***ING STABBED HIM RIGHT IN THE HEART, SCREWYOU MEICOOMON ALSO YOU TOO HIMEKAWA, DON'T THINK I DIDN'T SEE YOU SMIRKING.

Neilandio
03-11-2016, 02:31 PM
Looks like they upgraded the evolutions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piF8841yYFs

Kanan
03-11-2016, 02:54 PM
That movie was aaaaaaa! I was so expecting it. When I heard that tri 2 is Digimon emperor I was really excited :3
Ichijouji will never again would star voluntarily Emperor. He is too kind and shy. Someone is brainwashed him. But why? Why digimon emperor? And who is the bad guy. Frist time it was vandemon. But I'm very sure he is really dead. And there was Imperialdramon too. So Daisuke is somewhere???
+why leomon must always die...xD

wildwing64
03-11-2016, 02:56 PM
Clearly the the Adventure kids operate on a "out of sight, out of mind" level.

Either that or the Adventure universe itself is just very forgetful :p

--

Great episode. Loved the SoL. Great character building and a ton of funny moments thrown in too, even if they were at Leomon's expense. While not a funny moment itself (except in the context of a running gag) I was half expecting him to say "Och, ah'm bad at this!" at the end XD;

Say what you will about the evolution sequences, but I liked that we got to see the full thing. We finally see Gomamon to Ikkakumon finishing up the original seven (not sure if I like the new ring addition, reminded me of hazard tape for some reason). And then new takes on the Perfect evolution that pay homage to the originals, giving Lilymon and Zudomon some screen time. And finally, after all these years, Perfect-to-Mega sequences! I hope we get to see this with the rest of the Digimon too.

Seemed almost like Toei was looking for any excuse to keep Taichi and Yamato fighting. But at least we know why now. Taichi hasn't quite found his resolve yet.

The fight with Ogremon, going by the summary, I thought was going to happen more towards the end. They made it out like Mimi trying to show the good Digimon to the world was going to be a key plot point. It was in a way, going horribly wrong for everyone instead. Interesting bit of deconstruction where the news helicopter is attacked by Togemon, completely by accident.

I had more thoughts to add but I'm too tired right now XD;

4digimon
03-11-2016, 03:11 PM
Holy shiet, if you guys didn't point out about Himekawa possibly being evil, I wouldn't have caught on that myself lmao #dumb

But after reading your comments, it's all starting to fall in place and I'm kinda mindblown by this atm lol!

That's why she sent the naughty Mimi shot to Koushiro, to get him out of the office and have Meicoomon alone (well yes with other Digimon, but no humans) so Kaiser could get her! And then when that plan backfired when the Digimon ditched the office, she takes Meicoomon out (notice the creepy hands reaching out for poor Mei-chan during this particular scene) and leaves her alone so Kaiser could make his move. And the smirk at the end when Meicoomon kills Leomon! Evil confirmed!

Shadious
03-11-2016, 03:13 PM
If there's one thing I pretty much appreciate about this chapter, is how Jyou's dilemma resonate to us older fans with RL.

Perhaps nowadays we're focused with our job career, studies, responsibilities and other matters that at times we prioritize a lot firsthand in hopes of making a big break, getting an achievement or simply staying afloat from life's hardships.

There's time for everything. It's all about as much as possible, learning to balance our priorities. As a proverb says afterall:

"All work and no play makes Jack (Or in this case, Jyou.) a dull boy."

As for the other stuff, at first I thought I can fully trust Maki in this chapter as she opens up a bit and shared the same dilemma she had with Jyou, but when I saw her make that grin during that certain scene--- Boy, oh, boy....

That woman must have something fishier (Perhaps could be sinister too.) than she's letting us the viewers know.

Is it something evil? Time will tell.

Manta
03-11-2016, 03:32 PM
I wait for the day we See the girlfriend of Joe :D

4digimon
03-11-2016, 03:33 PM
If there's one thing I pretty much appreciate about this chapter, is how Jyou's dilemma resonate to us older fans with RL.

Perhaps nowadays we're focused with our job career, studies, responsibilities and other matters that at times we prioritize in hopes of making a big break, getting an achievement or simply staying afloat from life's hardships.

There's time for everything. It's all about as much as possible, learning to balance our priorities. As a proverb says afterall:

"All work and no play makes Jack (Or in this case, Jyou.) a dull boy."

As for other matters, at first I thought I can fully trust Maki in this chapter as she opens up a bit and shared the same dilemma with Jyou, but when I saw her make that grin during that certain scene--- Boy, oh, boy... I had to wind back.

That woman must have something fishier (Perhaps could be sinister too.) than she's letting us the viewers know.

That definitely hit home with me as well, Jyou has always been the character I was most similar too lol.

Anyhow I must say that Vikemon and Rosemon evolutions felt way too rushed I'm afraid to say :/ Idk, maybe I just expected something a bit more epic, but even this wasn't that bad. The evolution sequences though.. give me a break. I dislike all of them, though Lilimon's was somewhat nice as it took from her original one.

The battle though, Rosemon and Vikemon vs ImperialDramon... that was pretty epic in my book! Vikemon is so dope and awesome. And I couldn't help but noticing the fanservice with Rosemon lol, the boobs jiggling and all. I guess they were going for a realistic approach this time trololol

I enjoyed the slice of life, fillerish scenes, made me warm up to Meiko and Meicoomoon quite a bit. And Mimi and Jyou's storylines were on point as well. When Jyou said 'why do we have to fight again, why us' I kinda rolled my eyes and felt it was a bit clicheic, but Mimi made that remark like 'you're still asking that question after all this time huh' and I was like yes, thanks for pointing that out story writers Mimi!

Overall, I enjoyed this a lot. The filler, even tho enjoyable, could have been cut a bit to make more space for Vikemon and Rosemon debuts, but eh.. what can you do.

Leomon died again.. I was honestly waiting for him to die since the beginning of the movie since I knew it was bound to happen xD And then the end of the movie was nearing and he was still there, but nope Meicoomon goes and kills the shit out of him lol. That scene was quite epic as well.

That's pretty much most of what I liked, disliked and noticed, I'll be watching it again maybe tomorrow, so I might have more things to point out.

Overall, I'd say I enjoyed this a bit more than Saikai? Or maybe I'm just caught in the moment, time will tell I guess.

Plenty to look forward to, hopefully we get more info on the 02 kids and Hackmon's role in the next movie. And I hope they finally go to the Digital World, I need it in my life.

Theigno
03-11-2016, 03:59 PM
The most Important part first : Leomon died! We all knew it had to happen. But it was nevertheless interesting to see it happen so soon after he was reintroduced.
(and sorry if this reiterates some things that have already been said I've pretty much exclusively concentrated on writing this post after watching ketsui and haven't had time to read the rest of the topic)

Overall I found Ketsui more Entertaining than Saikai. Mostly because the Digimon themselves were around from the very beginning. Saikai spend the first "episode" only focusing on the humans before reintroducing the partners rather unceremoniously halfway through the second part and even after that they kept mostly to the background except for fights and a few other scenes. This time the screen time was divided much better and it was nice to see the little subplot of Gomamon leaving Joe introducing some more character interactions that aren't totally human focused.

However on the Digimon side it is weird that without their partners the Digimon seem to act like small children. Unless the Chosen children who have grown up, none of their Digimon partners seem to have matured all that much, which seems strange, as if they had no life during the six years they spent in the digital world. And wasn't the scene of Shellmon's return in Adventure episode 41 demonstrating that the Digimon had grown, even if just in strength, from the beginning of their journey? It seems weird to assume that nothing of the sort happened during the years before tri. which leaves us only with some very depressing implications of the Digimon either being completely dependent on their partners for any development, or that their minds' capacity is literally restricted depending on which level their at leading them to be children forever as long as their in their child forms... both of these options would make Digimon, at least in the adventure universe rather tragic creatures, confined in a fixed state and unable to broaden their horizons unless they evolve. Or maybe I just need to lower my expectations when it comes to the portrayal of Digimon characters in Adventure...

They also did a better job of integrating the Slice of Life with the more serious aspects of the story. In Saikai everyone had just their nromal teenage problems and the only character whose conflicts we followed was Taichi. Now everyone has to deal with the situation they were only gradually becoming aware of before. All those things going on around them, the Digimon are here, the infected are a threat, their teacher is spying on them for the government. there's still unresolved issues between Yamato and Taichi, Joe seems always at the verge of a breakdown, there's focus on Mimi's personality and her friendship with Meiko (btw: Mimi X Meiko is pretty much tri's OTP right now) and it all begins to bleed into their normal lives as well, there's an underlying tension throughout many of the scenes and interactions.

There isn't too much to say about the part in the hot springs. They opted to only show male nudity (disappointing, I know... I really would have enjoyed some more moral outrage) and the whole second part seemed to be like an extension of the one scene in Xros Wars where Akari freaks out Kenjiro when she inadvertently peeks over the boy's side (that scene also had more fanservice in general if I remember correctly)

Now let's talk about Mimi... it was fun watching her being as energetic as ever during the first half of ketsui while the second half highlighted some of the problems that come with her attitude. Of course Mimi being selfish and sometimes a bit to outgoing (especially in a culture like japan's that focuses on respect and the avoidance of conflict) is nothing new, it was pretty much the same issues she dealt with in Adventure but of course this time there are more nuances and the problems are a lot less silly than "I am the spoiled almighty frog queen now". It was also interesting to see that even though for the most part she did play the part of the wild energetic friend who just drags Meiko around, in one significant moment that dynamic was reversed as when Mimi lost her motivation it was actually Meiko who convinced her to put on her cheerleader uniform and open the cafe. (even was embarrassed after that it's the thought in that moment that counts) this adds some interesting dimension to her character, I mean the only other thing we found out about her is that she seems to be supernaturally skilled at designing dresses and they never really elaborated on that.

Now the one thing that was kind of a disappointment was Orgemon. He was great in the prologue and also in the scene featuring the government testing out their weapons to no avail. It did a good job of showing a Digimon's power and how wrong they were to think they could take him on just based on his size. Of course non of their experimental weapons would do anything to Orgemon but we already knew that all they actually needed were some 45. Magnum Dum Dum rounds as we have seen that those even kill perfect level Digimon in one shot (seriously though that part was always weird and seeing how that shooting took place in the digital world I wouldn't be surprised if Pinochimon's gun was something supernaturally special).
But his fight with Togemon was just cut way too short. based on the trailer I expected something actually tragic to happen but that one helicopter crash was all we got. It was played up to be some great catastrophe but come on, we've seen the D-reaper outright blow up helicopters in Tamers and as for tri. itself... the media has pretty much made up their mind about the Digimon when they wrecked the airport, sure the helicopter incident isn't making them any friends but even if they weren't hit by the needle and if Orgemon would have been pushed back into the digital world, the fact alone that two monsters were duking it out in the middle of the park would would made a panic inducing headline all by itself since it's not like the reporters knew the context for that conflict. It seems tri. is just trying to avoid leaving it comfort zone by repeatedly going the "this was bad for our public image" route which is becoming annoying. Overall this makes me remember the cellphone shots from Saikai (even though it's not as bad this time); Trying to evoke some big emotions from something that actually isn't really that shocking considering the circumstances.
Because Takeru was 100% right when he said the Helicopter was closer than it should have been. And for this kind of fight the damage was pretty mild. The Helicopter could have crashed somewhere outside the water, Mimi or Meiko could actually have been seriously hurt by Orgemon, or maybe Mimi would have been forced to go back on her word and, in order to actually avoid such a worst case scenario, have Togemon actually kill Orgemon when there is no other choice. Pretty much all of that would have been more impactful than the Leomon Ex Machina that stopped the fight in the end. Also what happened to Orgemon afterward? is he still roaming the digital world? Did Leomon lock hi up in a shack somewhere? He just kinda disappears... after that fight fight.
Leomon himself was strangely unexplained. Sure we knew of the possibility that he could be reincarnated but no one knew if or when it would happen so I would at least have suspected a bit more of an reaction to his reappearance, something like "wow, you did revive" or they could have gone into a bit of more detail how the lifecycle in the adventure universe works, does Leomon still have all his memories, does he remember the dark area like MetalEtemon did or did he never get there etc.... but no he just shows up and everyone just goes along with it. It's not catastrophic just weird.

Now... I also feel I need to say something about Koushiro if only because I had so much to complain about him in Saikai (or the events sorrounding him to be exact as my statements have been repeatedly misconstrued, I never said that, in the scene under the bridge in Saikai, ignoring other people was OOC for Koushiro rather it was the other characters ignoring him that seemed rude and uncharacteristic). This time he was handled better, mostly because they didn't play up his "super overachieving teen genius" this time, it would have been annoying if kept inventing plot devices or just spouting exposition but most of the time in Ketsui he felt more natural (the whole office thing is still annoying though). He showed some terrible fashion sense in the first scene when he showed up in a bib overall of all things making him look like came from a farm or something, but maybe that was part of the joke. I mean later he was rocking that goldfish shirt (I think it shows either ryukin or veiltail fish) that was actually really stylish... that is the kind of shirt they should put on the Bandai fashion story not just the borign "Summercamp" or "knife of day" shirts... anyway of course he had to waste his opportunity to impress ALL the girls in the school with his awesome fish shirt when he instead showed up to the festival in an overly formal suite with a discolored fly (even Mimi was put off by that...) Maybe "only wears good looking clothes when he's by himself" will be his main character flaw in tri. and part 4 or 5 will be all about Koushiro having to master the secrets of fashion in order to get Tentomon to evolve. And then there's his reaction to Mimi... I think the expressions and general awkwardness went a bit overboard there but I admit that the scene with "urgent" email really made me laugh. It's truly a big change from someone who used to completely ignore Mimi trying to get his attention while he was immersed in his computer to only needing to see a picture of Mimi looking pretty to leave all his possibly important work behind. maybe character development, maybe just puberty.

And then there is Joe. I have surprisingly little to say about him; his conflicting feelings were obvious from the start and he didn't really change his mind until the very end. But the great thing was just the pure intensity in which his internal conflict was shown. His scenes in the rain (also one of the best looking scenes in ketsui overall), his conversation with Gomamon,the feeling that he got closer and closer to the edge as the movie went on... I found it all very well executed.
It all culminated in the powerful conversation with Hikari in which she convinced him to fight with insightful argument "Deep down you too desire to bathe in the blood of your enemies and see the life fade from their eyes as you rip out their hearts!"(I might be misremembering that...)

And then... the big showdown against Imperialdramon featuring Vikemon and Rosemon did not disappoint. Of course it began one sided, gomamon just being smacked around reminded me of the great scene in X-evolution where DORUmon and Tokomon "fight" Omegamon. The Evolutions looked great and especially Vikemon was as awesome in action as I expected making great use of his long range "Mjölnir" morning stars , facing Imperialdramon fighter mode on even footing and matching him blow for blow. Rosemon also showed some powerful energy blasts (and in contrast to savers actually left her clothes on during "forbidden temptation"). Leomon also did his part (even if it just meant making Imperialdramon lose focus) and the fight was finished gloriously with "arctic blizzard" showing that even if he is above the "average" ultimate level even Imperialdramon fighter mode simply can't hold the Advantages when a fight is two (or more) against one and no one is likely to survive being cooled down to absolute zero especially when they're shattered with a morning star afterwards.

At this point maybe a few words about the animations: For the most part I got the impression that it looked better than in Saikai. The action scenes still had a bit of a jerky feel to them but this time the pauses during motion were mostly used when it was actually stylistically appropriate. They were some lazy shots most notably the "dance" scenes of Mimi and Meiko. I know dancing is quite challenging to animate with the fluid and rhythmic motions, but... that were still way too much panning shots over still images. Anyway back to the last part of the movie...

The "secret" to Ultimate evolution was somewhat uninspiring. "Face the darkness and go beyond" it's pretty much vague enough to make me ask myself why it didn't just happen sooner. Those character have faced a lot of "darkness". Didn't Taichi face and conquer the darkness of fear of his own death in Nanomon's pyramid? Why didn't Greymon evolve straight to WarGreymon after that? the same could be said for Joe's activation of his crest. And Mimi... sure she was shaken up by the events but I wouldn't call the temporary loss of motivation actual "darkness". (but then again, Palmon already evolved to Rosemon once in the audio drama so maybe it is easier for her). And it's not like Mimi have conquered all their problems and reached a Buddha state of pure enlightenment untainted by earthly temptations and desires... so basically it seems like the requirements for achieving Ultimate evolutions are weirdly enough easier to achieve and less specific than those for reaching the perfect level.

My thoughts on the Kaiser: He's a fake. He can appear in and out of thin air, dissolves into data I don't really see a reason to believe that he is human at all. A program, a decoy maybe some physical hologram as you could argue that in the last scene he was indeed projected by Hackmon (there is really no reason for his eyes to glow that unnaturally if he was just watching and seeing how hackmon can travel between dimensions at will it's not hard to believe that it was also his doing that the other Digimon were locked out the distortion). Anyway I hope that the Kaiser is the last influence of 02 we'll see in tri., and no I would not be surprised if they are more in the future, just disappointed.

Maicoomon was one of the big mysteries throughout the episode. We knew, and it was brought up at the beginning that Maicoomon is an adult level. Yet it never displayed the kind of power or maturity Tailmon. If we compare Tailmons introductiory episode in adventure or the fight in the first part of tri which showed that even with its small body Tailmon could floor other adult level Digimon, even infected ones, with a single (neko) punch, with Maicoomon's rather pathetic attempts to fight Orgemon only to be swatted aside, it didn't really seem stronger than your average child. The reveal at the end could mean that her smaller form was just suppressing most of her power.
Speaking of the last revelations... I don't think I trust Himekawa. it was only one frame but she actually smiled when she saw Maicoomon's transformation and not only that she seemed to know exactly that the infection was Maicoomon's fault even though the rest of her agency is still only capable of developing some vague predictions like "they are searching for something" so she definitely keeps something to herself. could she be a villain? I think it's possible. her little speech about growing up shows some disillusionment which in Shounen anime tends to be a quick way to the dark side. Of course it's possible that Maicoomon being the cause of the infection was just her personal theory that she didn't have any proof for until she saw the transformation herself and smiled because her predictions came true. But even in this case to smile in this situation (and to just nonchalantly walking away after it leaving the kids to deal with it by themselves) shows a degree of ruthlessness that makes me wary even if her intentions are benevolent.

All in all... a better movie than Saikai but not by that much. I'd give it... a 7.4 out of 10

MarcFBR
03-11-2016, 04:12 PM
However on the Digimon side it is weird that without their partners the Digimon seem to act like small children. Unless the Chosen children who have grown up, none of their Digimon partners seem to have matured all that much, which seems strange, as if they had no life during the six years they spent in the digital world. And wasn't the scene of Shellmon's return in Adventure episode 41 demonstrating that the Digimon had grown, even if just in strength, from the beginning of their journey? It seems weird to assume that nothing of the sort happened during the years before tri. which leaves us only with some very depressing implications of the Digimon either being completely dependent on their partners for any development, or that their minds' capacity is literally restricted depending on which level their at leading them to be children forever as long as their in their child forms... both of these options would make Digimon, at least in the adventure universe rather tragic creatures, confined in a fixed state and unable to broaden their horizons unless they evolve. Or maybe I just need to lower my expectations when it comes to the portrayal of Digimon characters in Adventure...

