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    Quote Originally Posted by Xadhoom View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by amozu16 View Post
    To be honest, Shakkoumon's the real appropriator here
    Even though Joe's Zudomon is about a decade late to the party?
    Well I mean technically when Vikemon was first introduced it was as a Jogress of both Zudomon and Shakkoumon, so I wouldn't call it late...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ukyouluvr View Post
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    To be honest, Shakkoumon's the real appropriator here
    Even though Joe's Zudomon is about a decade late to the party?
    Well I mean technically when Vikemon was first introduced it was as a Jogress of both Zudomon and Shakkoumon, so I wouldn't call it late...
    Really? Fascinating. That's actually the most reasonable explanation for Vikemon I've heard yet, I'll take it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ukyouluvr View Post
    Well I mean technically when Vikemon was first introduced it was as a Jogress of both Zudomon and Shakkoumon, so I wouldn't call it late...
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    Really? Fascinating. That's actually the most reasonable explanation for Vikemon I've heard yet, I'll take it
    Vikemon's debut game, Tag Tamers, treats it as evolving from Shakkoumon, with Zudomon at the most/closest playing the role of optional support. MagnaAngemon was treated the same way in the game - the player could evolve it from Angemon alone, or from Angemon and Ankylomon as a Jogress. Shakkoumon -> Vikemon is just a weird-ass sequence.

    The only time that specifically-Joe's-Gomamon/Zudomon was directly evolutionarily connected to Vikemon in its own right was a very long time after Shakkoumon, which was in the debut appearance of the mon - which is why, to reiterate, Shakkoumon cannot be called the 'appropriator' (insofar as there is or needs to be one) in this situation.

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    Ukyouluvr was referring to the D-3 toy, in which all of the Ultimates were a Jogress between one of the 02 kids' Digimon and one of the older kids' Digimon (the latter from Tag Tamers or D-1 Tamers).

    Paildramon + MetalGreymon = Imperialdramon
    DinoBeemon + AtlurKabuterimon = GranKuwagamon
    Sylphimon + Garudamon = Valkyrimon
    Angewomon + Lilimon = Holydramon
    Shakkoumon + Zudomon = Vikemon
    HolyAngemon + WereGarurumon = Seraphimon
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    Quote Originally Posted by amozu16 View Post

    Really? Fascinating. That's actually the most reasonable explanation for Vikemon I've heard yet, I'll take it
    Since Digimon is a multimedia franchise there are so many weird inconsistancies with evolution that nobody even remembers because it's been so long ago. In the D-3 HolyAngemon and Angewomon were Jogress Digimon too, like how DinoBeemon was an alternate Jogress of Stingmon and ExVmon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flintlock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by amozu16 View Post

    Really? Fascinating. That's actually the most reasonable explanation for Vikemon I've heard yet, I'll take it
    Since Digimon is a multimedia franchise there are so many weird inconsistancies with evolution that nobody even remembers because it's been so long ago. In the D-3 HolyAngemon and Angewomon were Jogress Digimon too, like how DinoBeemon was an alternate Jogress of Stingmon and ExVmon.
    The DinoBeemon I could understand (I view Paildramon as more a Veemon type Perfect level and DinoBeemon a more Wormmon type, which makes sense when you consider how the Wormmon is virtually nonexistent in Imperialdramon

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    I always took it as Paildramon, Silphymon, and Shakkoumon are the normal evolutions of XVmon, Aquilamon, and Ankylomon and Stingmon, Tailmon, and Angemon were essentially power sources to allow perfect evolution much like the powers of the crest were required in Adventure or the holy stone for Angemon that one time in 02

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    my problem with the "only jogress to power up one digimon so it can reach perfect" is that why do they keep stuff from the other partner? for me their is no difference between paildramon and omegamon in concept, Koushiro even name drops omegamon after paildramon appeared, he said something like "happened before" which was a callback to the movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfTartarus View Post
    my problem with the "only jogress to power up one digimon so it can reach perfect" is that why do they keep stuff from the other partner? for me their is no difference between paildramon and omegamon in concept, Koushiro even name drops omegamon after paildramon appeared, he said something like "happened before" which was a callback to the movie.
    This. Outside of a few obvious examples like Omegamon and Paildramon, most Jogress products don't bear a ton of design references to all of their base components, but the idea that one component is reduced to a power source for the other kinda takes the air out of the "Joint Progress" concept, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DontStopPataPata View Post
    I always took it as Paildramon, Silphymon, and Shakkoumon are the normal evolutions of XVmon, Aquilamon, and Ankylomon and Stingmon, Tailmon, and Angemon were essentially power sources to allow perfect evolution much like the powers of the crest were required in Adventure or the holy stone for Angemon that one time in 02

    My theory exactly


    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfTartarus View Post
    my problem with the "only jogress to power up one digimon so it can reach perfect" is that why do they keep stuff from the other partner? for me their is no difference between paildramon and omegamon in concept, Koushiro even name drops omegamon after paildramon appeared, he said something like "happened before" which was a callback to the movie.

    Because it the other Digimon's data mutates the original data. When the other digimon is supplying power to the base digimon, aspects of that digimon are left behind in the data, which is then used by the evolution algorithm.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfTartarus View Post
    my problem with the "only jogress to power up one digimon so it can reach perfect" is that why do they keep stuff from the other partner? for me their is no difference between paildramon and omegamon in concept, Koushiro even name drops omegamon after paildramon appeared, he said something like "happened before" which was a callback to the movie.

    This. Outside of a few obvious examples like Omegamon and Paildramon, most Jogress products don't bear a ton of design references to all of their base components, but the idea that one component is reduced to a power source for the other kinda takes the air out of the "Joint Progress" concept, IMO.

    Exactly, most don't reference all the base compenents for precisely that reason, some of them matter less. Also, it's less "Joint Progress" and more like giving someone a boost to help them reach the top.

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