You're forgetting a few things...


The Digimon are largely being kept cooped up. They're effectively going stir crazy.

Not to mention that they came back in the midst of most of the kids going through a life/emotional changing time in their lives, so they aren't spending all their time with them.

And of course, elements like, them knowing they are cooped up in an office while everyone else is off having fun.

You effectively just have them snapping from it.

We, to a degree, see it less with Gomamon (and Tentomon) because they have actual stuff to do (or on their minds) at times other than 'hanging around'


Put those kind of pressures on 'people' and you'll be shocked how immature people can act.

TMS
03-11-2016, 04:25 PM
Finally got around to watching it, and I loved it. I think it was quite a bit better than "Reunion." If nothing else it was just so nice and refreshing to see the story not revolving around Taichi for once. We got to see Chosen Children interact that normally don't, as well. The character-building scenes and the fights were great, and I liked all the little references to stuff in the past. The joke about Shimane was pretty funny, and we finally got to see what Jou's parents look like. We didn't get to see his girlfriend, but that one text about studying could have been from her.

Just good stuff all around. Sucks that I have to wait another four months for the continuation. There were a few oddities, as people have pointed out, but hopefully they'll be cleared up in future. I thought Takeru's reaction to seeing Ken was kind of funny. "Ugh, this guy again." And though I probably wasn't supposed to, I laughed out loud when Leomon got shredded. Had to see that coming. About Maki's smile when Maicoomon flipped out, I wonder if it might have been because she'd had a theory about Maicoomon being behind the virus, and was glad to see it confirmed. (I see Theigno also came up with that idea.) Finally, I see nothing wrong with the evolution sequences.

flintlock
03-11-2016, 04:31 PM
Holy shiet, if you guys didn't point out about Himekawa possibly being evil, I wouldn't have caught on that myself lmao #dumb

But after reading your comments, it's all starting to fall in place and I'm kinda mindblown by this atm lol!

That's why she sent the naughty Mimi shot to Koushiro, to get him out of the office and have Meicoomon alone (well yes with other Digimon, but no humans) so Kaiser could get her! And then when that plan backfired when the Digimon ditched the office, she takes Meicoomon out (notice the creepy hands reaching out for poor Mei-chan during this particular scene) and leaves her alone so Kaiser could make his move. And the smirk at the end when Meicoomon kills Leomon! Evil confirmed!


Oh I just realized we all might be missing an important piece of foreshadowing. Koushiro had the theory that the government would turn against the Chosen Children and destroy their Digimon, because he realized that the infected Digimon were targeting one of the Chosen Children or the Digimon and he realized the goverment must know this. That's why all the Digimon were in his server during the festival and why he was there. Himekawa is the one who got him away from that. The EMP bullets (or whatever they actually were) could also come into play. They do have an actual way to destroy Digimon. So Himekawa may not be evil, but it was all a ploy to get Meicoomon out of there for the greater good. It's just confusing because in some scenes she looked legitimately surprised, like when she saw Ken. So it means more than one person has a secret agenda. And of course we don't know a lot either.


My thoughts on the Kaiser: He's a fake. He can appear in and out of thin air, dissolves into data I don't really see a reason to believe that he is human at all. A program, a decoy maybe some physical hologram as you could argue that in the last scene he was indeedprojected by Hackmon (there is really no reason for his eyes to glow that unnaturally if he was just watching and seeing how hackmon can travel between dimensions at will it's not hard to believe that it was also his doing that the other Digimon were locked out the distortion). Anyway I hope that the Kaiser is the last influence of 02 we'll see in tri., and no I would not be surprised if they are more in the future, just disappointed.

I had the same thought but I didn't connect it to Hackmon, but it makes a lot of sense. Alphamon and Hackmon are both part of the Royal Knights, so maybe they were actually working together? I want to see more 02 though...



And then there is Joe. I have surprisingly little to say about him; his conflicting feelings were obvious from the start and he didn't really change his mind until the very end. But the great thing was just the pure intensity in which his internal conflict was shown. His scenes in the rain (also one of the best looking scenes in ketsui overall), his conversation with Gomamon,the feeling that he got closer and closer to the edge as the movie went on... I found it all very well executed.

I agree so much. I forgot to add in my initial post that I think Jou's voice actor did an execellent job at portraying emotion. The line, "Let's go Gomamon" is what made me so excited when the initial trailers were released.

MagnaAngemonn
03-11-2016, 04:39 PM
Is it an unpopular opinion to say this was better than Saikai?

gamertamer
03-11-2016, 05:19 PM
Finally got home from work and was able to watch it.

I'll say it now, if you haven't yet watched the movie then...

SPOILERS!

I'm very two ways about it, although I was about the first movie as well.
I must say, I personally enjoyed the slice of life stuff. It was enjoyable to see everyone in their day to day lives and interacting with each other. It gave us a chance to see how the digidestined have both changed and stayed the same over the years. The interaction between the digimon was also a nice touch.

With regards to plot, the concept is nice. With this being a movie focused on Joe and Mimi, the latter of which is one of my favourite characters of the entire digimon franchise. Up to a point it was done very well, with Mimi charging forward to fight Ogremon showing a massive amount of character development from her time in adventure. I feel this because, while Mimi is no coward, I personally would have thought her to not want to fight because of it being Ogremon, on the other hand however, she did it to shine a positive light on the digimon, even if it did end up doing more harm than good, the intention was there.
Joe's and Gomamon's portion was nice and very typical of their relationship. Not that this has happened before, but with Joe being so unable to share his feelings and Gomamon always trying to do his best for Joe it certainly hit me with a tonne of nostalgia.
This was all great as I said, up to a point. A point that to me should have been a pinnacle moment that would go down in Digimon history, but nope. The mega evolution's seemed to be thrown in as though it was simply an everyday thing. While it is acknowledged that these are new evolutions, it didn't feel that way. It felt rushed and while the new forms look incredible and the animations during the fight seen were as good as I could have hoped, it just didn't feel right.
Regarding the crests, their traits did have an obvious input when it came to their evolution. For this post, i'll be referring to the crests by their original japanese traits. First of all we have Joe and his crest of sincerity. He was able to accept who he was as a member of the digidestined and put his own troubles behind him so that he could help his friend and was able to speak honestly about his feelings and accept them. Mimi's crest has always been a little harder to decipher, with many perception on what purity means in this case. Given her previous evolution's I would say the crest leans more towards Mimi's own personal purity and not the can do no wrong view. Mimi was able to accept what had to be done and she stuck to her own way of doing things despite what anyone else though. This was a theme that was apparent through out the movie and both traits are similar in this regard.
It is still unclear as to weather the digidestined have their crests or not, I would assume that while the digidestined clearly have access to the crests power, they aren't with them in any physical form.

Regarding Ken's appearance, it again felt rushed. Yes we had shots of him here and their and that certainly built the viewing tension, but when his big reveal Ken it felt more like "oh, it's Ken..." there seemed to be no questioning as to why he was dressed again as the Digimon Kaiser. Apart from one thing Takeru says, "Him again... why?" and Hikari's reaction. suiting given that of all the originals, it was these two that had the most significant interaction with Ken during his time as the Kaiser. Furthermore there is still nothing that mentions the other three digidestined from 02. We know that they exist thanks to the first movie and Ken's appearance but the fact that they're missing doesn't seem to phase anyone. This is made even worse by the appearance of the Kaiser and Imperialdramon.

Onto Leomon. Well his reappearance was less exciting than I would have imagined, given that he wasn't seen at all in 02. I think however that we can assume he was reunited with the digidestined sometime between the end of 02 and the closing of the digital gate one year prior to the start of Tri which was mentioned by Koushiro in the first movie. His death was, unsuprising to say the least and this was obviously done by the writers to stick with tradition. One thing I only readers when reading through the crunchyroll comments however is that Leomon died in the realworld and therefore, just like Wizardmon, has no chance of returning as a digi-egg. Let that sink in for a minute.

All in all, i'd give this movie a low 7 out of 10. It wins points for being true to the adventure story, with the crest's traits, character development and Leomon's and Ogremon;s return. Aswell as a fun little conversation between Yamato and Taichi mentioning in loose terms, how Yamato struggled to find a computer in his Grandma's home town during the fight against Diaboromon. It loses point however for being rushed in places, some defining moments were compressed down to a point where they weren't really defining at all.

Apologies for the long post but I hope you all find it an interesting read.

mancityfan
03-11-2016, 05:28 PM
Just watched the Digimon Tri.

first, i loved that finally we got some Rosemon x Vikemon action in here. but sadly we have to wait until the last part to see them.
So, Leomon died again. well, i knew it will happen but i'm expecting he doesn't die this time. i love the build up between Joe and Gomamon that resulted Gomamon evolved to Vikemon.

SB-129
03-11-2016, 06:02 PM
The way it ended gets me super hyped for the next film which no doubt is what the writers were aiming to do. I felt the build up until something major occurred; this being the Imperialdramon fight, took way too long. The in between stuff that was made to progress the story until that omg moment seemed to me at least to not only be a little dull but a waste of effort. I was really hoping after the slowish start to the first film that the second would speed up the intensity. Considering the way it finished though, I imagine the larger fights or conflicts are yet to come. Just look how the regular seasons started out with everything introductory or easy going before the big battles. I must also point out the shyness of Meiko to be too repetitive, like a bad joke told over and over. I don't see the point in emphasizing she's a nervous person needs to be expressed so much.

So many unanswered things though is what drives me nuts. Hackmon appeared behind the scenes once more although his intentions remain unclear. The theory that was e-mailed to Izzy must have a broader meaning as well. But the most annoying thing to me is what in the world happened to the 02 cast? Everyone in this film recognized Ken in his emperor outfit although none made mention of where he or the others have been this whole time. We can only assume in the first film, when they fell down, they were in the digital world. Yet when the group was sitting under the bridge later on, Izzy mentioned the gates to the digital world had been closed for about a year. A year? So the 02 cast has been stuck there for a period consisting of at least 365 or more days and no one seems to care about them anymore?

Something is definitely going on that none of us can figure out. Very much like that impossible challenge to who shot Mr. burns in The Simpsons. I'm confident by the end of part six we will get a proper, satisfying conclusion to everything unexplained thus far although the waiting is the hardest part. Also hoping some plot holes from the past can be brought up; the original DigiDestined seen before the fight against Apocalymon, the dark ocean or how Matt's dad knew who Gabumon was for instance. We're also left to wonder for part three how Patamon saying farewell to T.K. will come into effect. And on a final note; Leomon dead. Again. Why? And considering he died in the real world like Wizardmon or Pumpkinmon and Gotsumon did, he won't be coming back ever.

TMS
03-11-2016, 06:10 PM
or how Matt's dad knew who Gabumon was

He didn't. That was a dub mistake.

MarcFBR
03-11-2016, 06:10 PM
The next time someone mentions watching it via a bootleg, I will remove your entire post instead of just the bootleg mention.

No apology is needed as long as you don't do it again.

Unknown Neo
03-11-2016, 06:31 PM
It took a while for me to but I waited until 6/I thought it was tomorrow. ...And I kept getting interrupted just like last time. Some people didn't see me tweet to please not mention me for 2 hours. Oh well. Thoughts.

Yay! More Digimon Tri. I knew that wait wasn't too long.

Tri EP 5? Hot Springs Hi-jinx with a bit of Drama. Poor Joe. He got left behind. Meiko's kind of cute. But I like Megane.

Tri EP 6? A character study of Mimi and Joe. They're the same but now they have to learn how to be better. Plus Leomon & Ogremon.

Tri EP 7? The School Festival! A very Japanese thing. Cute times with Mimi & MeiMei, Meicomon tricks Leomon, & Izzy is easy to read.

Tri EP 8? Evil Ken?/Imperialdramon kidnap Meicomon (the cutest) so Leomon, Palmon, Gomamon go to save her. Kari gets Joe's problem solved so now we get Vikemon and Rosemon. Yeah. Finally. That worked but what does Huckmon has to do with it? Then thanks to Leomon's infection acting up during the fight, Meicomon freaks out, gives us our Leomon Death Quota, monsters out, and disappears into the Digital World.

8 had a lot more then the other episodes.

So the next one is in September?

breaker335
03-11-2016, 07:09 PM
Alright, before I start, HOLY SHIT! With that out of the way, I really liked.

First off, Ketsui felt more like a traditional Digimon series with some Slice of Life mixed in. There were a lot more comedic moments and the overall mood was a lot more uplifting as Sakai, even though it was a reunion, had a pretty depressing feeling. Maybe that's just me, but that's how I felt about it.

Now the plot, focusing on Mimi and Joe of course like the posters implied and I have to say it was handled really nicely, much better then Tai's issues in Sakai. Though, I personally feel Joe's development was overall better than Mimi's. Not to say that hers was bad, just that it gave an empty feeling after it was resolved. She's too headstrong, get's called out for it, does a bit of soul searching and somehow good again. Just felt underdeveloped to me. Joe's on the other hand, got a lot in the development department. He doesn't fight, not because he doesn't want to, but because what's the point? He may have been chosen, but doesn't mean he has to follow it. But that doesn't change the fact that Gomamon was chosen as his partner and he doesn't deny that he's his best friend would do anything to protect him and that he'll always be there for him.

Speaking of which, I came up with a theory a while back about the Digidestined not representing their crests and from what shown in Ketsui I kind of think it's true. I know the original sub has different names for Joe's and Mimi's crest, but I think the ones the dubs used fit more. Joe hasn't been reliable at all until this point. It's not until Kari says "You're friends about to fucking die and you're gonna let it happen?" (Not exactly those words but you know what I'm mean ^^) At point, Joe learns to shape up and get's his ass into the action. Mimi, although outspoken, wasn't being sincere at all to those around her.

On to the animation, specifically the evolutions. They were honestly lackluster... And it seems I'm not the only one who feels this way. It's nice that we got to see the perfect levels, and all but the Ultimates leave a lot to be desired.

Leomon dying, no surprise there.

Also, can I say I fucking called it when I said Meicoomon being the source of the problem. I mean I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I like to think I am. :'D

Paruseruru mafubu
03-11-2016, 08:16 PM
Defiantly leaves you wanting more. The character development is great, the two new Ultimate evolutions and fight with Imperial Dramon as well. Can't wait for the next part.

Rexanimon
03-11-2016, 08:29 PM
I am actually pretty disappointed with this one. And angry. Actually very angry. Here's my issues:

I just can't get used to the animation style, and the way they treated the digivolve sequences is pathetic. The new Rookie to Champion is cool but other than that they leave MUCH to be desired (although I did like how they attacked as each level before going to the other, although as someone else pointed out it wasn't quite as "fluid" as Agumon and Gabumon in Reunion).

So many things leave SO MANY questions. I feel like that's all tri has been since the very first day we found out it was going to exist. Just Toei constantly dragging things out and making us question "why is that like this?" Example, Why in the Hell did they kill Leomon AGAIN?! And what was with them whiping out Imperialdramon without even blinking, and also how could two newly evolved Megas defeat a digimon that has been established as one of the most powerful in the Adventure universe? I'm just shocked that they destroyed him and didn't think twice or reflect at all on it.

Certain things I get why they drag it out. The surprise ending with Meicoomon for example. I think that worked and made sense to leave as a cliffhanger. But some of this stuff just gets way too frustrating to have to wait for answers. And honestly out of the questions I had going in to this only a couple were answered (Will they recognize Ogremon or Ken? Will they acknowledge that this is the first time they're seeing Leomon alive again? Etc).

Sorry to go on kind of a tyrade but I was just very disappointed. I thought we'd get some new info about the status of the 02 kids, and why noone seems worried about them, but we are still completely in the dark about so many things.

On a positive note, I like how they eluded to Mimi and Joe's crest traits and how they have inner struggles with trying to uphold them. They didn't outright say that "these are issues that go against sincerity and reliability" but they didn't have to; I like that you didn't need it spelled out to you to understand the focus of their character arcs. Joe and Gomamon's scenes were moving. Gotta love them two. Between that and the obvious allusion to Mimi and Joe's crests those were my two favorite elements of the movie.

Also even though I'm not crazy about the fight or evolution scenes I am excited that Vikemon and Rosemon can be included in the canon now. It's pretty cool that they had another prophecy, hopefully they do that for all of the Megas, I like the idea of them exploring that concept.

Overall my big issue was that we have major unanswered questions on top of new ones, and although the characters definitely went through some development, the movie as a whole felt sort of like filler to me. I guess I feel that if we have to wait months to see these, they should give us something to make it worth the wait. And seeing Vikemon and Rosemon barely fight and wipe out Imperialdramon was not the way to do that in my opinion.

Just thought of this, wishful thinking, but maybe Evil/Corrupt Meicoomon absorbed Leomon and once they defeat/purify Meicoomon we will get him back. That would be a nice change of pace. Instead of him dying yet again. Which absolutely kills me. It's something that Digimon fans are constantly complaining about and yet they do it again. C'mon Toei.

breaker335
03-11-2016, 08:50 PM
And what was with them whiping out Imperialdramon without even blinking, and also how could two newly evolved Megas defeat a digimon that has been established as one of the most powerful in the Adventure universe? I'm just shocked that they destroyed him and didn't think twice or reflect at all on it.This is a running theme in digimon. New evolution = GG opponent. Imperialdramon sure is powerful but we've never really seen him take on 2 Megas + plus a champion. And I doubt that's the last we'll see of him. Judging the way Ken handed over Meicoomon, seemed like a test.



Just thought of this, wishful thinking, but maybe Evil/Corrupt Meicoomon absorbed Leomon and once they defeat/purify Meicoomon we will get him back. That would be a nice change of pace. Instead of him dying yet again. Which absolutely kills me. It's something that Digimon fans are constantly complaining about and yet they do it again. C'mon Toei.Never really see fans complain about it, rather think of it more as a running gag.

DaemonCorps
03-11-2016, 11:18 PM
Okay, all caught up in the thread and ready to share some thoughts!

The first episode... very much "just was." I feel like it went on for a bit longer than it had to, and started off rather clumsily (they could have easily skipped to them already at the place and have Meiko say something like "thanks again for letting me come with") all for the sake of it running for a standard anime episode's length. Sure there were a handful of things like learning of Meicoomon being an adult level, but the slice-of-life-iness just didn't feel nearly as well balanced as it did in the following episodes.

As a whole, I really like how they handled all the digimon. With Koushirou essentially inventing the Digimon equivalent of Dropbox, I was afraid it would be used as a cheap way to write away the digimon when they weren't necessary to particular scenes. I mean it *is* used as such, but regardless the digimon have still gotten a good amount of screentime, not only during fights but in the quieter scenes. During "Reunion," the digimon felt more like mascot characters to me--mainly either being cutesy or beating the crap out of other monsters, so it was nice to see them interact as if they were actual people expressing concerns about their place in the world and the well-being of their human counterparts that have developed a slew of new problems that come with their age--Jou especially.

Jou and Mimi's character arcs complimented each other nicely (unsurprising since the scenes with just them worked well in the original Adventure series, too). Seeing Gomamon's increasing realization that he may not be a good fit for Jou's life at the moment felt crushingly real, so to see Jou step it up come the final act was a really great "stand up and cheer" moment. No real complaints about the evolution not being of the Warp variety, or the minimum explanation of the prophecy and how it links to Gomamon and Palmon reaching their new forms. Tri is clearly more focused on other plot points and actively feels like it doesn't want to think too much about the particulars of digimon evolution, which I don't mind personally. They could have easily strung together all three evolution animations together, but they did pause for a sec to have the digimon attack while in that form, which actually helped better pace out the final fight (odd considering the evolution bits usually tend to put an awkward halt to the fight's momentum).

Togemon's fight with Ogremon and later Imperialdramon was great. Dunno why it's Togemon in particular, but they gave her a nice bit of bounce to her movements as she'd jump through the air (not to be confused with Rosemon's Gainax bounce in the final fight :p)--one of the handful of legitimately nice animation moments in Tri, the next being the nice silhouetted bit during Leomon's (very, very expected) death.

Speaking of Leomon, his introduction seemed incredibly awkward. Yes, they gave him the opening sequence in fighting Ogremon among all the baby digimon (would have been a perfect means to segue into talking about the details about reincarnation or rebirth or however digimon come back from death), but to then follow it up with Taichi taking him into Koushirou's office space was jarring and came with little explanation. Though I will say his supporting role during the Imperialdramon fight was top-notch.

Having the final showdown take place at the school festival was unsurprising, but well executed in that teacher-senpai and his ex (btw, good fleshing out of both these characters!) were so concerned about collateral damage and making sure future conflicts were as isolated as possible... only to have the next digital rift thingie open up right on the festival's grounds--very much the opposite of isolated. Then again I should probably take that back since the fight *was* isolated in the small dimension, almost effortlessly preventing all that fear about bystanders getting hurt that "Reunion" kinda beat into the ground.


However on the Digimon side it is weird that without their partners the Digimon seem to act like small children. Unless the Chosen children who have grown up, none of their Digimon partners seem to have matured all that much, which seems strange, as if they had no life during the six years they spent in the digital world.
Was thinking about this while I was watching these episodes, too. It's kinda similar to the toys in Toy Story 3 in that their time just seems to have stopped if only for the sake of it not being so jarring to the audience (which in turn makes it that much more jarring).


I kinda thought that the 02 Chosen Children were dead and currently the 01 kids were trapped in an alternate reality made by the dark ocean.
With the way the main cast seemingly has forgotten about the 02 cast, I'd think that would be the case. But then they all seem to remember Ken, even referring to him by name, so iunno... so many inconsistencies got me open to too many possibilities. Like, they seem to be more surprised it's Ken and less so that he's *back* in full-on Kaiser gear. Maybe it *is* some kind of alternate dimension where he never got "un-Kaisered" and the rest of the 02 cast got killed off by him...


Does anyone have screenshots of Meicoomon's "True Form" and the new Digivice?

Because I would like to look at them side by side in comparison with images of Apocalymon, Mephismon and Gulfmon just to see if there are other "hints" to such a tie besides the Double Helix thing.
Woah, I'm not too big on villain resurrection types of stories, but it would be interesting if it were done through the use of a current protagonist (well, *protagonist's digimon)


So what was your favourite piece of fan service and why was it Taichi in the sauna?
You mean "why was it Taichi in the locker room with Agumon stuffed in his locker." The amount of manservice in Tri so far is ridiculous but at the same time I don't know how I'd feel if they did it for the girl cast. Mentioned it in that thread with the promo images of the girl cast, but we've grown up alongside the cast, so to see them put into fanservice-y situations just feels awkward and wrong. Though I guess it's a different ballgame if it's done for the guys. Seriously, maximum sauna scenes for them *and* the ending sequence? Tri's just going and bypassing all the gender tropes!

Spongebond
03-11-2016, 11:31 PM
I also thought it was better than Saikai. Mainly because I felt that there were no more 'introductions needed' and the plot itself was FAR more interesting.

Velocifaptor
03-11-2016, 11:44 PM
I wait for the day we See the girlfriend of Joe :D
Well, we at least see Jyou receiving a text from her, and texting her back. Not gonna say how dark this chapter was. It was a lot more than I had bargained for, and most of the comments on this thread already echo my sentiments. Also, about Maki, I think there is something going on with her, but Daigo is unaware of it. I've come to like Daigo through the course of these 2 OVAs. I just hope we get to see more of him. Also, Leomon's death :'(

Grimmon
03-12-2016, 12:04 AM
This was all so underwhelming...

Once again the big revelation at the end (the revelation being the fact that Meiko was a digidestined in Part 1, the fact that Meicoomon was the one being hunted down in Part 2) was no revelation at all, ending part 2 at a low, just like it was with Part 1.

Once again, the key element of each part (Omnimon appearing in Part 1, Vikemon and Rosemon in Part 2 - and the characters resolution that went hand in hand with each of them) was rushed as if these were not elements that deserve more screen time.

The evolution sequences were OK but the way they kind of bled together instead of being striking and unique was a massive disservice, even if I liked the new interpretation of warp evolution being nothing more than all the kinds of evolutions in succession.

Shouting out attacks almost every single time before executing them is back and as bad/immature/meaningless as ever. I thought we were past this?

Leomon was only introduced to be sacrificed. He was the goggles of this part, as in pointless, hardly useful as a plot device, and a try-hard attempt at triggering nostalgia instead of actually being meaningful and useful in the series. Before his character was even introduced, he was killed, and all we know about him is that he tried to protect Orgemon and really fell for Meicoomon's cuteness. How are we supposed to connect and feel anything about his loss? The way the part of his arrival to the real world and meet up with the government team was brushed off as if it would be of no importance to illustrate how said team operates when the children are not around or how Leomon actually interacts with other characters outside of Koushiro's office is baffling at best, as was Leomon's inexplicable confidence with being in a new world altogether.

The animation didn't look as great as in part 1, with some considerable (in my eyes) inconsistencies in the depiction of all sorts of characters in various places of the film/episodes, and with the animation overall lacking the wonderful sharp edge that made Part 1 look like such a vast improvement over previous seasons.

The battle at the end was remarkably insubstantial, and while not downright bad on its own, when compared to the battles of Part 1 which were probably the best in the franchise and much more numerous, it simply failed to prove its worth to me. It was merely cosmetic. The fact that there was no real world impact of the battle may be in large responsible for how I feel about it, but it all looked so flashy. Rookies maneuvering away from Imperialdramon's blasts? Really? Even in the original Digimon Adventure series, a mild slap from a mega would've killed a rookie.

This part was also far less self contained than Part 1, being much more of a straight-up continuation from Part 1 and a continuation into Part 3 than giving the sense of a stand alone film, which makes it seem even less sensible that they chose the movies format over the series format since it actually only works as a series so far. On the plus side, everything moved along pretty smoothly and consistently in this part, which is a vast improvement over the ebbs and flows of the progression in Part 1.

The best things about this part for me, were a. the character progression for the main cast and the focus on the characters of the digimon partners (and thank God this was the main focus), and b. the new 'form' of meicoomon which almost justifies the creature's existence, if it turns out to be its true/proper form. There were, of course, a lot of really great details throughout the film (my favorite probably being the rose blooming on Rosemon's chest every time she attacked with Forbidden Temptation), but they were outweighed by all the things that seemed off for me.

I eagerly await for part 3 to arrive, not because any anticipation was built with part 2 (there was not), but because I sincerely need something new from this film series soon to captivate by interest again. By the end of part 2, I am not even half as excited as I was by the end of part 1...

All that being said, I have only watched once, so I'd like to reserve my right to change my mind in the future.

Azrael Macool
03-12-2016, 12:49 AM
Okay, I thought this was going to be on Hulu as well as Crunchyroll, but I see it's out on Crunchyroll but not Hulu. Did... did something happen? I know it's only been out for a bit, and I'm already going nuts over here. I don't wanna sign up for Crunchyroll, I just don't watch enough subbed anime to justify the expense, and the only person I know with a Crunchyroll account is asleep. Is it on any other streaming formats? Legally, I mean, though preferably something with a free trial.

MarcFBR
03-12-2016, 12:53 AM
Okay, I thought this was going to be on Hulu as well as Crunchyroll, but I see it's out on Crunchyroll but not Hulu. Did... did something happen? I know it's only been out for a bit, and I'm already going nuts over here. I don't wanna sign up for Crunchyroll, I just don't watch enough subbed anime to justify the expense, and the only person I know with a Crunchyroll account is asleep. Is it on any other streaming formats? Legally, I mean, though preferably something with a free trial.

Part 1 wasn't on Hulu for a month (Effectively when all of it was also free on Crunchyroll.)

You'd need to subscribe to CR, or find someone you know who subscribes who has a spare guest pass.

gamertamer
03-12-2016, 01:24 AM
Just another thing to add that has somewhat irked me, when Leomon dies, the one with the most dramatic reaction is Hikari, but unless it happened off screen during or post 02, they never actually met. In adventure the last we saw of Leomon before the dark masters ark was when the children left file island. The only ones to actually meet him during the dark masters ark are Mimi and Joe if i'm not mistaken. It would be more fitting i think, for Mimi or Sora or even one of the guys to have this reaction given their time spent with Leomon and his sudden and shocking death, although I lose shocking from their perspective and not ours. While yes Hikari does make quick and easy attachements towards digimon, I do feel this reaction would have been better placed with someone else.

MasterOfTartarus
03-12-2016, 01:44 AM
watched the movie and read through this thread, mostly everything has been said.
anyway
the character development and the funny stuff was great, the bathouse was a bit long and the battle in the end with all the important stuff was rushed.
overall pretty awesome, though the ending really is unsettling, i really hope that in the next movie they start out with a discussion about the Kaiser and the other 02 kids.

Websurfer145
03-12-2016, 01:59 AM
So that was about... 80 minutes, with about 60 minutes of slice of life? And seemed like half of that is Mei being generic awkward glasses girl. The Jou and Mimi moments were good, them sympathizing with each other. More discussion of that is probably better left to the shipping thread, but liked that scene in the rain.

My connection has problems with Crunchyroll streaming sometimes, though it could just be first day traffic too. I quickly lose interest to rewatch it again, especially with how boring much of the story is, and bad connection makes it more of a pain to skip over the boring parts. Yeah, Taichi still has doubts, Leomon dies (to no one's surprise), etc..

Mainly I'm annoyed about Imperialdramon being reduced to a miniboss (both forms, and even Giga Crusher, even if at least Leomon contributed to the fight a bit). Especially since at first it was an Ultimate against two Childs. So they recognize Ken, but no mention of the rest of the 02 kids. I think? Assuming 02 happened at all, Joe's frustration makes sense, hard to tell what's going on since a lot of the time everyone is just standing around staring and gasping when something happens. Maybe the whole fight was staged? Hard to tell if new cat Digimon, that agent lady or what looked like Ken is the villain. And its not even one of the Chosen Children who name Imperialdramon, its one of the adults. :rolleyes:

Some good humor, like the Digimon running off to the festival (they should have used the Guilmon-box strategy :p). Still, after 2 movies, not sure where things are going. Though even in story everyone is confused about what's going on. At least I hope this wraps up the Jou subplot from part 1. It was short, but it was really nice to see Vikemon animated (we already had plenty of Rosemon during Savers). I hope they're done with the slice of life stuff by now, but there aren't much other clues for them yet.

Azrael Macool
03-12-2016, 03:29 AM
Okay, thank G-d, I got someone with a Crunchyroll account to let me watch it.

I really enjoyed it. Honestly, as I've grown into an older man (let's just say, closer to 30 than to 20, which I think generally puts me at the older end of the spectrum of Digimon fans; I have clear memories of the show debuting), I've enjoyed the slice of life stuff more than the battles themselves. Probably the reason I keep going back to Tamers, but haven't really watched Adventure in quite a while (yeah, 02 had a lot of slice of life stuff, and I'll rewatch specific episodes, but... I kind of hate the new kids). I busted up laughing so hard when the girls went into the dude's locker room (especially because Mimi was just like "I'll go in, I don't give a fuck"), and Koshiro's reaction to Mimi's outfit. I really like Mei, though weirdly, she looks and acts a LOT like my girlfriend (same glasses, same hair, also obsessed with a cat. She's also shy in crowds).

As for the unanswered questions, I'm willing to go along for the ride, and hope they come to some conclusion that makes some amount of sense.

Hey, somewhat unrelated, but since I'm on Crunchyroll, I thought they had the subs of the other Digimon series, but it seems like they only have Xros Hunters, unless I missed them somewhere. Netflix and Hulu seem to only have the dubs as well... Are there subs available anywhere legally? It's about time I gave Adventure and 02 a re-watch.

Grimmon
03-12-2016, 04:49 AM
I like how people raised the question about the digimon not feeling like they've matured at all. But I personally do not think it is odd. While these creatures have lived for years, they've lived in the same form (unlike normal living beings that grow and change physically as well), in the same conditions that they always did. I can only theorize that perhaps the conditions for them to actually change their character/behavior/etc would not be there. Perhaps the one aspect that could and probably should have triggered a change in them would be the portals between worlds closing and them losing contact with the kids for years. Their personal growth (or lack of) will really be an interesting subject to tackle at some point. At the same time, I do think Gomamon specifically, did show a more mature side of his in this part, just like Gabumon's interaction with Matt in the first part was relatively different from how they behaved around each other in previous seasons in my opinion.


Looks like they upgraded the evolutions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piF8841yYFs

I liked the former so much more. And by the way, of all the evolution sequences, Ikkakumon also has the most awkward pose, like he's trying to dance ballet.

CloneWarrior
03-12-2016, 05:56 AM
So according to Takeru, they apparently went to the hot spring resort for the benefit of Taichi and Yamato, yet the two didn't spend much time together outside of some passive-aggressive glaring in the sauna and they never spoke to each other. Nobody even tried to get them to talk about their problems.

Seeing as the trip was Mimi's idea (and Mimi was super excited by Taichi and Yamato sharing a ferris wheel car by themselves), what are the chances this trip was just cause Mimi wanted the two naked together?


I liked the former so much more.

Why exactly? It just looks like a slightly unfinished version of part 2's. Like they just forgot to put the textures on that big ring.

AquaVersus
03-12-2016, 06:45 AM
I just wrote up a long post detailing my thoughts on Determination for another board, so I'm pretty much going to copy/paste what I wrote there (I hope that's not against the rules?). A lot of this is echoing others' thoughts, so forgive me for that.

Let's get the negatives out of the way. The resolution felt a bit rushed in so many ways: the resolution to Joe and Mimi's character arcs, the resolution of the fight against Imperialdramon...basically, this movie could've used an extra 20 minutes to flesh things out a bit near the end.

I'm also a bit disappointed that they didn't change the "opening" sequence for episodes 6-8, but these are meant to be seen as complete films anyway, so I get why it didn't happen. The Blu-rays only include the unedited films without the option of watching the episodic versions, so Crunchyroll is likely the only place we'll see these cuts. (That said, I *highly* recommend you guys either buy the Blu-rays or download the unedited film versions of these movies; Reunion worked sooo much better when seen in a complete form, and I suspect the same will be true for Determination.)

But onto the overwhelming positives/disjointed thoughts...

-Joe and Mimi were practically the stars of the film, which was so great to see! I love these two characters so much, and I love that they didn't hold back. Their character arcs made a lot of sense and even though the resolutions could've been drawn out a bit more, it all felt very natural to their characters from Adventure and 02.

-At the same time, they didn't ignore the other characters. Koushiro had some moments, as did Taichi and Yamato. Takeru and Hikari visited the school festival together while Sora...kind of got the short end of the stick in this movie, but we got some scenes from her in Reunion, so I'm sure her time is coming. We also explored Daigo, Himekawa, and the Digimon partners.

-One of the things I didn't like about Reunion is that the Digimon partners aren't really there for almost half of the movie, and then they just show up very unceremoniously. We didn't get to spend a lot of time with them. In Determination, we got to see them interacting with each other, interacting with humans, interacting with Leomon...it all felt very natural and, to be honest, it was kind of adorable.

-Gomamon struck out on his own in an attempt to either "help" Joe, or possibly give him his own space. I love this. I absolutely LOVE that Digimon doesn't treat the partner Digimon as mindless drones who do whatever their humans say.

-I LOVE THE "SLICE OF LIFE" PARTS! This is what I've always wanted: the kids' daily lives, with some Digimon action sprinkled in. The day trip to the onsen/hot spring, for example, was absolutely adorable. The school festival was also great to see, and it really served Mimi's character well.

-I am really warming up to Meiko and Maicoomon. (Meicoomon? But "Maicoomon" makes more sense if it's a Maine coon...) The latter seems to fit in perfectly fine with the other Digimon, while Meiko herself really allowed Mimi to shine. She also interacted a bit with Takeru, which was nice to see.

-I know some people have complaints, but while it wasn't perfect, I overall really liked the animation in this movie. I feel like the character designs were a little bit different and they looked somewhat closer to Uki's designs for Tri (the designs we see in the posters and the promotional art). The evolution sequences were wonderful, particularly Togemon into Lillymon, though I do admit I was just a bit underwhelmed at the Vikemon and Rosemon evolution sequences. At the same time, I remember absolutely *hating* the more elaborate ultimate evolutions/"Mega" Digivolutions. For example, I can't stand seeing Paildramon evolve into Imperialdramon because it looks so cheap, he spends time flying around, and he blows up a castle...it's a bit too elaborate for me. So I guess I somewhat appreciated the minimalism here...but at the same time, I would've liked a bit more fanfare.

-The ending sequence for "Seven" was nice, though I kind of wanted to see the other characters in the remaining episodes. I really think that "Seven" was a perfect choice for this movie.

-ICHIJOUJI KEN!!! When Himekawa said his name, I felt chills. This is the first time a character has mentioned a 02 character by name! I love Adventure *and* Adventure 02, and I really feel like these characters all go together -- which is one reason why, even though I really dislike Diablomon Stikes Back, I appreciate it as a film that really tries to unite the cast. Anyway, KEN! I was hoping for a few more answers, but I do like a slow burn at the same time...

-It's strange that Mimi recognized Ken on sight, and Takeru was like "him again??" but nobody seemed concerned that he was wearing the Kaiser outfit again. This is kind of why I think the film could've used an extra 20 minutes. That said, I'm just happy that they DID recognize him. We've known for a while now that Tri is not retconning 02 out of existence, but it was just really good to have that brief moment.

-When Imperialdramon switched from Dragon Mode to Fighter Mode, we got to see a quick reaction shot of Takeru and Hikari. This makes a lot of sense and it's subtle details like these that make me happy.

-When Himekawa's creepy hands reached out for Maicoomon...I thought it was Ken. Surprise surprise, it's Himekawa! I was left wondering why they made that scene look so creepy. Then she left Maicoomon in that flower garden (which sent up red flags in my mind as I recalled the trailers), which...confused me. She was like, "Wait here and be good." That was SO suspicious. Then, when Ken arrived and Daigo said there was a new distortion behind the school, she acted like she was in a hurry and she regretted leaving Maicoomon alone...so I figured it was all just a red herring. But then at the end...that creepy, knowing smirk of hers...something is TOTALLY up with her.

-BTW, I appreciate Himekawa's commentary on growing up and how it relates to not only this movie, but Adventure as a whole.

-LEOMON. For some reason I was actually thinking he was going to survive this time, but when it finally happened...I just kind of said "OH COME ON" and chuckled a bit. But it was a GREAT twist that it was Maicoomon! Meiko's Digivice transforms...very intriguing. I was thinking Ken would kidnap the little cat monster, but instead he lets him (her?) run back to Meiko...only for him to either turn evil? Or become infected? Or...I don't know, get scared? And s/he runs off into the Digital World or to wherever that distortion leads. That was a very satisfying twist.

-People seem to be upset about the logistics, saying that Gomamon should've been killed in a single hit by Imperialdramon, or that it's weird how two newly evolved ultimates/"Megas" can take on one of the most powerful ultimates/"Megas" in existence...not sure if that's even true about Imperialdramon, but even if it is, so what? Tri obviously cares way more about character development than these minor details that only the most crazed of fans get into. I think that if you're allowing these small details to prevent you from enjoying Determination, then you're probably looking at it wrong. But that's just my opinion and it's probably ill-informed.

-The music continues to pay homage to the score from Adventure, which I truly appreciate.

Overall, I liked it! It felt a bit unceremonious near the end: the fight scene with Imperialdramon could've been a bit longer, and the resolutions could've been wrapped up in a better way. They spent a lot of GOOD time and GOOD scenes developing Joe and Mimi's character arcs, and I feel they deserved just as much time resolving their issues, but it wasn't done poorly at all.

Gonz
03-12-2016, 06:48 AM
I really liked this one, I'm just happy to see all these characters from my childhood again but everybody seems to be complaining about this and that instead of just enjoying it :/

The boys looked really hot during the sauna/locker room scenes, specially Tai, hope they will go to the beach in the next movies… :p. Ikkakumon high five pose at the end of the evolution scene was kinda awkward, but finally we got to see him. Zudomon and Lillymon were great, wish they would have had more screen time before evolving to mega, since I don't think we will be seeing them again…

And of course I loved all Togemon scenes. Meiko is still a random and dispensable character to me, I'd prefer to see more of the other DigiDestined instead, she's annoyingly shy, and I didn't get the whole "fuss" about the uniform Mimi and her wore during the festival, it wasn't outrageous or anything…

CloneWarrior
03-12-2016, 06:53 AM
Not sure where people are getting this "Imperialdramon is one of the strongest Ultimates in the Adventure universe" thing from.

He had to evolve to Imperialdramon the first time to fight a Perfect-level (Triceramon), and then he had to change to Fighter Mode to fight another Perfect (SkullSatamon).

Not exactly a great show of power. Now he's defeated by two Ultimates and that's unreasonable?

AquaVersus
03-12-2016, 07:00 AM
Not sure where people are getting this "Imperialdramon is one of the strongest Ultimates in the Adventure universe" thing from.

He had to evolve to Imperialdramon the first time to fight a Perfect-level (Triceramon), and then he had to change to Fighter Mode to fight another Perfect (SkullSatamon).

Not exactly a great show of power. Now he's defeated by two Ultimates and that's unreasonable?

Yeah, I think people are just attributing Imperialdramon with all of his "power" in their minds because he was the only new ultimate/"Mega" we got to see in 02 (not counting Hurricane Touchdown). I just mentioned it because it seems to be a common complaint, but I likewise don't really think it's true. And even if it were true, I would think that two newly evolved ultimates/Megas would have...I don't know, a lot of fresh or youthful energy? Or strength? A whole lot of "something" to be able to take down an opponent like that.

Kotekuma
03-12-2016, 07:04 AM
My complaints:

I felt there was too much "slice of life" and not enough development. I enjoyed the spa sequence and I enjoyed the school festival stuff but I feel like the movie would've been fine with just one of them. The spa day didn't really show us anything new about the digidestined to warrant the amount of time they spent there. The festival however was used for Mimi's plot- which I liked- and for a location for the action later.

Compared to the first movie- this one really lacks action. The first movie had three good battle scenes. Kuwagamon, three Kuwagamons, and Alphamon. Togemon v Ogremon was good for the plot and well written but the Imperialdramon fight was messy.

When the poster shows Vikemon, Rosemon and Imperialdramon it's really disappointing that they only appear in the last 10 minutes. I was really
waiting for it the entire time and then it felt rushed. It felt strange to me see Mimi and Joe interact with their digimon via a computer too. I wonder how necessary that was for the plot.

The characters didn't reflect on Ken returning to his Digimon Kaiser persona properly.

Besides that, I like where things are going. Kari and Joe's interaction was nice. Have we gotten this pairing before?

Grimmon
03-12-2016, 07:39 AM
I liked the former so much more.

Why exactly? It just looks like a slightly unfinished version of part 2's. Like they just forgot to put the textures on that big ring.

I think the golden ring is much more striking, to the point that it is tacky, whereas in the previous version, the ring was easier on the eye and in line with the more sleek feel that Part 1 had compared to the original series. Additionally, the bit of the sequence after the evolution has occurred seems too blurry and bright in Part 2, compared to how sharp and dark it looked in part 1, and, again, the latter feels like a better fit for the supposedly new aesthetic of the film series in my eyes. The changes for the sequence between Part 1 and Part 2 simply feel like a step backwards from my point of view.

Grimmon
03-12-2016, 07:51 AM
It felt strange to me see Mimi and Joe interact with their digimon via a computer too. I wonder how necessary that was for the plot.

What do you mean? Do you ask why they had to stay back instead of joining in the action? I think because a. having them with the rest of the kids in the real world helped to make the ones left back in the real world feel more connected with the action whereas they'd look really cut off if they all were mere spectators, and b. they had to block access to that intermediate world (shall we call it 'cyber space'?) otherwise Gomamon and Palmon wouldn't have their chance to shine.

Vande
03-12-2016, 08:08 AM
And after seeing this. I did think it started off slow. Although the hunting for the Digimon in the male side of the baths was amusing. I liked Mimi and Jou's character development and I do hope the latter will now be able to accept his chosen status.

Hime...I don't trust her. Is Meicoomon being framed...yes I think so. I suspect Meicoomon is actually similar to the Tailmon and Patamon in a way. Leomon was infected and right now I don't think it was Meicoomon behind it. Yes strange things happened with Meiko's digivice. But I wonder if Meicoomon is the 'vaccine' to the virus that is causing Digimon to be infected. It would make sense for Digimon to be after it for that reason. (Sort of like what happened in one of the Tamers movies with Shiisamon)

I liked the evolutions sequences..but what did it for me was Leomon snuffing it at the end. But damn this leaves me wanting more...and a few months before we get it.

Xadhoom
03-12-2016, 08:17 AM
Not sure where people are getting this "Imperialdramon is one of the strongest Ultimates in the Adventure universe" thing from. He had to evolve to Imperialdramon the first time to fight a Perfect-level (Triceramon) And had no trouble once he did.
, and then he had to change to Fighter Mode to fight another Perfect (SkullSatamon). In order to recover from the trick said Perfect used to neutralize him, not because SkullSatamon and Dragon Mode were too evenly matched, and once that happened, it was a 1HKO.


Not exactly a great show of power. Now he's defeated by two Ultimates and that's unreasonable? Here, I actually agree with you.

flintlock
03-12-2016, 09:40 AM
SkullSatamon was Demon's minion and stronger than a regular SkullSatamon, it was probably ultimate powered. They say so in the episode.

Garmmon
03-12-2016, 09:41 AM
The thread echoes a lot of what i already feel so I'll just throw my animation rant here instead, lol.

I'm wondering if Meicoomon's form at the end is just a corrupted form or is actually Meicoomon's Perfect..I'm not too fond of it as a Perfect design for Meicoomon, because while it might fit better in say Tamers or something where the Digimon have clearer design relations between forms, the Adventure Digimon look very different between forms and I was hoping Meicoomon would stick to that 'theme' for the Adventure Digimon.
And I'm not super fond of the idea in general, which just looks like Meicoomon with longer stuff. Though as a corrupt form it works fine.

Not fond of the art style used for the Digimon as usual, but I don't really like the evolution sequences at all. The gold rings...work, I guess, but they do feel like a lazier way of showing transition between the two forms. I've always been really fond of the Adult level evolution sequences for Tamers (I mean tbh those were definitely some of the best animated evolutions in Digimon), and I was always hoping they'd do something like that again, especially with the higher budget tri supposedly has. It also feels weird that the Adult sequences are in 3D but the Perfect/Ultimate sequences aren't..and I feel the Ultimate sequence was too similar to the previous sequences that they didn't give the impact I hoped they'd give. Even a slightly different background might've been nice. And I'm not gonna lie, Ikkakumon's pose was pretty awkward and bad.

There were some awkward stills in the movie like in part 1; one that comes to mind was the scene where Jou found Gomamon at the festival. He was panting just the shot before, but the shot directly after was just a completely still shot of him for 3-ish seconds and that really broke the flow of the scene. The dancing scenes felt a bit stiff too (not to mention the weird camera movements).

And just like the previous movie, this movie had some cringe-worthy frames too...this was a keyframe drawing that lasted 5 seconds on screen: http://i.imgur.com/K3Vnczd.jpg

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I know it seems like I nitpick a lot about the animation (but which I'm being honest about. some of these blunders I just don't expect to see in a movie-budget film), but otherwise I enjoyed this ep a lot. I always love those crazy slice-of-life Digimon eps and this part had a good serving of that (: Though the conclusion to Jou and Mimi's problems definitely felt too rushed after how well I thought they fleshed it out throughout the movie.

The Kaiser fight definitely has me wondering though. It's unnatural how little they even mention or think about the 02 kids..there's no mention of Imperialdramon possibly being Ken and Daisuke's partners either, naturally you'd think the kids would be reluctant to fight their friends' partners even if they're under attack. I would've thought that there's some memory erasure thing going on, if not for Mimi remembering who Ken is which kinda throws that out..
And the ending just felt kinda off with the lack of reaction towards Leomon's death?? Unless it got cut off and we see the aftermath in the next ep. Which is too far away... o:

Vande
03-12-2016, 09:42 AM
One thing I forgot to mention about tri part 2. Loved the new version of Seven!

RestInPain
03-12-2016, 09:46 AM
I watched all of it. It raised a lot of damn questions and offered an answer to one. We know that Meicoomon is the source of the infection, but what does Hackmon have to do with this? I think he possibly copied Alphamon's, imperialdramon's, and likely made a hologram of Ken's data and used it to manipulate the Chosen into thinking the Digimon emperor was back. For wheat reason? I don't know, maybe he created the virus and used Meicoomon as a vector. But that leaves a question of the whereabouts of the 02 chosen. I know they ain't dead (I think) but they only seem to remember Ken and they never mention Daisuke, Iori, or Miyako. Something is really really fishy here and i'm not talking about Gomamon. And likes always Leomon dies again, I really wasn't surprised.

Unknown Neo
03-12-2016, 10:12 AM
Yeah. I thought that too. That might explain a lot. It's not the real anything. Just used for something. Is Huckmon trying to get them to be stronger for something? No idea. Maybe. But what?

Theigno
03-12-2016, 10:34 AM
The Digimon are largely being kept cooped up. They're effectively going stir crazy.

Not to mention that they came back in the midst of most of the kids going through a life/emotional changing time in their lives, so they aren't spending all their time with them.

That's a good point... might also explain Tailmon's behavior in their scene with Leomon, she did have her normal more mature attitude during the Onsen scene but when they convinced Leomon to get them to the school she was just as hyped as the others.



We noticed in part 1, that during the evo sequences, that the partner Digimon are made up of trinary (I know that isn't the actual name, but it's what I'm going to use) data instead of binary.


In part 2 we get to see a NON-partner Digimon's code though, we see Ogremon's as he becomes infected.

Interesting that it isn't trinary...

Also, when we first see Imperialdramon (aparrently incomplete or in some form of stasis) we can see the red code on his body and in his case it is, again, "trinary".



Anyway I have a few more speculations about Maicoomon... first I don't believe that what we saw in the last scene was a "proper" evolution. Apart from her claws and a few proportional changes it really does look like a variation of the same Digimon instead of an evolution.
Then comes the second part of my observation, Maicoomon's eyes. this is probably something many people have noticed but just to point it out while Maicoomon's "cross" eyes usually look like a + sign, after it changes to it's alternate form the eyes have changed to an X position. We saw that happen before during the scene in the Onsen where Maicoomon gets lost and acts unnerved, her eyes suddenly change into change into the X position and she freezes up until Meiko arrives and hugs her.
When Maicoomon glows red during alphamon's arrival in Saikai her eyes are also X shaped for a second. So that probably signifies that her true power is about to awaken. So it's possible that Meiko is an abnormal chosen child in the sense that instead of giving her partner partner energy to evolve she instead keeps her in her harmless form (although if it is the case she doesn't seem aware of it). After all both instances of Maicoomon's eyes transforming (and her final transformation itself) happen during or right after a period of time during which Maicoomon was separated from Meiko and under a some sort of stress.
Anyway the second thing about Maicoomon's eyes is... that there are other digimon with the same kind of cross eyes: The two Sistermon. Not much to go on by itself but what do the Sistermon also have? an Awakaned form that transforms their child-like appearance into a more slender, powerful and ferocious version of themselves. This is pretty much exactly what happens to Maicoomon and just like the Sistermon don't change their level I also think that Maicoomon is also more a case of an "awakening". but maybe both of those things are just coincidences but what makes me believe otherwise is another common factor: Hackmon. The Sistermon are strongly involved in Hackmon's profile and in tri Hackmon seems very interested in Maicoomon. Regardless if the fake kaiser was Hackmon's doing or someone else's, Hackmon was also seen tailing Maicoomon in Saikai just before Alphamon appeared.
But of course with Hackmon thrown into the mix it's also possible that the last scene was an evolution and Maicoomon's line follows the Jesmon line style of extremely similar designs for every level... but that would just be dissapointing.




-When Himekawa's creepy hands reached out for Maicoomon...I thought it was Ken. Surprise surprise, it's Himekawa! I was left wondering why they made that scene look so creepy. Then she left Maicoomon in that flower garden (which sent up red flags in my mind as I recalled the trailers), which...confused me. She was like, "Wait here and be good." That was SO suspicious. Then, when Ken arrived and Daigo said there was a new distortion behind the school, she acted like she was in a hurry and she regretted leaving Maicoomon alone...so I figured it was all just a red herring. But then at the end...that creepy, knowing smirk of hers...something is TOTALLY up with her.
I'm not sure about those scenes... Himekawa grabbing Maicoomon omniously could just have been generic foreshadowing of Maicoomon getting kidnapped for real later. And while it's weird that she didn't bring Maicoomon back to Meiko I don't think it was really a set up for anything. I mean she says "I'll get you a crêpe" and when we next see her she is indeed at a food stand buying 2 crêpes. Since I doubt that she was going to treat Daigo (she seems mostly professional towards him) I think the second crêpe was for Maicoomon and she really just planned to come back to her.
She also seems surprised when she sees the "kaiser" show up during the festival, so I doubt she is actually willingly collaborating with any plan even if the end result possibly helps whatever shady agenda she might have.


-The music continues to pay homage to the score from Adventure, which I truly appreciate.
I think the score is still kind of a weak point of tri... the remixes are okay but most of the music that isn't based on Arisawa's score doesn't really stand out at all...


Not sure where people are getting this "Imperialdramon is one of the strongest Ultimates in the Adventure universe" thing from.

He had to evolve to Imperialdramon the first time to fight a Perfect-level (Triceramon), and then he had to change to Fighter Mode to fight another Perfect (SkullSatamon).

Not exactly a great show of power. Now he's defeated by two Ultimates and that's unreasonable?
Yeah I pretty much called that exact outcome months ago: http://withthewill.net/threads/15564?p=281131#post281131

And yeah we don't really get much of an impression of Imperialdramon FM's power and I don't think he comes close to Omegamon by himself. As pointed out, SkullSatamon was a perfect level, the Positron laser was easily blocked by demon (and he could only be pushed back when the other Digimon joined in with their attacks), and apart from that Imperialdramon only faces two more Ultimates during the Series: BlackWarGreymon which he defeats with the help of WarGreymon and BelialVamdemon that he shoots together with the regular Imperialdramon's positron laser plus they were in a dream dimension where power levels go out of whack anyway.
If we throw the fourth movie in too, his "Giga Death" attack might have made a huge fireball but (just like Omegamon's attacks before it) didn't damage Armagemon at all. And in contrast to Omegamon who kept fighting after taking one of Armagemon's blasts and needed to be hit a second time at point blank rage to be defeated, Fighter mode pretty much gets immobilized after getting hit with a single attack.

None of this is really conclusive, so I'm not saying that he is super weak, rather that none of this feats present much evidence in estimating his power level in the first place. If anything, Ketsui showing that he was able to fight off both Vikemon and Rosemon for as long as he did is the one of the best arguments for labelling him an above averagely powerful Ultimate.


And even if it were true, I would think that two newly evolved ultimates/Megas would have...I don't know, a lot of fresh or youthful energy? Or strength? A whole lot of "something" to be able to take down an opponent like that.
There is some evidence to the contrary, for example Piemon handily defeating both WarGreymon And MetalGarurumon because he was much more experienced. But in the case of Imperialdramon... even if we put all the scenes in which he appears into the anime together, V-mon and Wormmon never really spend much more than a few minutes in fighter mode so that difference is negligible. And of course we don't even know if it was that same Imperialdramon or what his mindset was; If he was just a mindless infected fighting machine experience wouldn't really count for much.



I know it seems like I nitpick a lot about the animation (but which I'm being honest about. some of these blunders I just don't expect to see in a movie-budget film), but otherwise I enjoyed this ep a lot.
I don't think tri. actually has anything close to a budget of an actual theatrical movie... because that's not what those films are. They are premium animations that just happen to include a very limited theatrical run as part of their promotion.

Digi-Goddess92
03-12-2016, 10:44 AM
I thought it was pretty good!, I mean finally we start seeing the other digidestined's digimon in mega form, I found Vikemon's attacks to be badass! and Rosemon was simply beautiful!, and the return of the digimon emperor and an evil Imperialdramon made my heart stop for a moment, but that ending though yikes!

TMS
03-12-2016, 10:52 AM
About Maicoomon's eyes, we also see them become Xs in that ominous shot of her in the serialized opening. The change from plus sign to X also reminds me of the difference in the helmets of Seraphimon and BlackSeraphimon.

4digimon
03-12-2016, 11:18 AM
A lot of you seem to be talking about Ken being a hologram made by Huckmon, but I don't think it's the case. In the opening scene when Leomon and Ogremon were fighting in the Village of Beginnings Ken was also there. It makes no sense for Huckmon to make his supposed hologram appear over there, like what would be the purpose? So that theory is debunked imo, and I think Ken is evil now.

RestInPain
03-12-2016, 11:30 AM
A lot of you seem to be talking about Ken being a hologram made by Huckmon, but I don't think it's the case. In the opening scene when Leomon and Ogremon were fighting in the Village of Beginnings Ken was also there. It makes no sense for Huckmon to make his supposed hologram appear over there, like what would be the purpose? So that theory is debunked imo, and I think Ken is evil now. But how would he have went back to evil? Was he brainwashed? Or did he simply choose to be evil again? If that's the case then that's far deadlier than any Digimon they'd ever have to fight.

Vande
03-12-2016, 11:39 AM
But how would he have went back to evil? Was he brainwashed? Or did he simply choose to be evil again? If that's the case then that's far deadlier than any Digimon they'd ever have to fight.

I don't think he chose. It wouldn't make any sense after everything he went through in 02 after losing Wormmon etc. I suspect brainwashing. Which leads to the question of who?

SakuyamonX
03-12-2016, 11:44 AM
It's interesting reading a lot of people complain about the 'filler' here. As a Sailor Moon fan who was massively burnt by its recent reboot, I am so glad that Tri actually cares about its characters and the unique relationships and focuses on building them. I wish Crystal had this much love and attention paid to the Sailor Guardians and had this level of filler. Plus I think calling it filler (which is the wrong term technically as Tri isn't adapting any kind of source material) kind of misses the point of what the story is trying do, which is to focus on the Chosen Children's transition to adulthood and its various challenges.

I loved 'Determination.' Mimi was always one of my favorite character so this episode had me sold. The episode really hit right in the feels too with Joe (I literally couldn't handle see him crying). My only issue was that the animation took a step down from the last film, but honestly, I'm grateful it's nowhere near the abysmal quality of Dragonball Super or Crystal.

That shock ending was great too - even though I should have saw Leomon dying from miles away - I loved how unsettling it was with Leomon's nightmare face (will forever haunt my dreams, Thanks Toei), seeing the Chosen Children's reaction first before having any clue of what happened, and Hime-chan's smirk*. The 'X' on Mei's Digivice also makes me think some kind of X Program/Antibody shenanigans are happening.

*I thought her just so happening to leave Meicoomon right in front of a digital distortion was super suspicious to begin with...

AquaVersus
03-12-2016, 11:46 AM
There is some evidence to the contrary, for example Piemon handily defeating both WarGreymon And MetalGarurumon because he was much more experienced. But in the case of Imperialdramon... even if we put all the scenes in which he appears into the anime together, V-mon and Wormmon never really spend much more than a few minutes in fighter mode so that difference is negligible. And of course we don't even know if it was that same Imperialdramon or what his mindset was; If he was just a mindless infected fighting machine experience wouldn't really count for much.

I was referring to Vikemon appearing *for the first time* as opposed to WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon in that example, who have already gotten to that level. I don't know. It's easier to just think of it as two Ultimates overpowering one Ultimate.

RestInPain
03-12-2016, 12:05 PM
But how would he have went back to evil? Was he brainwashed? Or did he simply choose to be evil again? If that's the case then that's far deadlier than any Digimon they'd ever have to fight.

I don't think he chose. It wouldn't make any sense after everything he went through in 02 after losing Wormmon etc. I suspect brainwashing. Which leads to the question of who? Do you think Huckmon could've brainswashed him?

breaker335
03-12-2016, 12:09 PM
But how would he have went back to evil? Was he brainwashed? Or did he simply choose to be evil again? If that's the case then that's far deadlier than any Digimon they'd ever have to fight.

I don't think he chose. It wouldn't make any sense after everything he went through in 02 after losing Wormmon etc. I suspect brainwashing. Which leads to the question of who? Do you think Huckmon could've brainswashed him?For what purpose? Going by his bio, Huckmon is one of the most pure hearted of the Royal Knights, at least Jesmon his.

I'd also like to bring up people saying Meicoomon's Perfect form is really a corrupted version of it. I think people are forgetting MeiMei's digivice changed color like the other digidestined when their Digimon reach Perfect.

DaemonCorps
03-12-2016, 12:29 PM
The Kaiser fight definitely has me wondering though. It's unnatural how little they even mention or think about the 02 kids..there's no mention of Imperialdramon possibly being Ken and Daisuke's partners either, naturally you'd think the kids would be reluctant to fight their friends' partners even if they're under attack. I would've thought that there's some memory erasure thing going on, if not for Mimi remembering who Ken is which kinda throws that out..

This was my thought process, too. Now that we know the main cast knows who Ken is, it makes the fact that they've yet to really acknowledge or mention the rest of the 02 cast stand out a lot more than in the last movie. I guess an "alternate reality" theory could still work. It's just so odd as it stands, though. If it were a normal classmate they lost contact with I'd accept it, but the 02 peeps were partners they fought alongside with in literally world-altering battles. Those aren't the kind of people you just suddenly lose contact with!


One thing I forgot to mention about tri part 2. Loved the new version of Seven!

Yes! Hearing all the new arrangements of the Adventure songs reminds me I'm more nostalgic over the music than I initially thought. Grew up with the dub and didn't really get into the sub until much later. Guess I watched the Adventure special and Our War Game in Japanese enough times to have a connection with the music that way.


I watched all of it. It raised a lot of damn questions and offered an answer to one.

This is my main concern for me. Not gripe, just... concern. We are now two movies in, and yet plot points seem to just be left floating in the air rather than getting built upon. Stuff like the government mobilizing armies to fight the infected digimon seem like such minor plot points and aren't really being treated with the amount of weight they should actually be holding (Government is acknowledging invading monsters and is taking immediate action in the form of violence? That should be a more major thing to mull over!). As the story stands, though, there's still a lot of pieces being moved around but nothing in terms of an explanation to give reason to much of anything. I didn't really think much about this until I realized the sheer amount of fan theories people are coming up with *because* we don't know any particulars in terms of what's actually going on.

Really hoping that since part 2 ended on a cliffhanger of sorts, part 3 immediately opens with the main cast finally willing to seek some answers.

Theigno
03-12-2016, 12:40 PM
For what purpose? Going by his bio, Huckmon is one of the most pure hearted of the Royal Knights, at least Jesmon his.
General reminder that...
...We don't know if this Hackmon will evolve to Jesmon.
...We don't know if he has anything to do with the Royal Knights
...We don't even know if the Alphamon from part 1 was a Royal Knight or if the Royal Knights even exist in the Adventure universe.
...Also the Reference Book profiles don't describe the Adventure universe and their personality descriptions aren't necessarily indicatoive of the character of specific characters in other media.


I'd also like to bring up people saying Meicoomon's Perfect form is really a corrupted version of it. I think people are forgetting MeiMei's digivice changed color like the other digidestined when their Digimon reach Perfect.
Even if we ignore the strange symbols that we have never seen before... Perfect evolution usually happens when the partner willingly uses the power of his crest, we don't even know if Meiko has a crest and Maicoomon has changed all by herself without Meiko doing anything. So unless her crest is "the crest of inactivity", what happened seems to have little to do with your usual super evolutions.

RestInPain
03-12-2016, 12:42 PM
The Kaiser fight definitely has me wondering though. It's unnatural how little they even mention or think about the 02 kids..there's no mention of Imperialdramon possibly being Ken and Daisuke's partners either, naturally you'd think the kids would be reluctant to fight their friends' partners even if they're under attack. I would've thought that there's some memory erasure thing going on, if not for Mimi remembering who Ken is which kinda throws that out..

This was my thought process, too. Now that we know the main cast knows who Ken is, it makes the fact that they've yet to really acknowledge or mention the rest of the 02 cast stand out a lot more than in the last movie. I guess an "alternate reality" theory could still work. It's just so odd as it stands, though. If it were a normal classmate they lost contact with I'd accept it, but the 02 peeps were partners they fought alongside with in literally world-altering battles. Those aren't the kind of people you just suddenly lose contact with!


One thing I forgot to mention about tri part 2. Loved the new version of Seven!

Yes! Hearing all the new arrangements of the Adventure songs reminds me I'm more nostalgic over the music than I initially thought. Grew up with the dub and didn't really get into the sub until much later. Guess I watched the Adventure special and Our War Game in Japanese enough times to have a connection with the music that way.


I watched all of it. It raised a lot of damn questions and offered an answer to one.

This is my main concern for me. Not gripe, just... concern. We are now two movies in, and yet plot points seem to just be left floating in the air rather than getting built upon. Stuff like the government mobilizing armies to fight the infected digimon seem like such minor plot points and aren't really being treated with the amount of weight they should actually be holding (Government is acknowledging invading monsters and is taking immediate action in the form of violence? That should be a more major thing to mull over!). As the story stands, though, there's still a lot of pieces being moved around but nothing in terms of an explanation to give reason to much of anything. I didn't really think much about this until I realized the sheer amount of fan theories people are coming up with *because* we don't know any particulars in terms of what's actually going on.

Really hoping that since part 2 ended on a cliffhanger of sorts, part 3 immediately opens with the main cast finally willing to seek some answers. And we'll finally get to know what happened to the 02 kids. And hopefully the dark ocean plays a bigger part in the series. Also I think this ties into another thread but after seeing Ogremon get hit with electronic distortion bullets I think Digimon have a weakness to the EMP or the EM in general.

Paruseruru mafubu
03-12-2016, 01:26 PM
One thing I forgot to mention about tri part 2. Loved the new version of Seven!

Agreed. Can't wait for its release at the end of the month. The original was always one of my favorite Digimon songs along with Brave Heart.

Darasuum
03-12-2016, 03:47 PM
Tri's handling of the 02 stuff has been terrible. Nothing about it makes any sense.

breaker335
03-12-2016, 04:38 PM
I'll just stick to my head canon that only the Digidestined don't remember them because they had their memories altered by some outside force and seeing Ken again brought them back or at least part of them.

Kotekuma
03-12-2016, 05:06 PM
what can be said about Meicoomon's childish personality? It is an adult-level digimon but acts like a child i.e. being timid, dependent, fun-loving. I would think that Meicoomon would have a personality closer to other mature digimon like Tailmon and Leomon.

TMS
03-12-2016, 05:12 PM
Maicoomon strikes me as having some kind of anxiety disorder (like in that one scene in the bathhouse) or other "mental condition" (not sure what the right term is).

AquaVersus
03-12-2016, 06:37 PM
Maicoomon strikes me as having some kind of anxiety disorder (like in that one scene in the bathhouse) or other "mental condition" (not sure what the right term is).

That's definitely the feeling I got when I watched the scene for the first time (and when I watched it again just now). When Meiko comes back, she comforts him, as if she's familiar with this kind of behavior. Maybe it's just separation anxiety...or maybe it has something to do with the location and the colors? Or perhaps, like Meiko said, it has to do with being in such a new place.

At any rate, when Maicoomon was looking around and appeared lost, and the music was giving off that vibe...that definitely reminded me of my own anxiety. (Music doesn't play when I'm anxious, but the emotion was the same, from what I could gather.)

flintlock
03-12-2016, 07:25 PM
It was anxiety but not from a disorder. It was just anxiety. It's as if Meicoomon was anticipating the Kaiser or somebody finding him. It was almost like he knew. It was veey creepy.

breaker335
03-12-2016, 07:31 PM
Speaking of Meicoomon, surprised no one has talked about Maki's "supposed" betrayal. It seems like she just handed Meicoomon over to Ken and that smirk at the end implies that was the case. It also doesn't help that she left him alone behind the school away from anyone.

TMS
03-12-2016, 07:34 PM
Actually, lots of people have talked about that over the course of the thread.

Also, I notice that people seem to have differing opinions on Maicoomon's gender. Guess we'll have to wait for him/her to inevitably evolve into some human-looking Ultimate form.

Theigno
03-12-2016, 07:42 PM
It was anxiety but not from a disorder. It was just anxiety. It's as if Meicoomon was anticipating the Kaiser or somebody finding him. It was almost like he knew. It was veey creepy.
I guess having a malicious and possibly infected evil form could be classified as some sort of disorder. Maybe the whole naive cuteness could have just been an act but much of it looked pretty genuine and I'd at least partially ascribe some of Maicoomon's anxiety to that "other side" trying to awaken or maybe just the general feeling that something is wrong inside of her.

Speaking of Meicoomon, surprised no one has talked about Maki's "supposed" betrayal. It seems like she just handed Meicoomon over to Ken and that smirk at the end implies that was the case. It also doesn't help that she left him alone behind the school away from anyone.
It has come up like 10 times already...

Digital warrior
03-12-2016, 09:52 PM
I DID Not expect that ending.

Imperlidramon came out of thin air and had no lines of dialogue.

i thought Vikemon and Rosemon would lose or have trouble with Imperildramon Fighter Mode.

There is also no explanation if this is the same Leomon from Adventure 1 reborn OR a different Leomon. He doesn't reference the past. and no one mentioned he died before.

When exactly does Tri take place? Past events in Adventure and Adventure Zero Two are not mentioned. The group just says why is Ken Ichiju here instead of asking why is Ken wearing the Kaiser outfit.

AquaVersus
03-12-2016, 10:18 PM
I DID Not expect that ending.

Imperlidramon came out of thin air and had no lines of dialogue.

i thought Vikemon and Rosemon would lose or have trouble with Imperildramon Fighter Mode.

There is also no explanation if this is the same Leomon from Adventure 1 reborn OR a different Leomon. He doesn't reference the past. and no one mentioned he died before.

When exactly does Tri take place? Past events in Adventure and Adventure Zero Two are not mentioned. The group just says why is Ken Ichiju here instead of asking why is Ken wearing the Kaiser outfit.


Tri takes place in 2005. This is confirmed as it states in the official synopsis that it takes place six years after Adventure (1999) and three years after 02 (2002). Taichi is 17. In Determination, we see papers/documents from "last year" that are labeled 2004.

Past events ARE mentioned, such as Taichi making a joke about the events from Our War Game, the first movie reinforcing the fact that Mimi lives in/just came back from the United States, Takeru and Hikari having D-3s, and the children not only knowing Ichijouji Ken's name, but also recognizing him on sight. You're correct that things seem to have been handled...strangely...but that doesn't mean 02 didn't happen.

Garmmon
03-13-2016, 06:15 AM
I don't think tri. actually has anything close to a budget of an actual theatrical movie... because that's not what those films are. They are premium animations that just happen to include a very limited theatrical run as part of their promotion.
Fair enough, but I still stand by my view that that's some pretty bad animation that I would disapprove of even hitting TV screens, let alone the big screen. I can close an eye for in-betweens or characters far away in the background, but badly-drawn keyframes and badly-timed stills is something I still wouldn't like to excuse, even in a TV series.
Though to be fair Digimon/Toei isn't really a pinnacle of animation so...

Angemon_1
03-13-2016, 07:32 AM
Ok, just to add my two-cents: I agree with a lot of what has been said thus far. While it was great to see Mimi and Joe being centre stage in this movie, I felt as through the pacing in the 2nd and 3rd parts came to a screeching halt, and at times I was even bored. While it was character developing in terms what they did at the school fete, I thought it was overdrawn so when the climax came with imperialdramon for me at least, it felt 'too little, too late'. However I can say that for me, it did get better on rewatch and so I don't think it['s terrible (but certainly weaker than the first film). I can't deny there were lots of lovely little moments in here, I just feel like after 2 movies (almost 2.5 hrs of run time If I'm not mistaken), we aren't really getting anywhere with the plot.

Also, the animation was pretty shocking at time: lillymom, biyomon when she follows meiccomon (spelling?), ikkakumon's pose *shudders*

You probably think I really hate it (which I absolutely don't!) so I'll stop, but it is the weaker film out of the two.

Inpu
03-13-2016, 02:27 PM
I've seen some mention that in the PSP game, Huckmon is able to create mirages or some sort of hard-light holograms. Anyone know about that?

RestInPain
03-13-2016, 03:38 PM
Something makes me gotta ask. Why did Alphamon beat down the 02 digidestined? Was it possible Alphamon is infected or they decided to defend Meicoomon when they didn't realize she was the vector for the infection?

Exiled
03-13-2016, 03:45 PM
I've seen some mention that in the PSP game, Huckmon is able to create mirages or some sort of hard-light holograms. Anyone know about that?

He didn't did that on my gameplay...

DigitalCorp
03-13-2016, 04:29 PM
OK, so I just saw the latest "episodes" of Digimon Adventure tri.




Mimi being her free-spirited self is nothing new (Ms. Sampler is probably going to have a lot of fun with this role).


"Daters" is actually supposed to be Hooters, I think. Only problem is, Meiko and Mimi don't have enough of a bust put together. (Although what Mimi had was plenty for Izzy. I'm waiting for them to get a room. That way, Izzy can gain more "knowledge" on how to handle a woman, if you know what I mean. Heh heh heh.)


Joe being a "coward".... eh, that's semi-typical Joe. Makes you feel sorry for Gomamon. It'll probably be amped up in the dub. After the battle.... I'm expecting him to be all in from this point on.


When I heard that Ken was back, I shared the link to the episode he was in on Derek Stephen Prince's Facebook page. When it became apparent that he wasn't going to get any lines, I added an apologetic comment. (Maybe they'll let him put in a snicker or something for the dub.)




Himekawa is up to no good. I detected a sneer on her face when Meicoomon Digivolved.




Meicoomon is up to no good, either. Meiko is being played like a fiddle, and so is everyone. I'm starting to see through that cuteness ploy.




The Tai/Matt argument got nowhere, but at least they're on the same bike together.




Meiko is a clueless Wesley Crusher. Put in there and made the emphasis for no good reason.




Next movie... I'm expecting more Takari action. We'll be focusing on T.K. and Kari, and I'll be looking forward to it.

Exiled
03-13-2016, 04:35 PM
Nope. Next ova is focused in Takeru and Koushiro. Yeah, odd pairing.

DigitalCorp
03-13-2016, 04:47 PM
You're telling me. Well, in that case, my guess is that the confession will involve Izzy and his feelings for Mimi, as well as T.K...... the more I think about it, we haven't seen his conflict yet. He's been a supporting character this whole time. That's going to change.

breaker335
03-13-2016, 05:03 PM
I just thought of something, since darkness seems to be the theme again, maybe they'll actually go more in depth with stuff like the Dark Ocean. Or they could just shove it aside and still not acknowledge it's existence.

Digital warrior
03-13-2016, 10:14 PM
It was not explained if the Leomon in the movie is the same one from Adventure. If he was the same, why didnt he talk to the digi destines? why didn't Mimi reference that Leomon saved her life from Metaletemon. Why didnt anyone wonder why Leomon did not evolve into Saberleomon?

The kaiser may not be the real Ken Ichijoji but a digital copy (He can go between the real world and the digital world at will). The Imperildramon may not be the 02's Imperalidramon. Alphamon probably took the data from Davis's and ken's Digivices and copied Imperildramon and the Kaiser.

This is a nitpick, but why the D3 allows humans to go to the digital world at will, so why didnt Tk, Kari, Patamon, and Gatomoni go into the digital world to help Gonamon and Palmon?

I did not mind the "slice of life" parts because these are more mature versions of the Adventure/02 characters. I want to see what they are up to when not fighting evil.

MarcFBR
03-13-2016, 10:23 PM
Ignoring the spelling and grammar.



It was not explained if the Leomon in the movie is the same one from Adventure. If he was the same, why didnt he talk to the digi destines? why didn't Mimi reference that Leomon saved her life from Metaletemon. Why didnt anyone wonder why Leomon did not evolve into Saberleomon?

Because it isn't necessary? Anytime I see someone I don't go AH YES, MY GOOD FRIEND STAN, WHOM I MET A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO! And it isn't really relevant for Mimi to bring up her being rescued 6 years ago. I don't see Tailmon standing there talking about Wizardmon. Leomon's evo was never quite stable. Him being reborn likely 'fixed' it.


The kaiser may not be the real Ken Ichijoji but a digital copy (He can go between the real world and the digital world at will).

We never actually see him go from digital world to real world. He's certainly going between 'places', but we never see him go from a place we can solidly say is the digital world to the real world (the fact he's using roughly the same types of portals we see throughout tri. 1 and 2 should perhaps be a clue at what is going on.)


The Imperildramon may not be the 02's Imperalidramon. Alphamon probably took the data from Davis's and ken's Digivices and copied Imperildramon and the Kaiser.

Based on what exactly? We see Imperialdramon forming out of trinary code, which thus far has been wholey unique to the kids' Digimons evolving in tri. There is no real reason to assume EVERYTHING we see is fake.


This is a nitpick, but why the D3 allows humans to go to the digital world at will, so why didnt Tk, Kari, Patamon, and Gatomoni go into the digital world to help Gonamon and Palmon?

Like I said, wasn't the digital world (at least as far as I'm aware.) And tri. part 1 made it pretty clear that they weren't able to access the digital world 'at will' anymore as they had during 02. Not to mention D-3's took you to specific locations in the digital world. Even if we assume that 'digital space' is in the digital world, going off randomly doesn't help.

TMS
03-13-2016, 10:31 PM
This is a nitpick, but why the D3 allows humans to go to the digital world at will, so why didnt Tk, Kari, Patamon, and Gatomoni go into the digital world to help Gonamon and Palmon?


The space where they fought Imperialdramon didn't seem to be part of the Digital World. It seemed to be more like the artificial space that Koshiro created for the Digimon to hang out in.

Grimmon
03-14-2016, 02:24 AM
I assumed the space in which the Imperialdramon battle and the digivolution sequences take place is meant to be the cyberspace, as depicted in the Diaboromon movies. Essentially, the world wide web as a virtual space and as a medium plane between the real world and the digital world (hence Greymon and Kuwagamon going through it twice as they were traveling between the real and digital world in Part 1), in a similar manner as it was illustrated in Digimon Tamers and Cyber Sleuth as well.


Himekawa is up to no good. I detected a sneer on her face when Meicoomon Digivolved.

Was there anything suggesting it was a digivolution?


Meicoomon is up to no good, either. Meiko is being played like a fiddle, and so is everyone. I'm starting to see through that cuteness ploy.

He/she was alone while fascinated by a flowerbed. I am not sure it's a ploy, or at least one that it is consciously aware of.

Cross666
03-14-2016, 03:47 AM
Aren't anyone interested in the mysterious Email that Izzy got ?

Those who desire true power , Must understand the Darkness and go beyond!

It seem this line might direct toward Meicoomon !

RestInPain
03-14-2016, 05:09 AM
Man everything about Digimon Adventure Tri has been one giant mysterey and it's thrown so many theories in the air in a short matter of months. I really think the Ken we saw was not the real Ken and maybe a digital copy

SB-129
03-14-2016, 10:11 AM
Man everything about Digimon Adventure Tri has been one giant mysterey and it's thrown so many theories in the air in a short matter of months. I really think the Ken we saw was not the real Ken and maybe a digital copy

At this point I believe anything can be possible although I can easily see the person in the digimon emperor outfit not being a person at all. For one thing, he didn't say so much as a single word and if he was a projection of some sorts then it would make sense that Imperialdramon was a copy as well considering Vikemon and Rosemon didn't even hesitate to delete him. On another note I forgot to mention the rift between Joe and Gomamon at least to me was done very well. Especially when we see Gomamon drop the stick of food followed by tears on the ground. The fact his face was off screen at the time I felt really captured the emotion of the scene.

flintlock
03-14-2016, 12:56 PM
I guess having a malicious and possibly infected evil form could be classified as some sort of disorder. Maybe the whole naive cuteness could have just been an act but much of it looked pretty genuine and I'd at least partially ascribe some of Maicoomon's anxiety to that "other side" trying to awaken or maybe just the general feeling that something is wrong inside of her.


I feel really bad for Meicoomon. I am not convinced he's actually malicious either. He's just acting like a scared cat. (lol.) He's been running around infecting Digimon, does he even know what he's doing? I think when he killed Leomon he was afraid of him? (I need to rewatch to see if I understood that right. It happened so fast.) I posted this before but if I'm right his fear seems to be a mirror of what the general population already thinks of Digimon. I feel like the prophecy may actually be about Meicoomon. Didn't it mention something about two worlds being part of the same?


I'm really hoping we get the background on how Meiku met Meicoomon soon. He's been running around getting away from Meiko since before Tri. He wasn't even with Meiku at the beginning of Tri 1. So is the implication that was he running because he was infecting Digimon or the same personality quirks that's pulling him to the Digital World?




The lack of knowledge feels extremely strange for something that always had such a simple plot as Digimon. I'm not sure how to feel about it but I will put off judgement until I see more episodes. I feels like more questions keep getting brought up than answers and I'm worried it's not going to pay off. Most of the plot seems like it was happening in the background or before the start of Tri too. Considering Koushiro, the holder of the crest of Knowledge is getting focus next I'm sure he'll figure something out!

I'm really curious about Seraphimon's abscene from the Confession trailer, but it makes me happy that the match ups and evolutions won't be entirely predictable. It's also interesting that Takeru is paired with Koushiro because Takeru was paired with Iori who had the Digimental Knowledge. It's probably just a coincidence though.

So are the episodes going to look something like this?

Episode 1 - Omegamon - Taichi and Yomato
Episode 2 - Vikemon and Rosemon
Episode 3 Hercules Kabuterimon and Patamon
Episode 4 Hououmon and Tailmon
Episode 5 Seraphimon and Holydramon?
Episode 6 Meiko? Taichi and Yomato again because Taichi got his shit together?

Vice
03-14-2016, 11:33 PM
Alphamon in Reunion was pursuing Meikomon, which could mean that Alphamon is a good guy or probably knew that Meicomon was infected all along. Alphamon also didn't attack the Digidestined until he was confronted by Taichi and Yamato in episode 4, but thats because he didn't want them to interfere with his plans to take Meicomon. I'm also sure the 02 Digidestined are probably infected as well, so that's why he attacked them and why Ken is the Digimon Emperor once again. Also how would Ken get a jogressed Imperialdramon without Daisuke? He has to have been infected as well.

One small thing I'll nitpick on is, Imperialdramon seemed very weak compared to how he was in 02. His attacks could wipe out entire cities, hell in Xros Wars he wiped out 4 VenomMyOtismon's (I know they were copies but still), here Gomamon and Palmon can somehow survive his most powerful attacks?

RestInPain
03-15-2016, 11:13 AM
Alphamon in Reunion was pursuing Meikomon, which could mean that Alphamon is a good guy or probably knew that Meicomon was infected all along. Alphamon also didn't attack the Digidestined until he was confronted by Taichi and Yamato in episode 4, but thats because he didn't want them to interfere with his plans to take Meicomon. I'm also sure the 02 Digidestined are probably infected as well, so that's why he attacked them and why Ken is the Digimon Emperor once again. Also how would Ken get a jogressed Imperialdramon without Daisuke? He has to have been infected as well.

One small thing I'll nitpick on is, Imperialdramon seemed very weak compared to how he was in 02. His attacks could wipe out entire cities, hell in Xros Wars he wiped out 4 VenomMyOtismon's (I know they were copies but still), here Gomamon and Palmon can somehow survive his most powerful attacks? That's kinda my thought too. But then again that raises the question of where the infection came from and how did Meicoomon become a vector for the infection? But I think there's a bit of a flaw with your theory. How could humans get infected with the infection? Isn't it only Digimon? How could a infection made for Digimon come after and infect humans? I still think maybe it's a digital copy of Ken and Imperialdramon. Maybe someone's pulling everyone's strings here and playing them to think it's the Emperor.

TMS
03-15-2016, 11:19 AM
Humans being infected by a digital virus would be somewhat odd, but not entirely unheard of. The Dark Seeds could be used as an example, and Yoshino fell sick because of a digital virus in Savers.

yosa
03-15-2016, 11:35 AM
Also, I notice that people seem to have differing opinions on Maicoomon's gender. Guess we'll have to wait for him/her to inevitably evolve into some human-looking Ultimate form.

But Meicoomon is wearing girl's yukata in Ooedo Onsen Monogatari illustrations.

Vice
03-15-2016, 12:00 PM
Alphamon in Reunion was pursuing Meikomon, which could mean that Alphamon is a good guy or probably knew that Meicomon was infected all along. Alphamon also didn't attack the Digidestined until he was confronted by Taichi and Yamato in episode 4, but thats because he didn't want them to interfere with his plans to take Meicomon. I'm also sure the 02 Digidestined are probably infected as well, so that's why he attacked them and why Ken is the Digimon Emperor once again. Also how would Ken get a jogressed Imperialdramon without Daisuke? He has to have been infected as well.

One small thing I'll nitpick on is, Imperialdramon seemed very weak compared to how he was in 02. His attacks could wipe out entire cities, hell in Xros Wars he wiped out 4 VenomMyOtismon's (I know they were copies but still), here Gomamon and Palmon can somehow survive his most powerful attacks? That's kinda my thought too. But then again that raises the question of where the infection came from and how did Meicoomon become a vector for the infection? But I think there's a bit of a flaw with your theory. How could humans get infected with the infection? Isn't it only Digimon? How could a infection made for Digimon come after and infect humans? I still think maybe it's a digital copy of Ken and Imperialdramon. Maybe someone's pulling everyone's strings here and playing them to think it's the Emperor.

Well we did see a group of kids infected by the dark spores in Digimon Adventure 02, and we saw Jeri was infected by the D-Reeper in Tamers so it's not like humans being infected by Digimon or by data hasn't happened before.

RestInPain
03-15-2016, 12:07 PM
Alphamon in Reunion was pursuing Meikomon, which could mean that Alphamon is a good guy or probably knew that Meicomon was infected all along. Alphamon also didn't attack the Digidestined until he was confronted by Taichi and Yamato in episode 4, but thats because he didn't want them to interfere with his plans to take Meicomon. I'm also sure the 02 Digidestined are probably infected as well, so that's why he attacked them and why Ken is the Digimon Emperor once again. Also how would Ken get a jogressed Imperialdramon without Daisuke? He has to have been infected as well.

One small thing I'll nitpick on is, Imperialdramon seemed very weak compared to how he was in 02. His attacks could wipe out entire cities, hell in Xros Wars he wiped out 4 VenomMyOtismon's (I know they were copies but still), here Gomamon and Palmon can somehow survive his most powerful attacks? That's kinda my thought too. But then again that raises the question of where the infection came from and how did Meicoomon become a vector for the infection? But I think there's a bit of a flaw with your theory. How could humans get infected with the infection? Isn't it only Digimon? How could a infection made for Digimon come after and infect humans? I still think maybe it's a digital copy of Ken and Imperialdramon. Maybe someone's pulling everyone's strings here and playing them to think it's the Emperor.

Well we did see a group of kids infected by the dark spores in Digimon Adventure 02, and we saw Jeri was infected by the D-Reeper in Tamers so it's not like humans being infected by Digimon or by data hasn't happened before. Well then again you're right there. True, but I think in all likelihood that Ken may have just been a hologram. But the question is "How" did they get infected? Did they have contect with Meicoomon as well?

Imperial
03-15-2016, 12:08 PM
Season 1 had Yamato about to be infected by the darkness. Sora was infected by the darkness. And the mushrooms of forgetfulness may or may not fit into this(I never watched the sub of this particular episode.)

Season 2 had the aforementioned Dark Spores.

Season 3 had the D-Reaper.

Season 4 sort of had Koichi, but it's debatable.

Season 5 had Yoshino.

So more often than not human's were infected by something digital related.

TMS
03-15-2016, 12:26 PM
But Meicoomon is wearing girl's yukata in Ooedo Onsen Monogatari illustrations.

Ah, you're right. Well, I always thought she was female, but others didn't seem to be convinced.

Vice
03-15-2016, 12:29 PM
Well we did see a group of kids infected by the dark spores in Digimon Adventure 02, and we saw Jeri was infected by the D-Reeper in Tamers so it's not like humans being infected by Digimon or by data hasn't happened before.[/QUOTE] Well then again you're right there. True, but I think in all likelihood that Ken may have just been a hologram. But the question is "How" did they get infected? Did they have contect with Meicoomon as well?[/QUOTE]

If my theory is correct then we'll find out in due time, I mean we don't even know what's infecting the Digimon as of yet.

Vande
03-15-2016, 01:16 PM
But Meicoomon is wearing girl's yukata in Ooedo Onsen Monogatari illustrations.

Ah, you're right. Well, I always thought she was female, but others didn't seem to be convinced.

-plants head on desk-

Not this debate again...for the love of the holy beasts...no no no

RestInPain
03-15-2016, 03:41 PM
But Meicoomon is wearing girl's yukata in Ooedo Onsen Monogatari illustrations.

Ah, you're right. Well, I always thought she was female, but others didn't seem to be convinced.

-plants head on desk-

Not this debate again...for the love of the holy beasts...no no no I guess there's another thread for this?

Imperial
03-15-2016, 03:48 PM
I realized I never spoke about my thoughts on this movie.

1. I'm liking the Maki Himekawa character. She's not out in your face antagonizing everyone. She is suspicious, but not to the point where I'm banging my head against the wall because they kept things vague with her. So at this point I'm just enjoying her like a fine wine without needing to chug. Some of her words to Daigo and some of her words about Meicoomon last movie I'm liking sprinkled about.

2. Mimi once again stole the show. She was saying things as I was thinking them. An example is when Jyou was asking why he was chosen, and she just went "you're still asking that?" Another was when the girls in her school were talking behind her back and she was like "Say that to my face." I was like. . .thank you. Mimi and Jyou's talk in the rain was really nice and I didn't feel it as overdone. I liked how Hikari kind of witnessed it, and she was the one who confronted Jyou in the end.

3. Vikemon and Rosemon vs Imperialdramon was just sexy. Sure some of the colored explosions seemed a bit. . .weird to say the least, but man, I've only seen it twice but I was on the edge of my seat both times. There's this part where Imperialdramon fires at Vikemon and he just blocks it with his shoulder pad shield things and kept on trucking. At least for the final attacks, I do kind of wish Rosemon and Vikemon called them out. I think it's just to make it a bit more personal. I feel the battles are impersonal and this fight in particular didn't feel threatening. There was a moment when Gomamon was going to die, yes, but once that was resolved it was just sit back and enjoy the ride.

4. Meicoomon was strange. Someone earlier said something about anxiety regarding this character and I think it fits. Restraining the inner demon within without realizing it.

5. Leomon's death was very strange. It was like, Meicoomon just slashed you up. Your reaction is to stare at her and be like "It's okay now." Then she kills Leomon and everyone is like "Oh snaps." No one decided to stop her from entering some portal? Like, Myotismon (using dub name, yep) kills Gotsumon and Pumpkinmon then Gabumon just goes all in. WarGreymon should've had her at claw point before that scene was over. So Leomon came back, stopping Ogremon a couple of times. Then he like shows up at Taichi's house or something lol and Taichi brings him over to Koushiro's. It was very strange.

6. Still not really a fan of Meiko. I just don't like the character. I feel that the cast has to baby her because she's fragile. "I'm shy." I guess. It just feels like if Mimi didn't happen to be standing next to her that one time, they'd never have brought her into the fold. Anyway I'd probably just nitpick her forever so I'll stop there.

7. I still feel like we're introducing characters. Or in this case we're introducing Megas. And hopefully the introductions kind of end soon. Obviously it looks like it will be another 2 or 3 movies, but I'd rather we kick into full gear by movie 4 as opposed to movie 6.

8. Koushiro lecturing Mimi. Or whatever he did, chastising her or something. I for one feel it was uncalled for. Hindsight is 20/20. But there were people there fighting Ogremon and helicopters flying around. Seriously. You thought Mimi was going to sit tight until everyone got there? Then what? You all engage him? Mimi grew out of "sit tight" back in Adventure when her crest glowed. And a lot more so in 02. And from Tri, well, Koushiro you may be a genius, but smart you are not. Errr or something rather.

All in all. I enjoyed it. There's not much of a "I wish this had happened" or something. I just want the rest of the series to be thought out. And up the action quota some. Please.

DigitalCorp
03-15-2016, 04:23 PM
Right. Meiko just doesn't do it for me, neither does Mei-chan.

Unknown Neo
03-15-2016, 04:27 PM
Humans being infected by that virus? Huckmon being Meiko's partner? ...I'd go for both of these. Why not for the first. Would Huckmon being secretly training the ...Chosen Teens? for a bigger problem? Did we talk about that idea yet?

DigitalCorp
03-15-2016, 05:07 PM
Something tells me Stephanie Sheh would be the perfect voice for an English Meiko, but I wouldn't be surprised if they cast her successor Brianna Knickerbocker, or Amanda Celine Miller.

Sabrblade
03-15-2016, 05:48 PM
Finally got caught up on reading this thread.

Something I've seen repeatedly stated here needs some clarification. The attack that Imperialdramon Fighter Mode used when firing a clawed cannon from his torso was not Giga Death/Giga Crusher. It was Ion Blaster/Ionic Blaster.

Giga Death/Giga Crusher is the attack he used in the 02 finale when he fired a giant, supercharged, hand-wielded cannon at BelialVamdemon's darkness. He later used it again during the big crossover event in the third portion of the Xros Wars anime, in which he used it to destroy the last bunch of Quartzmon's VenomVamdemon.

http://i.imgur.com/ji0O2v3.gif

Ion Blaster/Ionic Blaster is the attack he used in both Diablomon Strikes Back and in this movie in which he deploys and fires a smaller, clawed cannon from the mouth in his torso. It was unnamed in both of these appearances (though the English dub of Movie 4 mistakenly named it "Giga Crusher"), but was finally given a proper name in the Battle Chronicle/Rumble Arena 2 video game.

http://i.imgur.com/n1dO2sm.gif

RestInPain
03-15-2016, 06:24 PM
Finally got caught up on reading this thread.

Something I've seen repeatedly stated here needs some clarification. The attack that Imperialdramon Fighter Mode used when firing a clawed cannon from his torso was not Giga Death/Giga Crusher. It was Ion Blaster/Ionic Blaster.

Giga Death/Giga Crusher is the attack he used in the 02 finale when he fired a giant, supercharged, hand-wielded cannon at BelialVamdemon's darkness. He later used it again during the big crossover event in the third portion of the Xros Wars anime, in which he used it to destroy the last bunch of Quartzmon's VenomVamdemon.

http://i.imgur.com/ji0O2v3.gif

Ion Blaster/Ionic Blaster is the attack he used in both Diablomon Strikes Back and in this movie in which he deploys and fires a smaller, clawed cannon from the mouth in his torso. It was unnamed in both of these appearances (though the English dub of Movie 4 mistakenly named it "Giga Crusher"), but was finally given a proper name in the Battle Chronicle/Rumble Arena 2 video game.

http://i.imgur.com/n1dO2sm.gif
Dear God! He may as well have nuked Tokyo with that much power. Either that or fried everyone within a 3 mile radius.

silverleomon
03-15-2016, 07:22 PM
Just got a chance to catch up on it... loved both the first part and the second part. But the Ken sequences had me wondering...

1) Could that lady working in the government be related to him some how?
2) Or, could Meicoomon possibly be capable of making holograms of others?

Also, I was wondering why Meiko moved in the first place? Could Meicoomon have been causing problems there as well?

NatalieMotomiya
03-16-2016, 08:57 AM
I really realy hope that we get more information about the 02 kids in the next movie. I want to see them finally ; (
And I hope the 02 kids will appear in one movie. And not for only 5 minutes :(
If they won't appear I will be very disapointed and sad :(

But I think the 02 kids will appear in the 5th or 6th movie
(Hopefully)

flintlock
03-16-2016, 10:47 AM
Humans being infected by that virus? Huckmon being Meiko's partner? ...I'd go for both of these. Why not for the first. Would Huckmon being secretly training the ...Chosen Teens? for a bigger problem? Did we talk about that idea yet?

I think I saw someone bring it up before but there wasn't a discussion that I know of. I recently rewatched Tri and I realized that the scene of Huckmon near the end almost definitively implies Ken and Imperialdramon were probably an illusion created by Huckmon. Maybe Huckmon wanted to reveal the true nature of Meicoomon to the Chosen Children.

RestInPain
03-16-2016, 11:09 AM
I also have to really wonder about this. Will the ending to Digimon Adventure Tri overwrite the ending to Adventure 02? Or will it create some kind of alternate timeline where certain events did and didn't happen? So much for the golden future if it's overwritten by Tri or made an alternate timeline, there might even have to be a Digimon Adventure Quatro. I think we will see the 02 kids soon or later but until then we're in the dark like the Mojave BOS.

breaker335
03-16-2016, 11:47 AM
I also have to really wonder about this. Will the ending to Digimon Adventure Tri overwrite the ending to Adventure 02? Or will it create some kind of alternate timeline where certain events did and didn't happen? So much for the golden future if it's overwritten by Tri or made an alternate timeline, there might even have to be a Digimon Adventure Quatro. I think we will see the 02 kids soon or later but until then we're in the dark like the Mojave BOS.
I believe before they released the first movie, the original ending was canon, though I may be wrong on this one.

RestInPain
03-16-2016, 12:08 PM
I also have to really wonder about this. Will the ending to Digimon Adventure Tri overwrite the ending to Adventure 02? Or will it create some kind of alternate timeline where certain events did and didn't happen? So much for the golden future if it's overwritten by Tri or made an alternate timeline, there might even have to be a Digimon Adventure Quatro. I think we will see the 02 kids soon or later but until then we're in the dark like the Mojave BOS.
I believe before they released the first movie, the original ending was canon, though I may be wrong on this one. Maybe, or the ending could have a lot of changes to it. I see Mimi being a fashion designer and Sora working on a cooking show and maybe in botany. I still see Yamato being an international rockstar kinda like Motley Crue. Just without the drug abuse even though I don't think Heavy metal would be his thing. The original ending maybe canon due to 02, but Tri could change that.

Bomaye_Chaos
03-16-2016, 12:42 PM
I also have to really wonder about this. Will the ending to Digimon Adventure Tri overwrite the ending to Adventure 02? Or will it create some kind of alternate timeline where certain events did and didn't happen? So much for the golden future if it's overwritten by Tri or made an alternate timeline, there might even have to be a Digimon Adventure Quatro. I think we will see the 02 kids soon or later but until then we're in the dark like the Mojave BOS.
I believe before they released the first movie, the original ending was canon, though I may be wrong on this one. Maybe, or the ending could have a lot of changes to it. I see Mimi being a fashion designer and Sora working on a cooking show and maybe in botany. I still see Yamato being an international rockstar kinda like Motley Crue. Just without the drug abuse even though I don't think Heavy metal would be his thing. The original ending maybe canon due to 02, but Tri could change that.

I doubt it. They foreshadowed Sora's future career in the second movie. She designed the cheerleader uniforms for Mimi and Meiko. Also, Tri is confirmed to be a build up to the epilogue. Maybe they'll add a pairing or two, but i don't expect them to change anything major.

RestInPain
03-16-2016, 01:05 PM
I also have to really wonder about this. Will the ending to Digimon Adventure Tri overwrite the ending to Adventure 02? Or will it create some kind of alternate timeline where certain events did and didn't happen? So much for the golden future if it's overwritten by Tri or made an alternate timeline, there might even have to be a Digimon Adventure Quatro. I think we will see the 02 kids soon or later but until then we're in the dark like the Mojave BOS.
I believe before they released the first movie, the original ending was canon, though I may be wrong on this one. Maybe, or the ending could have a lot of changes to it. I see Mimi being a fashion designer and Sora working on a cooking show and maybe in botany. I still see Yamato being an international rockstar kinda like Motley Crue. Just without the drug abuse even though I don't think Heavy metal would be his thing. The original ending maybe canon due to 02, but Tri could change that.

I doubt it. They foreshadowed Sora's future career in the second movie. She designed the cheerleader uniforms for Mimi and Meiko. Also, Tri is confirmed to be a build up to the epilogue. Maybe they'll add a pairing or two, but i don't epxect much to change anything major. Yeah, you're right. I guess a pairing or so would cut even or small change could occur like in the way the human world sees Digimon. I still don't think everyone will have a Digimon partner but things would be relatively gray.

Paruseruru mafubu
03-16-2016, 11:32 PM
I always felt Sora was the heart of the group, the glue that kept them together. She's always been seen as a minor player in a support role but she is always the one carrying the others, whether the tension between Taichi and Yamato and her designing the uniforms in the second movie.

I personally can't wait to see real character development in the future film and the focus being on her, we've had so few episodes with her in the forefront. She's always been my favorite human character so it is long overdue I think.

Bomaye_Chaos
03-17-2016, 02:38 AM
I always felt Sora was the heart of the group, the glue that kept them together. She's always been seen as a minor player in a support role but she is always the one carrying the others, whether the tension between Taichi and Yamato and her designing the uniforms in the second movie.

I personally can't wait to see real character development in the future film and the focus being on her, we've had so few episodes with her in the forefront. She's always been my favorite human character so it is long overdue I think.

Yea, i hope she gets an arc that isn't just about her relationship with Yamato. She deserves her own proper story.

RestInPain
03-17-2016, 05:15 AM
I always felt Sora was the heart of the group, the glue that kept them together. She's always been seen as a minor player in a support role but she is always the one carrying the others, whether the tension between Taichi and Yamato and her designing the uniforms in the second movie.

I personally can't wait to see real character development in the future film and the focus being on her, we've had so few episodes with her in the forefront. She's always been my favorite human character so it is long overdue I think.

Yea, i hope she gets an arc that isn't just about her relationship with Yamato. She deserves her own proper story. I haven't seen them put too much emphasis on their relationship in Tri. I guess they're being quiet about it.

DigitalCorp
03-17-2016, 05:32 AM
Nah, nah, Sora's "torn between two lovers, feeling like a fool".

RestInPain
03-17-2016, 06:42 AM
Nah, nah, Sora's "torn between two lovers, feeling like a fool". Haahahaha. Ahh young love. I had that once but she kinda went between me and my friend and screwed us both over. Wonder where this will go between those two.

Vande
03-17-2016, 09:42 AM
The shipping stuff can go in the shipping thread.

Lhikan634
03-17-2016, 11:52 PM
Finally got to see this one, so now I can join in on the convo. Overall, I like the balance. The slice-of-life bit makes it feel real. These are real high schoolers with real life issues. That real life is being interrupted by these digital distortions, which they have to deal with amidst being students preparing to be adults. I'd hardly call it filler for not being a battle scene. There were a lot of plot elements, and we're seeing more of where our heroes are at this point in life.

Vikemon and Rosemon were nice to see (yay for Vikemon's being animated!). The prophecy seems to indicate that they have to deal with some sort of inner darkness, of course related to their crests because it's Adventure. Joe had to be sincere with himself (or, per dub ideas, accept the responsibility of his role as a DigiDestined as not being opposed to adult responsibility). Mimi just had to be herself, pretty much, and to stop beating herself up over who she is.

Everyone seemed to recognize this "Digimon Emperor" as being Ken. Including Maki… This episode really just seems to be introducing the plot around this. The DD's remembering him seems to negate the forgetfulness hypothesis. Though I guess since Savers used a MIB-esque amnesia device, this other organization could have access to something like that. I'm more interested in seeing what really was going on here.

Speaking of Maki, she obviously knows more than she's letting on about what's going on. That smirk seemed to be a bit… malignant. Something tells me that we'll find out more about that as well as her history as Daigo's ex. I suspect it had something to do with their fire/ice contraposition.

Meicoomon seems to be implied to be related to the infection, but we really don't know too much. I mean, when Leomon showed signs of being infected before the battle, why did he revert back afterwards? Was he even cured, or was he still infected? Meiku's digivice didn't just go black, but black and red. Plus, that symbol isn't something we normally see. That could have been an evo or an "awakening" of sorts. The X-imagery, the DNA, the black digivice… this seems to be implying something on the order of a genetic disorder or mutation. Interestingly, "mutation" was just what Leomon called it, wasn't it? If this isn't X-Antibody plot, it's a nice parallel to it.

Angemon_1
03-18-2016, 06:11 AM
An interesting review of the 2nd film. http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/digimon/253868/digimon-adventure-tri-determination-review
While the reviewer was very negative, I can not deny that they bring up a lot of points I agree with. The poor animation and Mei's characterisation were particularly poor.

CloneWarrior
03-18-2016, 06:38 AM
An interesting review of the 2nd film. http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/digimon/253868/digimon-adventure-tri-determination-review
While the reviewer was very negative, I can not deny that they bring up a lot of points I agree with. The poor animation and Mei's characterisation were particularly poor.

I like how he claims that the bath house scenes - in which all of the girls were constantly 100% covered by their yukatas and all the guys were nearly naked - was apparently to make Meiko "fuckable."

...what?

RestInPain
03-18-2016, 01:32 PM
An interesting review of the 2nd film. http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/digimon/253868/digimon-adventure-tri-determination-review
While the reviewer was very negative, I can not deny that they bring up a lot of points I agree with. The poor animation and Mei's characterisation were particularly poor.

I like how he claims that the bath house scenes - in which all of the girls were constantly 100% covered by their yukatas and all the guys were nearly naked - was apparently to make Meiko "fuckable."

...what? Right about now is the time where I'd want Major Katsuragi from Evangelion to do the ending credits to Digimon Tri and say "And expect some (high pitch voice) fanservice!". I really hope they don't do that to Confession. It'd ruin the mood.

flintlock
03-18-2016, 02:44 PM
Did I ever rub it in everyone's face that the Digimon Kaiser wasn't Taichi? Because I really feel like I didn't do that enough. :P I just remembered the shitstorm that happened in the trailer threads about it and it made me laugh.


An interesting review of the 2nd film. http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/digimon/253868/digimon-adventure-tri-determination-review
While the reviewer was very negative, I can not deny that they bring up a lot of points I agree with. The poor animation and Mei's characterisation were particularly poor.



This movie is garbage. It sinks Digimon to the new low standards of the anime industry


If you’re a hardcore Digimon fan, you’ve probably already watched this. I’m so sorry. I wish I could get my two hours back. This film just pissed away all the good will the first movie earned. Movie 3 better figure itself out quickly or Digimon is doomed to fade away into obscurity. Again

This is terrible for so many reasons I don't even know where to begin. It's all so hyperbolic and full of shitty buzzword like ways of talking about everything. These closing sentence is probably the best example. I've seen a lot flaws brought up on this forum (hell, some by myself) but it was done so much more reasonably. There are things that just are terrible points too. Also using dub names...ack it's so bad.

C-MC
03-18-2016, 03:15 PM
Did I ever rub it in everyone's face that the Digimon Kaiser wasn't Taichi? Because I really feel like I didn't do that enough. :P I just remembered the shitstorm that happened in the trailer threads about it and it made me laugh.


An interesting review of the 2nd film. http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/digimon/253868/digimon-adventure-tri-determination-review
While the reviewer was very negative, I can not deny that they bring up a lot of points I agree with. The poor animation and Mei's characterisation were particularly poor.



This movie is garbage. It sinks Digimon to the new low standards of the anime industry


If you’re a hardcore Digimon fan, you’ve probably already watched this. I’m so sorry. I wish I could get my two hours back. This film just pissed away all the good will the first movie earned. Movie 3 better figure itself out quickly or Digimon is doomed to fade away into obscurity. Again

This is terrible for so many reasons I don't even know where to begin. It's all so hyperbolic and full of shitty buzzword like ways of talking about everything. These closing sentence is probably the best example. I've seen a lot flaws brought up on this forum (hell, some by myself) but it was done so much more reasonably. There are things that just are terrible points too. Also using dub names...ack it's so bad.Those people who thought that the Kaiser was Taichi are just in season 2 denial. I always thought that it was either Daisuke or Ken from the beginning. And there we go it's Ken for sure

AquaVersus
03-18-2016, 04:49 PM
I admittedly get defensive when I read critical opinions of things I love (it's a weakness I'm working on), but that is simply a poorly written review. It ignores a good chunk of the film, and the reviewer flat-out lies (or rather exaggerates) about other parts. Wow.

MarcFBR
03-18-2016, 05:29 PM
Did I ever rub it in everyone's face that the Digimon Kaiser wasn't Taichi? Because I really feel like I didn't do that enough. :P I just remembered the shitstorm that happened in the trailer threads about it and it made me laugh.

You mean the character who was drawn like Taichi in a trailer scene? (And drawn differently from behind 2 seconds later?)

No, no you didn't.

And if you did I'd probably suspend you for being a jackass.

But feel free and try.




As for the review being shit. There are many shit reviews. I'd pretend to care but I just can't. I'm sure we can all appreciate that it apparently took him a week to write a low quality review though.

I'd be more bothered by a quality review that tore it apart, but I haven't seen that.

Lhikan634
03-18-2016, 06:11 PM
An interesting review of the 2nd film. http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/digimon/253868/digimon-adventure-tri-determination-review
While the reviewer was very negative, I can not deny that they bring up a lot of points I agree with. The poor animation and Mei's characterisation were particularly poor.

Looking at his other reviews, I'd be surprised if he ever gives anything higher than 2 stars these days. I mean, 0.5/5 stars (~10%) seems to indicate that the reviewer mainly had certain expectations and wasn't watching objectively. At least we can get a laugh at the use of the term "Digimon Emperior" that isn't even dub.

RestInPain
03-20-2016, 09:09 AM
Another big thing that kinda felt like it got really underdeveloped or really sudden was Leomon and his apparent fiery burning passionate love Meicoomon. To be honest it felt like it came out of the blue and I think it could've been done a little better in comparison to the way it's been done in the past.

TerriermonD3
03-20-2016, 09:55 AM
Rewatching Determination in movie form does make a difference - subtle beats on a character's arc are closer together so you see the character develop more smoothly. The story flows better, even if the pacing is still slow and uneven during some slice of life parts.

I love that Mimi basically wore a 2005 version of her Adventure outfit - pink cowboy hat, pink dress. I also like that the song she sang in the bath house was the same song she sang to the Geckomon. If people forgot about that reference, they might still recognize it as the ED from the first Tri movie so the callback still works on some level. It's pretty smart and a nice nod.

I didn't mind the bath house scenes. It reminded me of the bath house towards the end of the Devimon arc, which was notorious for being censored in the dub. I like that the men were the fanservice for a change. I thought it was great, and very likely intentional, that Gomamon was hanging out with the girls in the locker room. Gomamon ended up on the girls' side in the Devimon arc bath house and the girls (Palmon, specifically) threw him out. Here, they've all grown up and are more mature around each other. The girls don't mind Gomamon is hanging out with them, even though there's no reason he couldn't be with the guys. There's an implied sense of trust and growth from Adventure.

I was pretty disappointed in the Vikemon and Rosemon reveals. Part of it is that I've been waiting 15 years for this moment, part of it is the misleading promotional materials that made it seem like they would be a much larger part of the movie, and part of it was just the general simplicity of the evolution sequences. I don't mind them sticking to one aesthetic with the "Our War Game"-like background, but the characters simply face forward or (in Lillymon's case) to the side. These perspectives aren't engaging or dynamic, they're static and boring. That's just a bad artistic choice, objectively. A slanted or 3/4th perspective would have been much more exciting. And those finishing poses hide the silhouette and body by crumpling the character into a ball. These are just poor artistic choices.

I said this in another forum, but ultimately I'm willing to look past Tri's flaws because it gives an adult anime fan like me something I've never seen before - taking characters I grew up with and placing them in an older context. It's really exciting to see your childhood heroes deal with similar growing pains that you, as an adult, are all too familiar with. Usually our childhood heroes remain frozen in time, or we give them an ambiguously happy ending in our heads, but to see them grow up is a real treat.

AquaVersus
03-20-2016, 03:03 PM
I like the Vikemon and Rosemon evolutions. The close-ups of the rings passing over the encoded bodies really does it for me.

And I didn't know people took so many issues with Lillymon's profile during the evolution sequence. This isn't the first time I've heard that complaint (unless you posted the same thing on Rangerboard?). She emerges from the flower, we see her from the side -- it's simple and refined, while still retaining a hint of the old evolution sequence.

Inpu
03-21-2016, 05:02 PM
The theme of the evolution has always been cool, but the actual animation of Lillymon was just...bad. She has a leg somehow coming out of her wing, and some other goofs.

AquaVersus
03-21-2016, 09:35 PM
The theme of the evolution has always been cool, but the actual animation of Lillymon was just...bad. She has a leg somehow coming out of her wing, and some other goofs.

Oh, the final pose at the end definitely has some messed up anatomy issues (the leg is glaringly obvious), but I'm pretty sure that's a character model/still frame/drawing issue, not an animation issue.

Anatomy problems are something most people can see and be objective about, but I was responding to the notion that the angles are not exciting. I was very excited by Lillymon's evolution sequence.

TerriermonD3
03-22-2016, 08:38 AM
There are objectively good and bad angles for capturing a shot. There's a reason movies aren't all shot in profile in a 2D perspective. The start of the Ultimate and Mega evolutions have the characters facing the screen in a 2D flat image. This isn't exciting. Lillymon's sequence had a dematerializing flower, so that added some excitement - but Zudomon and Vikemon's scenes are static at the start. During the rest of the sequence there's some movement as the yellow circles surround parts of the body, but these perspectives are too close to really get a sense of what's happening. It's messy.

I criticize because I care. I like Tri overall, I just wish I liked the evolution sequences more. The character stories are, for the most part, wonderful and enjoyable.

AquaVersus
03-22-2016, 09:04 PM
You are free to criticize and dislike the evolution sequences and you are clearly not the only one who feels that way :) but I'm not sure it's as objective as you say it is. You say "this isn't exciting" but your only reasoning for "this isn't exciting" seems to be "I was not excited by this shot or angle." I, on the other hand, appreciated the simplicity they seem to be going for.

You also say that the perspectives of the yellow circles/rings surrounding the body are too close to really get a sense of what's happening and that it's messy, but those are my favorite parts of the new evolution sequences.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it takes all kinds. Maybe I'm just easy to please, or maybe I have low standards. Who knows.

VinceSM
03-23-2016, 10:04 AM
Movie was awesome, it was amazing seeing Gomamon and Palmon go to the ultimate level. Mimi and Meiko are a perfect match and loved Meicoomon and the returning Leomon can't wait for Confession.

RestInPain
03-24-2016, 05:13 AM
One thing I wonder. How come all of the other Digidestined's Digimon didn't go mega earlier in like the first Adventure or 02?

breaker335
03-24-2016, 03:07 PM
One thing I wonder. How come all of the other Digidestined's Digimon didn't go mega earlier in like the first Adventure or 02?
They didn't have the necessary requirements, at least that's the impression I got with that new prophecy.

TMS
03-24-2016, 03:16 PM
I'm not sure we should really call that anonymous email a prophecy yet.

Unknown Neo
03-24-2016, 04:10 PM
Of course. Much like with the crests, they need to right thing to start it. Like a boost or something. Seemed pretty obvious. Maybe if they were all shot with arrows in Adventure 1 they would.

Kotekuma
03-24-2016, 04:32 PM
Didn't Izzy at some point wondered if the email was a prophecy? If he had suspicion about it then it's fair for us to consider it. But for sure it still isn't confirmed.

MarcFBR
03-25-2016, 09:12 PM
No more linking to random reviews please.

Dozens and dozens of sites have their own reviews, we discussed one or two and moved on, it isn't necessary to link anymore. If people want reviews outside of our discussion of part 2, it isn't hard to find them.

flintlock
03-28-2016, 04:17 PM
You are free to criticize and dislike the evolution sequences and you are clearly not the only one who feels that way :) but I'm not sure it's as objective as you say it is. You say "this isn't exciting" but your only reasoning for "this isn't exciting" seems to be "I was not excited by this shot or angle." I, on the other hand, appreciated the simplicity they seem to be going for.

You also say that the perspectives of the yellow circles/rings surrounding the body are too close to really get a sense of what's happening and that it's messy, but those are my favorite parts of the new evolution sequences.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it takes all kinds. Maybe I'm just easy to please, or maybe I have low standards. Who knows.

It's not even just animation which affects people's opinions and perceptions of the evolution scenes. On another forum I go to somebody else actually cried during the evolution scenes, because he was affected so much by Jou's story. Evolution scenes are kind of the visualizing of the climax of the character development so it's always fun to watch. I hate a few evolutions in Tamers but it still doesn't stop me from enjoying it. And rewatching Digimon has so much dated animation and it rarely stops me from enjoying it.

My expectations were really low after Reunion because of how wonky the ragdolls were, and even though I thought they were really weird I still enjoyed it. My expectations were always low because Toei was the one animating this and I hated a few of their new anime, Sailor Moon Crystal and Dragonball Super. The animation style of the Digimon is so fun to see and I was very surprised at how good they look even if they do go off model. That's what I loved about the new evolutions. Also the sound effects, fancy internet visualization background and new Brave Heart were amazing. And I also teared up because I loved Jou's story.


I'm not sure we should really call that anonymous email a prophecy yet.

Sonsidering the next movie is about Koushiro and Takeru...I hope we know more about everything. (Get it? I'm so sorry...lol) But seriously if it focuses on Koushiro after such a cliffhanger I'm almost positive he will be trying to figure out WTF is going on. He always has been curious and on the technical side of things even when he's not the focus...or anybody is even listening to him.

Sideways
04-01-2016, 03:43 PM
Dragged out high school drama for an hour plus followed by 5 minutes where something actually happens. It's a good 5 minutes but my word was it hard to get through the rest.

Also Ken. Terrible story telling.

Hopefully it picks up.

Sabrblade
04-01-2016, 09:15 PM
Dragged out high school drama for an hour plus followed by 5 minutes where something actually happens. It's a good 5 minutes but my word was it hard to get through the rest.So, proper character focus and development doesn't count as something that "actually happens"?

CoDL
04-01-2016, 09:26 PM
Dragged out high school drama for an hour plus followed by 5 minutes where something actually happens. It's a good 5 minutes but my word was it hard to get through the rest.So, proper character focus and development doesn't count as something that "actually happens"?

I think Sideways is saying that it feels like it's too much about the humans and not enough about the digimon. It's been that way for just about every series but with tri it just seems even more unbalanced. I absolutely love the character arcs but the digimon could be woven in more throughout

DigitalCorp
04-02-2016, 08:18 PM
We are here to see Digimon Adventure Tri, not Degrassi: Odaiba.

Digitalguy
04-04-2016, 11:13 AM
There's not much of an adventure going on currently :p

CloneWarrior
04-04-2016, 11:48 AM
We are here to see Digimon Adventure Tri, not Degrassi: Odaiba.

Are you saying that tri. is a teen soap opera about dealing with sex, teen pregnancy, drug abuse and domestic violence?

DigitalCorp
04-06-2016, 04:55 AM
Not necessarily. I'm saying there's not enough of an adventure going on.

RestInPain
04-06-2016, 06:07 AM
We are here to see Digimon Adventure Tri, not Degrassi: Odaiba.

Are you saying that tri. is a teen soap opera about dealing with sex, teen pregnancy, drug abuse and domestic violence? Hahahahaha. That'd be hilarious when I thought about it. But after the ending of episode 2 I'm pretty were about to see an adventure arise. After what happened with Meicoomon it'd likely lead them back into the digital world or it will bring them into the worst place known to man.......the internet.

Imperial
04-06-2016, 08:56 AM
Humorous answer
Dealing with sex - Sort of. Hormones definitely. Taichi, Yamato, Mimi, Koushiro, and Sora are in the thick of it. And in a weird sort of way Leomon and Meicoomon as well.
Teen Pregnancy - :(
Drug Abuse - Infected Digimon. Not sure what kind of drugs it is yet, but it's getting around. It's only a matter of time before the digidestined give into peer pressure and try it for themselves.
Domestic Violence - Leomon and Meicoomon. Because of the drugs Meicoomon has struck down her love interest.

Mischief_Managed
04-06-2016, 12:08 PM
And in a weird sort of way Leomon and Meicoomon as well.


They're literally both Adults so it's ok eheh

By the way, in that scene when Leomon's heart is bumping on his chest have you seen the annoyed look in Piyomon's face ? Made me laugh xD

RestInPain
04-06-2016, 01:26 PM
Humorous answer
Dealing with sex - Sort of. Hormones definitely. Taichi, Yamato, Mimi, Koushiro, and Sora are in the thick of it. And in a weird sort of way Leomon and Meicoomon as well.
Teen Pregnancy - :(
Drug Abuse - Infected Digimon. Not sure what kind of drugs it is yet, but it's getting around. It's only a matter of time before the digidestined give into peer pressure and try it for themselves.
Domestic Violence - Leomon and Meicoomon. Because of the drugs Meicoomon has struck down her love interest. Maybe it's Krokodil. Nahh they'd be zombies. Maybe it's a digital drug called digital crank. Lol This is kinda messed up. Poor Leomon, it wasn't meant to last.

MarcFBR
04-06-2016, 02:34 PM
Back on topic you guys.

B-mon
04-10-2016, 02:53 PM
Finally sat down with it. Hmm.

Nothing I could say could properly express what Kouji Wada has done for this series, but I loved the new "Seven" and was immediately brought back to its use when the kids were building their raft to leave File Island for Server.

I don't think the film was paced all that well. At least, in regards to the final moments of the final part anyway. My problems with Reunion, mainly Taichi's reasoning for holding back, didn't rise up again with Mimi and Joe, but that allowed for new concerns, such as the almost completely unearned Ultimate Evolution sequences. That was it? A pep talk from Hikari about togetherness? I know we still have four more films, but we spent an inordinate amount of time with the festival, or exposition, that the battle just feels tacked on. And that isn't to say I'm not liking the slice-of-life; far from it. But, nothing's adding up to a whole; we just really have a bunch of nice, individual scenes and then a quick reminder that this is a Digimon show and we need a big battle. As an audience member, it feels like an afterthought. I would honestly rather watch the Digimon partners eat an entire meal and shoot the shit(no sarcasm here; this stuff is gold) then to have the staff half-ass the plot portion. It echoes what I didn't care for about Frontier; the character interaction and focus was great, but then it's attempted to be applied to a storyline and the momentum breaks because we need to see all these evolutions and lasers getting fired. Again, I'm not against any of this stuff, but it hasn't found a balance.

The drama surrounding Joe's and Mimi's arcs were fantastic, in no small part thanks to the actors. The performances are selling what the film's overall tone can't. I'm not entirely convinced Masami Kikuchi couldn't have had a heartbreaking argument with Junko Takeuchi, but Junya Ikeda holds his own. I really like that Meicoomon basically sounds like a cat that's learned to speak; she's very cute. I'm ultimately not super invested in Meiko yet, still, but she isn't getting more screentime than anyone else that I can handle it. I enjoyed seeing a little more out of Himekawa as well. I really wish all these great bits and pieces made something cohesive...

I know I just got done lambasting the final fight, but that was more over its role in the story as this barely cobbled-together moment. The animation itself, I did not hate, and actually dug Imperialdramon a lot. Dragon Mode moved more than I think it's ever moved in any piece of media ever; watch Zero Two enough times and you'd think it was just completely immobile, but nope, his legs can all move! Another part I never really gave much thought about until this: its tail. Imperialdramon has a gigantic dragon tail. I mean, I knew it was there, but here it actually moves and gets in the way and stuff. Cool. Little things like that make the world feel more immersive.

I don't know what to make of the Kaiser. I think they're being coy about it. Nobody actually uses the word "Kaiser" and he doesn't have any lines(Romi Park too expensive for a couple of grunts?); it's gotta be some type of artificial clone made from Ken's passed out body to control Imperialdramon, or something. Nanomon attempted to clone Sora so he could have full control of the Crest of Love, but we never actually see that come close to fruition; maybe the staff is borrowing that idea? Whatever is going on, I just really doubt that it's the actual Ken. Maybe I just don't want it to be because it feels so been-there-done-that. It would also qualify as more fanservice in that Ken is everybody's favorite/least-hated part of Zero Two.

Uhm, Himekawa's smile at the end. Baseless prediction: She's actually Archnemon. Haha, I think I'd lose it if that were true.

Grimmon
04-15-2016, 02:14 AM
My problems with Reunion, mainly Taichi's reasoning for holding back, didn't rise up again with Mimi and Joe, but that allowed for new concerns, such as the almost completely unearned Ultimate Evolution sequences. That was it? A pep talk from Hikari about togetherness?

This has been brought up time and again. I do not think it is really something superfluous. Much like in the original series, the characters having a personal/emotional/whatever breakthrough triggered the digimon evolution back then, and it did so again in this film. But it certainly felt a lot like "whatever, let's get on with it" in terms of how it was represented in the context of the movie. It was not treated as some kind of highlight or crucial aspect of the film, both in terms of animation and in terms of momentum.

On the other hand, the way digimon evolve in Tri does feel too easy compared to the original series in general, but that may just be some kind of retcon? I don't think it has particularly hurt Tri or something.

Panax
04-17-2016, 07:48 PM
I feel like the Ultimate to Mega evolution is paying homage to the gravity of the original prophecy that brought about War-Greymon and Metal-Garurumon. The new Mega evo is more of a power-up, in the way going from champion to ultimate was in Adventure 1. Warp evo seems more like a divine occurrence as a result of further manifesting traits of the crests (Courage and Friendship) vs. understanding a character flaw, which is the catalyst for Mega evo in Tri.....Maybe there will be new ultimate to mega evos for Metal-Greymon and Were-Garurumon, aside from warping.

TMS
04-17-2016, 09:46 PM
Well, actually, we already saw MetalGreymon and WereGarurumon evolve to Ultimate in the first part.

Tetra Seleno
04-19-2016, 07:47 AM
Finally got to see Determination. Lots of really great ideas / analysis / speculation have been mentioned already by other posters in this thread, so I'll try to be brief.

Overall I really liked it. Loved how the movie handled Mimi and Jou's characters. I feel like they were treated with considerable care, and given conflicts that were logical extensions of their character arcs in the original series. As such, I really appreciated the nod to Mimi's pacifist tendencies during the Ogremon fight when she tells Meiko that she's going to push him back through the distortion. And I liked seeing the movie play with the running gag from Our War Game and Diablomon Strikes Back that "Jou always misses the action because he's studying, hurr hurr" by showing how that decision torments Jou. Seeing Vikemon and Rosemon at the end made me smile.

I was pleased to see that the conflict between Taichi and Yamato was not dropped completely when they moved to more supporting roles this film. I hope that it will continue to remain in the background in future segments that focus on the other Children. And I love the running gag that Koushiro's fashion sense is just terrible.

I'm looking forward to Confession, especially how the Koushiro and Takeru storylines will intersect. Mimi and Jou weren't in opposition to each other like Taichi and Yamato were, but they did act as foils in this film. Intrigued by how, or if, those films will juxtapose the leads in Confession.

flintlock
04-21-2016, 12:30 PM
A lot of pages back TMS and someone else and I were talking about Meicoomon maybe having a type of anxiety disorder when he became anxious when he was separated from Meiko. I just realized if you want to give it a name you could say he has separation anxiety. My friend's dog used to have it, it was horrible. I forgot there was an actual name for it.

RestInPain
04-26-2016, 12:16 PM
I'm wondering why we never saw much from Yamato's band. Were they really that bad that they only gave them 4 seconds of screen time?

Theigno
04-26-2016, 12:30 PM
I'm wondering why we never saw much from Yamato's band. Were they really that bad that they only gave them 4 seconds of screen time?
maybe because it's a bit too much effort to actually compose and arrange an actual song for them to play just for two scenes. the only reason why we see the teenage wolves for a bit longer in 02 is because they were just playing yamato's 02 character song that had already been released at that time. And what would more screen time for the band add to the story anyway? they are not important, they are just yamato's hobby and part 2 didn't even give yamato himself much focus so it's not like it would really fit.

Unknown Neo
04-26-2016, 04:15 PM
I'm wondering why we never saw much from Yamato's band. Were they really that bad that they only gave them 4 seconds of screen time?
They do keep changing their name. Maybe that's why. Who do they think they are? MouseRat?

DigitalCorp
04-26-2016, 07:35 PM
Makes me wonder what we'll be hearing from them in the dub. Maybe a remix of "I Turn Around"?

Sabrblade
04-26-2016, 09:10 PM
Makes me wonder what we'll be hearing from them in the dub. Maybe a remix of "I Turn Around"?They haven't really sung anything yet in tri., have they?

MarcFBR
04-27-2016, 12:24 PM
Removed a post.

One and two word posts that don't have anything aren't necessary to make.

RestInPain
04-29-2016, 04:58 PM
I'm wondering why we never saw much from Yamato's band. Were they really that bad that they only gave them 4 seconds of screen time?
maybe because it's a bit too much effort to actually compose and arrange an actual song for them to play just for two scenes. the only reason why we see the teenage wolves for a bit longer in 02 is because they were just playing yamato's 02 character song that had already been released at that time. And what would more screen time for the band add to the story anyway? they are not important, they are just yamato's hobby and part 2 didn't even give yamato himself much focus so it's not like it would really fit. Makes sense. So what genre are they? Like a soft rock band? Pop punk or?

Unknown Neo
04-30-2016, 05:07 PM
I'm going to guess J-Rock. Though with names like he gave, It wouldn't be surprised if it was harder. But I'm almost sure it'd be Boy band-y J-Pop or J-Rock. Like an anime theme song band of Rock.

breaker335
04-30-2016, 05:15 PM
I'm going to guess J-Rock. Though with names like he gave, It wouldn't be surprised if it was harder. But I'm almost sure it'd be Boy band-y J-Pop or J-Rock. Like an anime theme song band of Rock.
Why do I get the feeling his band will play Butterfly at some point? Like the finale.

Unknown Neo
05-01-2016, 01:26 PM
That actually sounds like an idea they would do. I might if I was them.

RestInPain
05-01-2016, 04:16 PM
I'm going to guess J-Rock. Though with names like he gave, It wouldn't be surprised if it was harder. But I'm almost sure it'd be Boy band-y J-Pop or J-Rock. Like an anime theme song band of Rock. Ewww. Yamato himself maybe cool. But genre was boy band-y stuff makes me cringe, J-rock is okay. And they might play butterfly at the end. But honestly it'd be too expected. They need to try something different there. An original song that comes from the heart, or his previous night experience tripping on Acid. But then again. What does being in a band have to do with being an astronaut? The fact he has dreams?

TMS
05-01-2016, 05:27 PM
Being in a band has nothing to do with being an astronaut. Most people who play in bands when they're young don't make a career out of it (though they don't tend to become astronauts either).

RestInPain
05-01-2016, 06:39 PM
Being in a band has nothing to do with being an astronaut. Most people who play in bands when they're young don't make a career out of it (though they don't tend to become astronauts either). I think I could do it. I like to travel and go to different places. Better than being stuck in the bonnies in NC. And depending on where you are or who you're talking to. Free drinks! Or at least at a discount. But I was wondering what Yamato's vocal range is as well.

maskedermine
05-08-2016, 01:23 PM
Being in a band has nothing to do with being an astronaut. Most people who play in bands when they're young don't make a career out of it (though they don't tend to become astronauts either).

Well, true...but at least one got his doctorate in astrophysics....

Queen's Brian May was getting his doctorate in astrophysics when Queen hit it big in the 70s, basically didn't finish his doctoral thesis and I think it was 2007 returned and finished his thesis titled A Survey of Radial Velocities in the Zodiacal Dust Cloud. Furthermore he was one of the collaborators on the recent New Horizons project that sent that probe to Pluto. So...it's not as far out as it seems....I mean he used his knowledge in physics and engineering to produce some of Queens' music.